Days of Future Past Days of Future Past News and Discussion - Part 2

[psylockolussus]

People will come up with any reason that a reboot should happen. Daniel Craig is younger than Hugh Jackman but he looks way older than Hugh Jackman.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

And who is Fox going to make these films with in 2030? 50 year old Anna Paquin? 70 year old Halle Berry and Famke Janssen? The corpses of Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen? Because Fox has already demonstrated an unwillingness to go with lesser known actors and characters, while pursuing this run of the franchise.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

I can show you many Instances where First Class was touted as part of exsisting series.

Since you hate the exsisting X-men film series so much there are other boards on SHH to keep you the antiX-Men films,antifox message.

So now you care about what mark Millar says when he said The Wolverine which takes place after X-Men trilogy Is being viewed as The Iron Man of X-Men/FF Shared universe.

Back In 2009 Fox could have killed any followup to Origins and made First Class a reboot with an entire new team.They didn't.They certinly In a matter of months aren't going to announce a reboot.

Fox at some point will If they don't go the recasting route go the reboot road but they certinly aren't doing It immedetly.If there was why bother trying to correct things as Bryan Singer has said.If Fox was In hurry to reboot we wouldn't be getting Days of future Past In first place.Studios don't care about giving film series one last huhhuru they just reboot.

I guess you will be calling Star Wars Prequels,Die Another Day,and Spider-Man 3 bombs too.Since all of those had people on Interbet complaning too.

I will say It again.Days of future past Isn't In Production yet and you are spending most of time on X_Men Days of future past board pushing for reboot?

Okay.

Since you'd rather make efforts to censor my communications here rather than simply focus on the discussion, let's take it there (since you wanna go so badly):

Do you work for FOX? I am serious...are you employed by them? I have to ask this because you type like a classic shill. Here's a revelation for you, as my fellow X-Mates here will testify to: At one point on this board (long before your ass arrived) I was often accused of being a FOX plant because I praised everything that came from this studio. I even posted these uber-optimistic "50 Things Going Right" threads to boost moral around here before I saw the outcomes. So that being said, please back the hell up: I've never said I "hate" the existing X-Men Film series. Ever. Nor am I anti-anything except anti-s***.

I have an enlightened perspective on this subject because I've been able to observe things for quite some time. That enlightenment hasn't come from me being smarter than anyone here--it's based on several years worth of watching history develop with CBMs produced by various studios. As a result, I'm not quick to jump on any bandwagon at this point and I can analyze things without rose-colored glasses I used to wear. I'm entitled to express my observations freely, whenever and however I choose to within Hype Guidelines. Now, if you can't handle it, then you some options: you can either block my postings here, ignore them, or engage them.

Honestly, I couldn't give a damn which you choose to do at this point, since I'm not posting them for your approval anyway.

 

[BMM]

Agreed. I believe the only way out of the convoluted continuity/timeline messes they've already made is to start over. Not doing so actually handicaps their own franchise's growth in terms of character development--and the relationships between the characters themselves. For example, we'll never really see the true familial dynamic that existed between Angel, Beast, Jean, Cyclops and Ice Man on film because 2 of those 5 are "dead", and another two (Angel and Ice Man) weren't even sexually thought of yet according to the current film's time-line. Some creative liberties are fine to get something off the ground, but now that it is...well, in the end, we all are cheated out of some rich story-telling and I think FOX is getting the point of this now.

I don't think the only way out is a complete reboot immediately after Days of Future Past, but I have no doubt they are going to reboot or retool some elements of the franchise. That said, I do think Fox will reboot the franchise within 10 years of Days of Future Past and not 15 or 20. I just cannot imagine the current run going beyond that.

 

[BMM]

People will come up with any reason that a reboot should happen.

And, evidently, to justify the franchise continuing for another quarter of a century.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Hugh Jackman still looks good for his age.

Plus with the technology today, they could just make Hugh Jackman look younger just like what they did to Ian/Patrick in X3.

Whhaaaaaa? Why on God's green earth would they do that? Hugh is a good Wolverine but...damn...he's not the only actor out there that can play the role. Trust me when I say this: We will never see an Prime Indiana Jones take on Logan. Ever.

 

[psylockolussus]

Whhaaaaaa? Why on God's green earth would they do that? Hugh is a good Wolverine but...damn...he's not the only actor out there that can play the role. Trust me when I say this: We will never see an Prime Indiana Jones take on Logan. Ever.

I'm not saying that they should CGI his face so he would look younger but they could, just so people would stop saying he looks really old to play Wolverine. And I'm not saying that Hugh Jackman is the only actor that play the role but FOX isn't a hurry for a reboot. Fans like you are just demanding for a reboot because you want these films to be closer in the comics, but its not happening anytime soon. With the release of DOFP, it will just rejuvenate the series and it will definitely encourage FOX to continue the series.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

I don't think the only way out is a complete reboot immediately after Days of Future Past, but I have no doubt they are going to reboot or retool some elements of the franchise. That said, I do think Fox will reboot the franchise within 10 years of Days of Future Past and not 15 or 20. I just cannot imagine the current run going beyond that.

This. I couldn't agree more. The last FF film dropped in 2007 and we'll have a new one with that 8 year time frame.

One minor point I want to mention is that it's very, very possible that one of Days Of Future Past's main objectives is to simply "Fix s***" as Bryan said. A bridge of sorts...

For example: let's say for a moment that "Fixing s***" includes bringing back Scott (and/or Jean). Bryan's already figuring out some way to resurrect Xavier. These character restoration steps are important for casual movie-goers who don't read the comics. In a way, it's like building blocks: they only follow the movies as cannon. And if/when FOX does decide to reboot the series it's very likely they'll recast Cyclops again and if he returns, seeing him in a reboot won't be so jarring for these casual audiences after watching Days Of Future Past.

Anything FOX or Bryan does is not just for s***s and giggles: there's both a creative and most importantly, financial reasoning behind their decisions. They are looking at the long term future of this franchise and lining up dominoes now with Days Of Future Past goes so far beyond just what happens in 2014. It is about X-Men 2020 and beyond.

 

[psylockolussus]

This. I couldn't agree more. The last FF film dropped in 2007 and we'll have a new one with that 8 year time frame. .

FOX didn't make a sequel for FF2 because it didn't do so well at the box-office. And they had to make another movie before the rights go back to Marvel.

That's not the case with the X-Men.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

I'm not saying that they should CGI his face so he would look younger but they could, just so people would stop saying he looks really old to play Wolverine. And I'm not saying that Hugh Jackman is the only actor that play the role but FOX isn't a hurry for a reboot. Fans like you are just demanding for a reboot because you want these films to be closer in the comics, but its not happening anytime soon.

Well, that's where we'll have to agree to disagree. If you believe that this current franchise is satisfying what you need from the X-Men, then that's great. The only characters I recognize from the comics (with dead on casting and character development) is Wolverine, Xavier and Erik.

Everyone else smacks of a "What If" alternative universe to me. And since my favorite characters are trapped in that universe I can't be content. First Class gave me a glimmer of hope that we were getting out of this thing before I turned 40. Oh well.

With the release of DOFP, it will just rejuvenate the series and it will definitely encourage FOX to continue the series.

Rejuvenating the franchise is more important to me that rejuvenating this particular series.

 

[psylockolussus]

Well, that's where we'll have to agree to disagree. If you believe that this current franchise is satisfying what you need from the X-Men, then that's great. The only characters I recognize from the comics (with dead on casting and character development) is Wolverine, Xavier and Erik.

Everyone else smacks of a "What If" alternative universe to me. And since my favorite characters are trapped in that universe I can't be content. First Class gave me a glimmer of hope that we were getting out of this thing before I turned 40. Oh well.

You know what, fans will never be satisfied with movie adaptations but I'm just thinking realistically. As long as these X-Men movies don't flop at the box-office and they have the producers/actors willing to return, FOX aren't going to do a reboot.

 

[Hawkingbird]

Hugh's still got a few years yet. I don't think they should CGI his face though...

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

You know what, fans will never be satisfied with movie adaptations but I'm just thinking realistically. As long as these X-Men movies don't flop at the box-office and they have the producers/actors willing to return, FOX aren't going to do a reboot.

I don't agree. I think it's entirely possible for fans to definitely be satisfied with movie adaptations: the Avengers, the Dark Knight, Iron Man, etc., series demonstrate this. Those franchises had actual legs at the box office AND were critically loved. FOX films, in contrast, don't have nearly the same shelf life in theaters...even First Class underperformed in the end.

I agree with you that no CBM will be "perfect" but those other films struck a whole lot closer to the real thing than anything the X-Men franchise has produced as a FOX brand. FOX has got to get its head in the game.

Isn't that saying something?

 

[psylockolussus]

I don't agree. I think it's entirely possible for fans to definitely be satisfied with movie adaptations: Avengers, the Dark Knight, Captain America and Iron Man series demonstrate this. Those franchises had actual legs at the box office AND were critically loved. I agree with you that no CBM will be "perfect" but those films struck a whole lot closer to the real thing than anything the X-Men franchise has produced as a FOX brand.

Isn't that saying something?

Well if you want this X-Men reboot to happen, you better hope something terrible happen to this series like:

1. Director/producers/cast not returning for the future movies, like what happened to Spider-Man 4. Sam Raimi bailed out and the cast didn't want to return unless Sam Raimi is directing the movie
2. Low box-office numbers, like what happened to Fantastic Four: Rise of Silver Surfer.
3. The movie rights are about to expire, like what happened to Daredevil and Fantastic Four.

But right now, it doesn't seem like any of those things will happen anytime soon. There's two upcoming X-Men films. Even if Bryan Singer don't comeback for the 8th X-Men movie, FOX will just hire another director. Even if they decided to stay closer in the comics like Iron Man, MCU and released more critical acclaimed films that will really appeal to the audience like The Dark Knight and The Avengers, its not gonna be a reboot.

 

[JP]

Iron Man 2 made less and was not as critically successful, and fan reception is still mixed til this day.

 

[Mrs Vimes]

Hugh Jackman still looks good for his age.

Plus with the technology today, they could just make Hugh Jackman look younger just like what they did to Ian/Patrick in X3.

Eeeek I hope not. All those "rejuvenating" special effects achieve is completely take me out of a movie and make the actors look like some creepy dolls.

 

[Project862006]

Hugh's still got a few years yet. I don't think they should CGI his face though...

this is what hugh jackman as wolverine looks like now

he could probably play wolverine for like 10 more years lol

hell tom cruise and pitt are 50 and still kicking ass

 

[X-Maniac]

im not expecting a reboot for another 15 to 20 years if even that

they will milk this franchise as much as they can

I'm sure the existing franchise will continue for a while. Especially as they are just rebooting Fantastic Four and have just brought back Singer to 'fix s**t'

Assuming the films all continue to do well and make enough for it to be viable to make more, change will be forced upon them in 10 to 15 years. They may have had to do some recasting of some characters within that period if actors don't want to continue with the franchise.

In 15 years, Jackman (who looks his age) will be 59, Halle (who looks younger than her age) will be 61, Patrick Stewart will be 87 and Ian McKellen will be 88. And there will probably have been two FF films and an X-Men/FF crossover by that time, so the FF cast will also either be too old or ready to move on.

They will either have to

1) Omit the big characters like Wolverine, Storm, Xavier and Magneto who are too old. Seems unlikely, especially in the case of Wolverine

2) Recast some or all of the characters and move ahead as if nothing happened

3) Reboot completely as part of a total recast

By that point the obvious reboot would be a new direction that follows the comics chronology and thus avoids continuity screw-ups.

Marvel will face the same sort of thing with Robert Downey Jr, though his character is in full armour so he doesn't have to do action scenes because all the armoured stuff is CGI.

 

[GuestStar2004]

You know what, fans will never be satisfied with movie adaptations but I'm just thinking realistically. As long as these X-Men movies don't flop at the box-office and they have the producers/actors willing to return, FOX aren't going to do a reboot.

this

 

[X-Maniac]

You know what, fans will never be satisfied with movie adaptations but I'm just thinking realistically. As long as these X-Men movies don't flop at the box-office and they have the producers/actors willing to return, FOX aren't going to do a reboot.

A lot more could be done to make the series closer to the comics. It's more a case of creating accurate character portrayals than replicating comic stories panel for panel.

Avengers didn't follow any comic story exactly, though it took a few ideas from the first issue.

No one complains when these adaptations are closer to the comics. No one asks why Batman has a pointy-eared cowl or why Captain America wears stars and stripes and carries a shield.

 

[BMM]

Of course they do. The movies simply bother to better explain themselves now, unless that's the point you're trying to make.

 

[X-Maniac]

Of course they do. The movies simply bother to better explain themselves now, unless that's the point you're trying to make.

I've never heard anyone ask why movie Batman looks like the Batman we all know, or why movie Spider-Man wears that outfit, or why Iron Man is in that armour.

Fans might discuss details of the designs but in my experience the basic look is accepted by everyone, including the mainstream viewer.

It helps a little that the films usually explain the costume somehow, but X-Men has an advantage over most in not needing convoluted explanations for how someone got their powers. That being said, even for the X-Men it does help to see origin stories (when done properly).

 

[GuestStar2004]

from what i have seen and heard of the wolverine it looks like it has potential to be a hit, it doesn't seem to be falling into the bad place origins did with the cameos and playing safe with wolverine

and even though the success of the wolverine does worry me abit for the future of Xmen films i stil think it has great potential to breath new life into the franchise the same way first class did

 

[X-Maniac]

from what i have seen and heard of the wolverine it looks like it has Partential to be a hit, it doesn't seem to be falling into the bad place origins did with the cameos and playing safe with wolverine

and even though the success of the wolverine does worry me abit for the future of Xmen films i stil think it has great Partential to breath new life into the franchise the same way first class did

I think you mean 'potential' not 'Partential'... lol

 

[GuestStar2004]

I think you mean 'potential' not 'Partential'... lol

pftt thats what i said

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what the hell you talking about? this persons crazy