Dear WB, your supposed 2009 blockbusters continue to fail...

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  1. Ita-KalEl

    Ita-KalEl Well-Known Member

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    Are you still sure that there's not a place for Superman?

    Watchmen
    Production Budget: $150 million
    Domestic: $107,483,804 58.8%
    + Foreign: $75,225,483 41.2%
    = Worldwide: $182,709,287

    Terminator Salvation
    Production Budget: $200 million
    Domestic: $56,382,000

    Superman Returns after its first week-end did $66,795,937
    I wonder if it's really impossible to imagine a better performance for the supposed "Man of Steel".

    "Watchmen will do great!"
    "Terminator Salvation and its sequels will do billions. Superman is useless".
    At this point if the Hobbit failed, at WB they would be in trouble.

    It's clear that they have canned the Superman franchise without a single good reason, and I wonder if now (after that a TS sequel is not sure anymore) there is a place for it.
     
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  2. Blackman

    Blackman C'mon Son

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    This thread is about a useful as swine flu...please close this
     
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    Wiseman Well-Known Member

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    Is it racist if I say shut-up blackman if that's his name?
     
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  4. Ita-KalEl

    Ita-KalEl Well-Known Member

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    Why? :)
    I've read that there's no place for Superman anymore, that TMOS was canned because of the budget ($175m was too expensive), because of the b.o. failure of the first movie ($390m ww), because the poor popularity of the character...

    2009 was supposed to be the year of the MOS, we know that at WB they decided to cancel it and to greenlit some better franchises (Watchmen, Terminator Salvation). These movies are doing far worse than Superman Returns. I wonder if the decision to cancel Superman was a good decision, and if now there is a chance to see it again before the 2012.
     
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  5. Superark

    Superark The Purveyor of Good

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    Once again, WB released a film this year that will end up turning into a dud.

    I cant help but think how this makes SR's BO look better
     
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  6. Ita-KalEl

    Ita-KalEl Well-Known Member

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    I don't want to talk about the SR's box office. I wonder if the flops of Watchmen and Terminator Salvation can change something for the future. For example by now we know that chances of a 2011 TS.
     
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  7. Superark

    Superark The Purveyor of Good

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    My only point in bringing it up is to show that there is an audience for Superman. Whether it is a sequel, reboot, requel or whatever, a Superman film is going to bring in money, especially if it has a decent story and lots of action
     
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  8. nintendo nerd

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    My thoughts exactly, Ita. Great Post. SR made more money than Watchmen, Speed Racer, and it looks like TS will do also less. Let's not forget that SR made more money than BB. SR and all those movies had a similar budget (according to Showtime, SR's budget was 204 million, not counting previous efforts, correct me if I'm wrong ).

    SR received better reviews from critics and audiences than all of those movies except for BB. If WB decides to do a sequel for TS, why can't there be one for SR?
     
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  9. nintendo nerd

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    More repect please. I live in Mexico and that was a very serious matter for Mexicans.
     
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  10. Paradoxium

    Paradoxium Making Your Head Explode

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    If I was investor, I would not have gambled on Watchmen - not hindsight, I always agreed with Moore on adaptation issues - nor would I gamble on a Superman sequel given the stigma SR has incurred (intended or not). I would actually prefer to gamble on a second tier hero instead. Maybe a Nightwing movie of lower budget.
     
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    Which Stigma? GA's issue with SR was lack of action. The story and characters were fine.
     
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    Ita-KalEl Well-Known Member

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    Paradoxium in the Terminator:Salvation box office thread told me that it is a problem of "future divided profit percentages".

    I don't know if it is true, I know only that every year there is at least a big WB movie (with a budget over the $150m) that bombs. And someone continues to say that Superman is dead.
     
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  13. Webhead2006

    Webhead2006 The Web-Swinger

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    You can really judge TS yet only after its first weekend.
     
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    Yes, you can. With all the competition they needed bigger numbers. Plus the bad WOM won't help at all. Opening weekend is very important for Studios and TS was beaten by Night at the Museum 2 which cost 50 million less to make. TS will be lucky to reach 150 million.
     
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    I'm pretty sure that was not the OP point.
     
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  16. Paradoxium

    Paradoxium Making Your Head Explode

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    I don't know if it is settled yet, but I do recall reading something about it, I will try digging it up.
     
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  17. nintendo nerd

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    I know. That's my opinion.
     
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  18. Superark

    Superark The Purveyor of Good

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    yes you can. TS was expected to make an opening of 70-90 million. They movie is going to end up being a big letdown for WB

    I think this should make Superman more of a priority for them.
     
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  19. Paradoxium

    Paradoxium Making Your Head Explode

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    All I know is the Siegels own 50% of the domestic rights. I am not certain how much they get a cut of in terms of net profit. But they are not exactly forking up the risk (contribute to budget of film). It's almost a win-win scenario. If the film fails, they get nothing but have no losses. If it profits, they get a nice roll of the cash. How much is a problem.
     
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  20. Ita-KalEl

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    This is a shame dear Paradoxium. One of the best franchises ever killed by the greed...
    But I'm sure that there is still hope for the future. At least we know that for 2011 the place occupied by the TS sequel, is by now vacant.
     
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  21. BestGirl

    BestGirl Chillin' on Dragonstone

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    I hadn't thought of that. And Superman is still a top tier superhero, even after the disappointment of SR...
     
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  22. Lighthouse

    Lighthouse Fairness, Equality, Bacon

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    :facepalm

    Do you people really think this changes in anyway WB's viewpoint on Superman Returns? Really?
     
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  23. KalMart

    KalMart 239-Bean Irish Chili

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    If Obama's presidency turns out to be a bust.....should the US re-elect George Bush? Is there a place for George Bush in our future?
     
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  24. KalMart

    KalMart 239-Bean Irish Chili

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    I feel a mod-action approaching.......
     
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  25. FilmNerdJamie

    FilmNerdJamie I'M MARY POPPINS, Y'ALL!

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    "No no I have no idea why this thread would be closed..."
     
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