DC Relaunching Everything?

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Yep how many more people is he going to be able to fit inside him

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I'm not thinking anything dirty right now

Honest
 
Yeah that's the one i was talking about. Wasnt it the latest one?
Nope; when Ronnie returned in Blackest Night, the design changed to this (spoiler tags, because it's huge):
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It does? That's interesting. Because in the past decade all we have been seeing is a reversion to the status quo of the Silver Age. These characters have existed for 70 years and the writers are reluctant to let them progress beyond 30 years old. It seems to me that they want to have their cake and eat it too. You can't have an ongoing continuity if you don't want the characters to change. And that's why mainstream comics are **** now. Because every year we get stories that will 'change characters forever' but it never sticks. When it does, you get what is happening now. A great big reboot.

If you read early Marvel then it seems that they actually were doing what you are saying. Peter Parker ages from 15/16 to 20 within 60 issues. He leaves High School, goes to College and has several relationships. Reed Richards and Susan Storm get married and have a baby. The original X-Men graduated and a new team took their place. And so on. But now Peter Parker has made a deal with the devil so that the last 20 years of comics has never happened.

DC was more like Disney in that their characters were stuck in a timeless setting like Mickey Mouse and arguably they were better off that way. You have characters like Clark Kent being written as if they were Peter Parker and it turns out that his life is pretty boring when he isn't flying through space fighting aliens that shrink cities. Because when status quo is god, you can't build a believable universe in an ongoing story.

This is the real reason why comics are dying. Because new readers don't see why they should give a ****.

The Bat Family has continued to change and grow since 1988. And, it has been a ****ing awesome ride. I don't want it to be messed with...

Dick -> Jason -> Tim

Batman INC, Oracle, Nightwing, 4 different Robins, 3 different Batgirls, Red Robin, Batwoman, Red Hood etc...


Retiring of Gordon, firing of Bullock, Allen & Montoya (arcs), etc...


Death to Sarah Essen.


Yes, Bruce hasn't changed much while this world evolves around him but that just certifies my idea that he took a dip in the Pit after Knightsend and before Prodigal.
 
Nope; when Ronnie returned in Blackest Night, the design changed to this (spoiler tags, because it's huge):
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At first sight it looks the same, but yeah its not. First of all how did you notice those tiny changes and secondly why would they redesign it? Those details they changed just made it worse.
 
I'm just annoyed that years and years of character development will be thrown out the window. What JMS fails to mention is that the revamped characters of the Silver Age were completely different and seperate characters from their Golden Age counterparts and the Golden Age stuff still existed, albeit on an alternate earth. They didn't just go in and erase 25 years of story, make paraplegic characters walk again (what sort of message do they think that will send anyway?), regress characters back into old identities and erase a ton of new characters.

Granted COIE DID do that but thats a different story all together. And I feel for the fans of that era (I've only been a comics reader for about 9 years now and was born Post-Crisis, so I have no idea what it was like).

I just think that comic companies need to find a balance and bring in new readers without alienating long time readers. Comic storylines don't have to be complete replicas of whatever movie just came out for that character, differences between film and source material is accepted for film and it should be elsewhere. On the other hand, starting up a new arc with possibly a new creative team that feels like a fresh jumping on point is something I think is a reasonable way to get the new people in and maybe not have the dedicated readers leave in droves.

For what its worth though, when I went to my LCS for the firt time after seeing the first Spider-man movie I didn't crap my pants when there weren't new Spidey #1s, .1 issues or other blatant jumping on points. I just grabbed what looked interesting, read it, read up on stuff I didn't understand and I'm still here. So I don't have much sympathy for anybody that wants to read comics without getting their hands dirty and maybe reading a wiki article or two.


Exactly. As a self professed Marvel Guy the thing that draws me to DC is the legacy idea that someone can die and stay dead and another different yet still great character will rise up to take his place. As good as the GL stuff is I hate that Hal is back and barry and jason todd etc.

Just like in Marvel I hate the spidey reboot so peter can get busy again it makes no damn sense let him get married have a kid and pass off the mantle.
 
This is the continued trend of Nostalgia Porn that Busiek started that is ruining comics. If that statements doesn't make sense click the busiek link in my sig and it makes a compelling argument.
 
Dont worry Ramore dc are not rebooting the dc comics universe

Happy to say that they are not going to be retconning or rebooting the DCU or its characters
 
But they all ready have Myst over the last couple of year Jason Todd back to life, Hal Jordan back to life, Barry Allen back to life and on and on and on and on! :cmad: Read that link.
 
Since the influx of new readers is so low and I've heard from many people that they might drop the books it's possible DC might, at the bottom line, lose readers.

They easily could at that. I know a fair amount of people, like me, have bought books mostly because we felt committed to them because we had the last 300 issues or whatever. I mean, my Detective Comics set starts pretty consistently around issue 200 and I have practically every issue from 300-up (missing some issues from my post-Zero Hour sabbatical), but once they cancel it and the rest of the core four titles (Action, Detective, Batman and Superman), I can just cut the new series anytime if I don't like them. I realize not many readers are like that, but many collectors are. I mean, I bought all those Superman books in the late 80's and 90's just because it was Superman and in the case of Adventures of Superman and Action Comics, because I had the last 200 or so issues of the title.

This doesn't sound too different from what I encounter with people in other mediums. I can't for the life of me get my friends to appreciate any films or music released pre 1980 (and even the 80s stuff they like is just for the cheesy charm) and the few friends I have that read books, forget about getting them to pick up any classics. People just have a natural resistance towards appreciating older things in any medium while theres the select few in younger generations that are willing to give old stuff a shot. Its an unfortunate reality.

Yeah, it is. Why people choose ignorance is really not something I can understand. As an example, when I was a kid I used to read Werewolf By Night and Tomb of Dracula. So I got interested in famous monsters. I started watching Hammer and Universal monster movies, and reading Forrest J. Ackerman's Famous Monsters of Filmland, and I ended up reading the original horror novels by Stoker and Shelley, and watching films like Nosferatu and Vampyr, etc. My current musical kick has been Brian Wilson/Beach Boys, and from that I've been learning and listening to the Four Freshmen and George Gershwin, etc. I am a person who loves to learn and study and see new things, even if they are only new to me. So if I was a 20 year old kid right now and I was listening to stuff like Arcade Fire or MGMT then I would check out other baroque rock and psychedelic bands and the history of the genre and I would arrive at...Beatles, Beach Boys, Jefferson Airplane, Quicksilver Messenger Service, It's a Beautiful Day, Renaissance, etc. But that's just the way I am.

That's because any comic from the golden ages is full of 9 panel pages that have more words in them than an entire arc from Bendis. On every page.

Any Golden Age comic?? Really?

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What's wrong with comics with a lot of words? Is reading hard? And remember, the main reason old superhero comics had so much exposition in them (e.g. Superman thinking, "Perry White, editor of the Daily Planet." was because they were getting these things called NEW READERS. I wouldn't recommend that now because I think a simple introduction page works better, but I understand why superhero comics were that way then.

By the way, what many people feel is the greatest comics story of all time is a story called "Master Race" from EC's Impact #1. Have you ever read any EC? Their comics were incredible-they may have been the best comics company of all time to be honest, but their books were wordy:

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You people need to accept the fact that, not everybody is gonna like that old s**t. I love me some Fat Domino and Chuck Berry. But I understand that some, hell, most people aren't gonna be into that old s**t. I'm not gonna sit up here and call them philistines or whatever because they aren't into what I'm into. Especially when I can understand why they wouldn't like what I like. What I think of as folksy and a nice peak into life of the times, others might see as hokey and racist. I play at being an elitist, but in reality, I'm just not that big of a *****e bag.

I understand that not everyone is going to like it, but saying things like "All Golden Age art sucked" is just not true. There were crappy Golden Age comics and there were great Golden Age comics, just like there are today.

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The first comic you used as an example for me had 9 panels. 8 really small ones, but still.

And then the Hawkman one had 9 panels as well.

Awwww yeah.
 
The first comic you used as an example for me had 9 panels. 8 really small ones, but still.

And then the Hawkman one had 9 panels as well.

Awwww yeah.

The inserts of the characters on the Simon and Kirby 2 page spread count as panels? That's a push at best. The Hawkman page had a lot of panels, but so what? The art was good.

Jim Lee pinups are NOT legitimate sequential art. Ever read Maus? Lots of panels, lots of words. One of the greatest comics to ever see print.

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Just to get my opinion in there, I think the Batman books are better than they've been in years, and the Morrison-run feels really inspired, and I think it would be a shame to throw all that out the window.

Sure, I get why so many of you want Bruce as your one and only Batman, but I feel the way it's evolved over the last few years seems like the natural evolution of all characters and I think Dick has deserved the mantle after all these years. I don't want to read the same Batman-story over and over again, I like to read a story that has consequences and is constantly evolving. However, I am positive of the reboot, I just hope they have something really good in store for us, and not just some cheap way of getting new readers.

And as a sidenote, I think Damian is a really great addition to the Bat-family so I guess I'm one of the few rooting for his survival.

And a sidenote to the sidenote...sort of. The Jim Lee redesigns are really lame, the recent Batman design is waaay better.
 
They are not going to erase any Batman characters or Morrison's Batman comic books dont worry :)

But they all ready have Myst over the last couple of year Jason Todd back to life, Hal Jordan back to life, Barry Allen back to life and on and on and on and on! :cmad: Read that link.

It sucks that they brought back Barry to pretty much replace Wally :csad:

But at least they arent erasing all the good new characters they created after Flashpoint. They are not going to reboot the dcu which is good because I would hate it if they rebooted the dcu

I hope Wally gets to appear more often in whatever Flash comic book there is after Flashpoint
 
Bart had already replaced Wally. Wally was marginalized long before Barry showed up.


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Just to get my opinion in there, I think the Batman books are better than they've been in years, and the Morrison-run feels really inspired, and I think it would be a shame to throw all that out the window.

Sure, I get why so many of you want Bruce as your one and only Batman, but I feel the way it's evolved over the last few years seems like the natural evolution of all characters and I think Dick has deserved the mantle after all these years. I don't want to read the same Batman-story over and over again, I like to read a story that has consequences and is constantly evolving. However, I am positive of the reboot, I just hope they have something really good in store for us, and not just some cheap way of getting new readers.

And as a sidenote, I think Damian is a really great addition to the Bat-family so I guess I'm one of the few rooting for his survival.

And a sidenote to the sidenote...sort of. The Jim Lee redesigns are really lame, the recent Batman design is waaay better.
I second every word you say.
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At least Bart replacing Wally was moving forward as opposed to everything going back to the way it was all those years ago.

Just to get my opinion in there, I think the Batman books are better than they've been in years, and the Morrison-run feels really inspired, and I think it would be a shame to throw all that out the window.

Sure, I get why so many of you want Bruce as your one and only Batman, but I feel the way it's evolved over the last few years seems like the natural evolution of all characters and I think Dick has deserved the mantle after all these years. I don't want to read the same Batman-story over and over again, I like to read a story that has consequences and is constantly evolving. However, I am positive of the reboot, I just hope they have something really good in store for us, and not just some cheap way of getting new readers.

And as a sidenote, I think Damian is a really great addition to the Bat-family so I guess I'm one of the few rooting for his survival.

And a sidenote to the sidenote...sort of. The Jim Lee redesigns are really lame, the recent Batman design is waaay better.

I agree with all of this. Dick did earn the mantle and whenever they decide to go back to 1 Batman and make Dick Nightwing again (or possibly kill him) its gonna suck hard.
 
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At least Bart replacing Wally was moving forward as opposed to everything going back to the way it was all those years ago.

Yep that was why i didn't mind Bart replacing Wally very much
 
Yeah, it is. Why people choose ignorance is really not something I can understand. As an example, when I was a kid I used to read Werewolf By Night and Tomb of Dracula. So I got interested in famous monsters. I started watching Hammer and Universal monster movies, and reading Forrest J. Ackerman's Famous Monsters of Filmland, and I ended up reading the original horror novels by Stoker and Shelley, and watching films like Nosferatu and Vampyr, etc. My current musical kick has been Brian Wilson/Beach Boys, and from that I've been learning and listening to the Four Freshmen and George Gershwin, etc. I am a person who loves to learn and study and see new things, even if they are only new to me. So if I was a 20 year old kid right now and I was listening to stuff like Arcade Fire or MGMT then I would check out other baroque rock and psychedelic bands and the history of the genre and I would arrive at...Beatles, Beach Boys, Jefferson Airplane, Quicksilver Messenger Service, It's a Beautiful Day, Renaissance, etc. But that's just the way I am.

I agree. Its always interesting to me to see where things came from.
 
John couldn't handle Ego. Ego's 'stache would take him out before he could look at Ego askance. :o
 
John just doesn't have the Right Stuff to take out Ego.


I know who does though.

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:D


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