David Goyer's Script Discussion

[Red]

Did you not read the ENTIRE post by Bishop2.

"I'm not sure if I'm allowed to share due to legal issues"

Your post ASKS HIM to SHARE!

Hahah, never fails.

If it's over PM's who's gonna know?

 

[wolfsfang]

If it's over PM's who's gonna know?

Everybody.

You asked on a normal thread for someone to PM it to you

 

[tamron]

In that TV Guide interview on the frontpage:

TVGuide.com: And are you still doing a remake of the fondly remembered Soylent Green?
Goyer: We're slowly moving on that. I've got a movie, Jumper, with [director] Doug Liman (Mr. and Mrs. Smith, the Bourne Identity films) based on a Steve Gould novel, and I've also written Ghost Rider, which is for the first quarter of 2007. It's an adaptation of a Marvel Comic with Nic Cage.

I thought MSJ said GR has nothing to do with Goyer's old script. So what's up with Goyer's comment? Or am I mistaken?

 

[FlameHead]

Wow. As far as we know, Goyers script was tossed and a whole new one was written. Perhaps some of the ideas were used but, I find it strange that Goyer is trying to take credit for the movie.

Hmm... interesting find. Perhaps MSJ can shed some light on it if he ever returns.

 

[xii22_loop]

well Goyer may have some bad spots on his resume, but he did Batman Begins, so he isn't that bad??

 

[FlameHead]

Not at all. I think Goyer is probably the most talented comic book writer out there right now. He definatly has talent. I just don't understand why he's taking credit for something that's not entirely, or very much at all, his.

 

[BIGGUN]

he could have also been misquoted too....he might have said "yeah i did a script a few years ago and they took some ideas from it" and TVGuide just went ahead and printed that it was all Goyer's.
unless MSJ, Sony, Columbia Pictures, Marvel are just outright lying Goyer had very little to do w/ the current script

 

[zer00]

Well from the sound of it some stuff of his still remains. Much in the same way I guess some stuff from Abrham's Superman script survived in SR but as only faint shadows of itself. And he could have been misquoted. He probably didn't mean it literally though.

 

[Retroman]

Maybe some of his ideas survived in MSJ's script?

 

[BIGGUN]

Maybe some of his ideas survived in MSJ's script?

yup...at least a few. namely the scene where GR melts the asphalt in the street and blows out windows as he roars past.
another scene that made it was the jail scene where Blaze frantically begs the guards to get him out of the cell from the other inmates. he struggles to keep GR from getting out and doing them some damage which in the Goyer script GR kills all of them.....

 

[Retroman]

yup...at least a few. namely the scene where GR melts the asphalt in the street and blows out windows as he roars past.
another scene that made it was the jail scene where Blaze frantically begs the guards to get him out of the cell from the other inmates. he struggles to keep GR from getting out and doing them some damage which in the Goyer script GR kills all of them.....

Thanks for that info, didn't know those were his ideas.

 

[FlameHead]

Me either. I couldn't finish reading all of Goyer's script as it just wasn't the Ghost Rider script I was waiting for. I love Goyer and all but, I sure am happy his script wasn't used.

I guess he'll have writting credits afterall, which really isn't a bad thing. Goyer is pretty hot property right now and could draw a few people to the flick.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

I liked Goyer's script. Especially in the scene he wrote where Ghost Rider punches through a guy's face. I say bring on the violence. Its going to be interesting to see how MSJ pulls this movie off with a PG13 type of rating.

 

[NDX]

I believe since Goyer wrote the original script, he'd get writing credits along the line. I still need to get through the Goyer's script. It was not that bad of a script, what I read, but I kept thinking Man-Thing with all the Native American references.

 

[str8raz0r]

I believe since Goyer wrote the original script, he'd get writing credits along the line. I still need to get through the Goyer's script. It was not that bad of a script, what I read, but I kept thinking Man-Thing with all the Native American references.

Now, if only Goyer could've written the actual Man-Thing movie!

It was charming 80's-style monster trash, but it wasn't Man-Thing...not by a long shot.

Back on track, however, I can certainly see where MSJ while looking over Goyer's script, could pluck out some of the cooler elements while making it his own. Do things certainly need to have the same context? Prolly not.

Hell, with some of the visual ideas used, I can certainly see where some ideas might seem "shared." I mean, GR driving so fast that windows shatter? It's an obvious money shot for the movie.

 

[BURNFOREVER]

Of course i respect all opinions, brothers of the board, but the Goyer´s GR script is really, really bad. He really doesn´t know nothing about the character.
MSJ´s is far better.
Lots of violence?
If the script does not bring justice to the Demon Cyclist, it´s useless.
MSJ´s script has Caretaker, Mephisto, Blackheart, Wallow and who knows anybody else from the comics. That´s enough or me. I have faith on him.
His vision of the character seems to be very cool.
Let´s wait!

 

[BIGGUN]

Goyer had some really cool ideas...but his characters sucked.
Blaze was ok...but his backstory was completely lost. no carny background, no Crash Simpson or even Barton Blaze, and he was a convict to boot! sorry but Blaze was never a con...he became wanted by the police because of what GR did but Blaze himself never went out of his way to break the law. he was written as a classic "good guy" who got himself in a really bad deal which he didnt deserve.
another bad aspect is "Ghost Blaze"...lord almighty did that idea suck! everytime GR spoke you would see Blaze's (Nic Cage's) face over the skull. horrible HORRIBLE idea. i went into more in that review that i did for MarvelMovie's site...i could go on and on heh
this would have been a pretty good action/horror film...if it wasnt called Ghost Rider.
from what MSJ told us it sounds like his movie will stick pretty close to the original story w/ a few changes. personally im far more excited for this version than Goyer's.

 

[Mr Nick]

another bad aspect is "Ghost Blaze"...lord almighty did that idea suck! everytime GR spoke you would see Blaze's (Nic Cage's) face over the skull. horrible HORRIBLE idea.

That would definitely have sucked.

 

[NDX]

another bad aspect is "Ghost Blaze"...lord almighty did that idea suck! everytime GR spoke you would see Blaze's (Nic Cage's) face over the skull. horrible HORRIBLE idea.

Maybe it's a good thing I haven't gotten around to finishing the script.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Looks to be a misquote.

 

[Hiruu]

Goyer f$#ked up Blade III, so he's step a notch down on that film for me, as he helmed what he wrote, so the blame has to lie squarely on him. BB was a very well written film, so he gained some credit back...but after Blade III...it takes more than one film to erase that "stinker" debt

 

[FlameHead]

Goyer f$#ked up Blade III, so he's step a notch down on that film for me, as he helmed what he wrote, so the blame has to lie squarely on him. BB was a very well written film, so he gained some credit back...but after Blade III...it takes more than one film to erase that "stinker" debt

I'm not sure it was the writting of the film that was the problem. Goyers script was not horrible for Blade III. The problem came when they decided to give him director reigns and we can all easily tell now that that was a huge mistake. As a writer, he's brilliant. As a director, he's just a nob. I mean, Noob.

 

[Mr Nick]

And Dracula was rubbish too. He looked like a bouncer.

 

[NDX]

Dracula was poorly designed, and as much as I like that actor (name escapes me), he was not right for the role. Just came off as very awkward throughout the whole film.

 

[antariksh]

http://www.latinoreview.com/news.php?id=699

DAREDEVIL 2 might happen.

SORRY i posted here!!

there is no daredevil board here so i thought since msg did daredevil some of u might be interested.