Mjölnir;26810161 said:
From what the movie tells us he does it to prevent having to sit down with people and tell them that they were under press and think they saw something that's impossible. We were directly shown that when he was caught the first time it didn't even make Smallville people believe it.
Am I to assume you think this movie wants us to think that the literal consequence to clark revealing himself before the age of 33 will be jon having to sit down and tell people otherwise? Also, that all that stuff he said in the barn(his character motivation) was just jon making jokes about his fears? This implies you need things spelled out for you I think.
They quelled that first lady who had no proof other than the word of her young son. The same couldn't be said for Jon's ability to do the same for the entire town.
The lady says that it's an act of God, that it's providence. Are you trying to tell me that she thinks an act of God that saved her child is a negative thing? Come on. The reason she's not happy in the scene is because the Kents are denying it and she's arguing with them.
She didn't look to happy but you are right I suppose, she wasn't under the impression that her son's life being saved was much of a downer. That being said, her response was very much a negative response as far as Jon's perspective is concerned.
Again see his speech in the barn:
"People are afraid of what they don't understand."
From the xmen to jesus. It happens.
More than that, she also says that it's not the first time Clark has done something like this. That means that it's happened over and over and still not a thing comes out of it. That's despite that they are in a fairly religious country, which means people are more willing to take to things without facts.
I don't recall what she said about that. I mean if they are talking about stuff like clark's younger school days than it proves nothing but that he's an odd kid. If he was running around saving people as a kid, that's a whole other can of worms.
Except for the time where he did. He tells Clark that he shouldn't have done it (saved the kids on the bus) and when Clark asks if he should just have let them die his father answers "maybe". That's a messed up thing to tell your child. No wonder he has issues.
That's actually you taking away what you want from the dialogue. Which is fair, it's not a simple movie.
Jon said "maybe". He also told the boy that he is perhaps analogous to the son of god and perhaps he was put here for a greater reason, more important to the survival of everything and everyone. He told him this as he showed him the non terrestrial baby carriage/basket from the heavens clark arrived in. Safe to say he didn't simply tell clark not to save lives. I do recall him telling clark to be more careful with his secret though.
It's funny how you're referencing other movies and shows in this discussion, when I started this by saying that I'm not taking other versions into account of why I don't like it.
It's not so funny cause I was in fact referencing the superman mythology. I specifically pointed to how Jon Kent has been portrayed in his past incarnations. Whether you care about other movies or not, the mythology of the material seems significant to the discussion.
We disagree here. I think the Kents made him into a good and humble person and I think Jor-El made him into a hero. He never actively sought to help people until Jor-El told him to, and that is what Superman is.
If that was the case than why did Lois threaten Clark by telling him that he won't be able to hide as long as people are in danger? This implies that the "hero" in clark is prominent long before jor el.
I am curious what you mean by "sought to help people"? I've always seen superman saving lives as reactionary.
On the Peter Parker issue he's told that he has a responsibility to help people if he can. Very different from what Clark is told here.
You're right, Peter does need to be told that, which is very different from young clark. That being said, it says alot of about Peter's character that he would listen, especially to the self sacrificing level he seems to do so on a daily basis. Ergo why I suggest he was raised by his parents to be this person.
