Dear God. Stick To The Source Material

[Advanced Dark]

^ You mean "cource" of course.

 

[gerbstat]

^ You mean "cource" of course.

I don't mean to be coarse, but I wrote "course" and meant "cource", of course. Thank you for pointing this out politely and not cursing or coercing me.

 

[Spider-Fan]

300 to me is different. This is one writers definitive vision. Easier to do in an ABC fashion. Superheroes like the Fantastic Four don't have this luxary. They many years of history, different interpretations, and fans will have their favorite story or writer. Also, some things may be dated (as some have pointed out).

That said, I agree to a point. Should they do panel for panel interpretations of the story? No, having Doom mixed in the Galactus/Surfer story doesn't bug me. Should the characters be similar to what was on the paper? Definately, FF made this mistake with Doom. He was not even remotely the same, and vastly inferior (which is something unacceptable to Doom and his fans). Doing something like reshaping Galactus into a cloud or using the robot horde idea is an unacceptable change since that goes against what made the character great in the first place.

For superheroes, melding the pieces correctly and staying true to the characters is the goal, not going panel for panel.

 

[Nokio]

Agree for the most part, though I cant say I'd be too keen on an FF movie adaptation written by Morrison, given how prone he is to changing things when he is just writing one of the books. Ellis I'm not sure about..Only books I can remember by him off-hand are Ruins and Ultimate Extinction.

But yes, there are comic book writers who have handled the characters very well for years who should at least be worth consulting by any prospective screenwriter, especially comparatively inexperienced ones like Kinberg or even Don Payne.

I should have been more clear. I'm not saying that Morrison or Ellias should write the f4, I was just saying they are some of my favorite writers and just using them as examples. I think Morrison did an excellant job on the JLA relaunch. The best ever in my opinion. The current relaunch is good, but Morrison was great for me. I also liked his work on Xmen. Ellias has done good work on Stormwatch, The Authority, and Planetary. Transmetropolitan was a good book. What I don't like is the metion of Ellias working on that Ultimate Extinction. I thought either Miller or Bendis wrote it. Lord don't tell me that Ellias is responsible for that ultimate Galactus crap? What the hell was he thinking retooling galactus like that???

I think some of these screenwriters have egos and want sole credit when writing movies, especially if the movie has the potential to be a hit. It raises their power in Hollywood. I blame the studio. I still for the life of me do not understand why a studio like FOX doesn't bring in some creative help from Marvel. There are people who have writen and developed those characters for years and yet they hire some writer who know nothing of the source material and is probably given an outline and description of the characters. They propbably are given a few comics to read. This seems to be Fox's approach.

 

[terry78]

FF has decades behind it. You can't include everything. As a director and writer, all you can do is choose what will work on screen and what won't. Someone will always complain about it, but you can't please the whole.

 

[Malus]

I think some of these screenwriters have egos and want sole credit when writing movies, especially if the movie has the potential to be a hit. It raises their power in Hollywood. I blame the studio. I still for the life of me do not understand why a studio like FOX doesn't bring in some creative help from Marvel. There are people who have writen and developed those characters for years and yet they hire some writer who know nothing of the source material and is probably given an outline and description of the characters. They probably are given a few comics to read. This seems to be Fox's approach.

It's pretty well known by now that FF2 screenwriter Don Payne was a lifelong FF fan before getting this job. I haven't heard a word from him yet that indicates otherwise.

 

[gerbstat]

Okay, who's the wise guy that changed the spelling in the thread title?

Spoilsport...

 

[Fantastic-Boy]

Come down man!

 

[Nokio]

It's pretty well known by now that FF2 screenwriter Don Payne was a lifelong FF fan before getting this job. I haven't heard a word from him yet that indicates otherwise.

I'm not talking about Payne. I'm looking at the past Marvel/Fox films. Payne may be a huge fan, i don't know, but I'll see come 6/15.

 

[Victarion]

If we can see an 80-foot man made of sand, we can see a colossal, black armored planet-eater...

 

[Mr. Socko]

God forbid Thing's eyebrows aren't as big as they are in the comics.

 

[jrd550]

Well....again, I guess we will have to disagree....and thats ok....

I thought the Doom/Reed rivalry was "null and void" as in not there.....mostly because Reed was so weak as a character.....

I don't know what Fox's motives were for making a mediocre movie....they h aven't told us.....I don't know that they went into it to make a mediocre movie, I just think they did a bad job....if they're motive was to go into a movie to make it bad, well then they did it....did I enjoy seeing the 4 on screen....yes and I enjoyed the actors they chose as well.....I did not enjoy what they gave to actors to perform.....AND THEREIN lies my serious qualms about the sequel.......at this point....FOR ME.....there are not enough TV spots, interviews, trailers, BTS footage, one sheets....etc.....to make me trust Fox and this franchise.....ONLY the movie will do that.......so if I sound negative until that point....well thats how it is.....thats probably why I don't give a whole lot of speculation/opinion on what we've seen.......

agreed...

 

[Agent 194]

God forbid Thing's eyebrows aren't as big as they are in the comics.

I've been saying this for months.

It's a train which has left, a ship that has sailed, a dead horse twice beaten. Believe me I agree with you. They could fix the nose, eyes everything,....this could be the 'let's create a new oscar category for these special effects and raise the bar even more' moments.

Alas, is not to be.

 

[highguard]

If we can see an 80-foot man made of sand, we can see a colossal, black armored planet-eater...

You said it bro!

 

[Advanced Dark]

^ Well it would be nice but Spidey 3 has a budget rumored to be near 250 million while FF2 might be 150 million. Also there's really no need to spend all that money & make Galactus a big deal when it's not needed to tell the story. Sometimes less...is more.

 

[Dragon]

^ Well it would be nice but Spidey 3 has a budget rumored to be near 250 million while FF2 might be 150 million. Also there's really no need to spend all that money & make Galactus a big deal when it's not needed to tell the story. Sometimes less...is more.

Galactus not needed to tell the story of Galactus? That's a novel approach, to say the least.

 

[Nokio]

^ Well it would be nice but Spidey 3 has a budget rumored to be near 250 million while FF2 might be 150 million. Also there's really no need to spend all that money & make Galactus a big deal when it's not needed to tell the story. Sometimes less...is more.

Galactus is not needed?? WTF! No way are you a true fan of the f4. NO WAY IN THE NAME OF THE ALMIGHTY SHOULD ANYONE MAKE A F4 FILM FEATURING THE FIRST APPEARENCE OF THE SILVER SURFER WITHOUT GALACTUS!! There should be no SS without Galactus, and i'm not talking about some crappy purple cloud, or a bunch of insect looking ships posing as Galactus. IF FOX AND THE REST OF THAT SO CALLED CREATIVE TEAM ISN'T GOING TO USE GALACTUS WHEN PUTTING THE SS IN THE MOVIE THEN THEY SHOULDN'T BE MAKING A F4 FILM AT ALL.

150 million is a lot of money, but as fox showed with the 1st F4 they seem to have no concept of appling and utilizing such a massive amount of money. I have no idea where FOX spent the so called 100 plus million on the 1st F4, but it wasn't on that movie. If anyone can break it down to me and show me where all that money went, then i'd be grateful. the first f4 looked liked it cost about 60-70 million if that. The sets looked so so, and I don't need to go on. Acoording to Black Enterprise Magazine, the budget is at 130 million.

As for spiderman, well I can see why those films are a huge success. They may have made some changes, but they stuck to the source material and didn't half @ss anything. F42 may be entertianing, but if they aren't sticking to the source material, then the film won't be a good film. If F42 is good I'd be surprised.

 

[Iron Maiden]

I'll grant you that Sam Raimi and Sony have done a stellar job with the Spider-Man franchise but they haven't exactly stuck to the "cource" either. Or am I the only one who remembers the organic web shooter brouhaha??!!t: Now hardly anyone mentions that. Or jumping right over Gwen Stacy, Betty, and Liz Allen as prior Peter Parker girlfriends and going straight to Mary Jane. Or making Otto Octavius a crusading scientist? Or "Power Ranger" Green Goblin? If the changes are handled well enough, the fans eventually come around to accept them. We haven't seen the final product yet for FF: ROTSS so we can only reserve judgement until then. Fox has a lot to make up for though, I'll grant you that.

 

[Mercurius]

Sometimes less...is more.

You're right. But sometimes less is just less. t:

 

[Malus]

I'll grant you that Sam Raimi and Sony have done a stellar job with the Spider-Man franchise but they haven't exactly stuck to the "cource" either. Or am I the only one who remembers the organic web shooter brouhaha??!!t: Now hardly anyone mentions that. Or jumping right over Gwen Stacy, Betty, and Liz Allen as prior Peter Parker girlfriends and going straight to Mary Jane. Or making Otto Octavius a crusading scientist? Or "Power Ranger" Green Goblin? If the changes are handled well enough, the fans eventually come around to accept them. We haven't seen the final product yet for FF: ROTSS so we can only reserve judgement until then. Fox has a lot to make up for though, I'll grant you that.

...there's really no need to spend all that money & make Galactus a big deal when it's not needed to tell the story. Sometimes less...is more.

Well he is apparently needed (at least peripherally) for the purposes of telling this movie's story. We've been told the Surfer has only a few lines, so they're obviously holding a lot back about him in this film.

But in telling the overall story of the Silver Surfer, he is ESSENTIAL.

 

[Iron Maiden]

I think a Silver Surfer story that doesn't include Galactus would make the SS character pointless. We know at least Galactus will be a factor or SS would have no purpose scouting out the Earth. As a side note, I find it interesting that while earlier interviews stated that Julian's contract was different from the rest of the cast (being only for 2 films) he has recently said he is obligated to do a third film. I think they have to be planning to end FF:ROTSS with a cliffhanger of sorts and that's why there may not be full out Galactus until the 3rd film.

 

[GhostPoet]

I've always seen the movies as another, seperate continuity...much like comics have multiple continuities....

 

[Tony Stark]

Galactus is not needed?? WTF! No way are you a true fan of the f4. NO WAY IN THE NAME OF THE ALMIGHTY SHOULD ANYONE MAKE A F4 FILM FEATURING THE FIRST APPEARENCE OF THE SILVER SURFER WITHOUT GALACTUS!! There should be no SS without Galactus, and i'm not talking about some crappy purple cloud, or a bunch of insect looking ships posing as Galactus. IF FOX AND THE REST OF THAT SO CALLED CREATIVE TEAM ISN'T GOING TO USE GALACTUS WHEN PUTTING THE SS IN THE MOVIE THEN THEY SHOULDN'T BE MAKING A F4 FILM AT ALL.

150 million is a lot of money, but as fox showed with the 1st F4 they seem to have no concept of appling and utilizing such a massive amount of money. I have no idea where FOX spent the so called 100 plus million on the 1st F4, but it wasn't on that movie. If anyone can break it down to me and show me where all that money went, then i'd be grateful. the first f4 looked liked it cost about 60-70 million if that. The sets looked so so, and I don't need to go on. Acoording to Black Enterprise Magazine, the budget is at 130 million.

As for spiderman, well I can see why those films are a huge success. They may have made some changes, but they stuck to the source material and didn't half @ss anything. F42 may be entertianing, but if they aren't sticking to the source material, then the film won't be a good film. If F42 is good I'd be surprised.

Why don't you fan boys shut up and learn to read. What he's saying is that it's not needed to spend alot of money just for Galactus. He never said he shouldn't be in the film.

Some of you are just bound and determined to hate this film, so why don't you just go somewhere else and leave the rest of us who want to give this film a chance in peace.

 

[Dragon]

I'll grant you that Sam Raimi and Sony have done a stellar job with the Spider-Man franchise but they haven't exactly stuck to the "cource" either. Or am I the only one who remembers the organic web shooter brouhaha??!!t: Now hardly anyone mentions that. Or jumping right over Gwen Stacy, Betty, and Liz Allen as prior Peter Parker girlfriends and going straight to Mary Jane. Or making Otto Octavius a crusading scientist? Or "Power Ranger" Green Goblin? If the changes are handled well enough, the fans eventually come around to accept them. We haven't seen the final product yet for FF: ROTSS so we can only reserve judgement until then. Fox has a lot to make up for though, I'll grant you that.

The obvious difference with the Spidey movies is that despite the departures from the source material, good ideas are still generated. Ock was a bit different from the comics, but he was still a compelling character and exciting villain. The order of girlfriends is different, but who cares? The love story is a bit goofy, but somewhat touching. Even though the Goblin was majorly screwed, they hired an actor that made up for the poor design and had reasonably good action scenes. And we know that ultimately the issue with the Goblin's suit was money. Now that raimi has an unlimited budget he's delivering big time.

The FF on the other hand don't have this. The changes to Doom resulted in a BAD VILLAIN. Boring powers. Terrible look (Even the Goblin, who I HATED, still looked better than Doom). There was no creativity shown in the realization of any of the characters.

Now we're told that an essential character's appearance is sketchy at best. If Raimi announced that Venom would be a mass of slime and fangs with no Eddie Brock, that would be along the lines of what's happening in FF2.

 

[Nokio]

Why don't you fan boys shut up and learn to read. What he's saying is that it's not needed to spend alot of money just for Galactus. He never said he shouldn't be in the film.

Some of you are just bound and determined to hate this film, so why don't you just go somewhere else and leave the rest of us who want to give this film a chance in peace.

Are you on crack? Where did I say that I hated the FF? No where you numb skull. At least attempt to back your words with facts, like showing me posts where i've said such things. I'm a fan of the f4, but just not what FOX is doing. If you even bothered to look up my name you can see where majority of my posts are. I'm not all over the other boards but this one mainly.

Whatever Advanced Dark is saying I have a right to disagree. Galactus needs to be there, and not some half @sses version. I'm not saying the bank should be broken on him, but he should be done properly. This is exactly the kind of mokey brain thinking that resulted in that mess of the first movie. I've always said that what I've seen of ROTSS have been good. Now even though it looks good those scenes aren't the whole movie, and despite seeing great scenes the picture as a whole can still be garbage.