The Dark Knight Digital Dent!

[AdmNelson]

this is true, when we went to go watch them film on lower wacker we were on the river and one of the crew guys (who was very cool and tried to help us get a good look at them filming) said that he saw aaron eckhart but he had abunch of dots of his face for the cgi.

Here's one explanation (I do computer graphics/visual effects for a living):

When Dent gets wounded (acid in his face, or whatever), they might have the "scarring effect" happen as he's moving, screaming and so on. They could do a "digital makeup" job by tracking wound effects to his face -- or they could do the reverse, by having conventional makeup already applied to his face, but digitally painted out with "clean" skin textures, which then dissolve. They could also have something fairly gruesome at first (his teeth revealed, etc.) until Dent covers up his wounding with his own makeup, or some other technique (bandages, etc.)

Both of these "digital makeup" techniques have been used in recent films. In particular, "Passion of the Christ" used these -- either tracking digital wounds to an actor's skin, and/or covering existing makeup with digitally-tracked clean skin, then ripping it away. (The motion-tracking dots are also digitally painted out, of course.)

-- Admiral Nelson

 

[Redd]

I dont know on how much they will do on Dent's face. Again this is Nolan and he wants to make this thing look real. He is not going to go over board on Two-face's face.

 

[gwynplaine]

Here's one explanation (I do computer graphics/visual effects for a living):

When Dent gets wounded (acid in his face, or whatever), they might have the "scarring effect" happen as he's moving, screaming and so on. They could do a "digital makeup" job by tracking wound effects to his face -- or they could do the reverse, by having conventional makeup already applied to his face, but digitally painted out with "clean" skin textures, which then dissolve. They could also have something fairly gruesome at first (his teeth revealed, etc.) until Dent covers up his wounding with his own makeup, or some other technique (bandages, etc.)

Both of these "digital makeup" techniques have been used in recent films. In particular, "Passion of the Christ" used these -- either tracking digital wounds to an actor's skin, and/or covering existing makeup with digitally-tracked clean skin, then ripping it away. (The motion-tracking dots are also digitally painted out, of course.)

-- Admiral Nelson

Interesting, good to hear the opinion of a pro.

 

[Crook]

I dont know on how much they will do on Dent's face. Again this is Nolan and he wants to make this thing look real. He is not going to go over board on Two-face's face.

Then he really should have no business adapting these characters, should he?

Two-Face is one of the easiest villains to "ground". There is no supernatural element to him, he's simply scarred with acid. The only important thing, is to keep the scarring visually plausible.

Other than that, it still needs to adhere to the traditional look. Which means HALF (not a fourth, or a third, like I see in some manips) is horribly scarred, and it's a different color from his regular skintone.

 

[Redd]

Then he really should have no business adapting these characters, should he?

Two-Face is one of the easiest villains to "ground". There is no supernatural element to him, he's simply scarred with acid. The only important thing, is to keep the scarring visually plausible.

Other than that, it still needs to adhere to the traditional look. Which means HALF (not a fourth, or a third, like I see in some manips) is horribly scarred, and it's a different color from his regular skintone.

Yes I know that. But what I mean is I dont think that he will go over board on the CGI makeup. I mean they cant really show a whole lot of teeth or then it wont look believable.
I just want it to look believable and not fake like what they did to Tommy Lee Jones.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Then he really should have no business adapting these characters, should he?

Two-Face is one of the easiest villains to "ground". There is no supernatural element to him, he's simply scarred with acid. The only important thing, is to keep the scarring visually plausible.

Other than that, it still needs to adhere to the traditional look. Which means HALF (not a fourth, or a third, like I see in some manips) is horribly scarred, and it's a different color from his regular skintone.

I don't care about visually plausible dammit. I want him to have a half green face. But I know it's not gonna happen

 

[FatA$$]

i just saw on g4 (yeah i know a lot of people dont like that channel but oh well) and the feed came up on the bottom of the screen and mentioned that jokers scarring may also be partially CGI. im sure this will get over looked by everyone on the thread but hey im just trying to let people know what i saw.

 

[aSyluM7]

...mentioned that jokers scarring may also be partially CGI.

Interesting.

 

[Wolfman]

Yeah yeah, I've read it. But I wanna know if it's from the first film

Mjehehehe! It is from the first Darkman. The crappy sequels only had a mask where the jaw didn't move and you could see the actors lips under the teeth. Raimi should do another Darkman movie. But back to the topic.

 

[Nepenthes]

mentioned that jokers scarring may also be partially CGI.

that's interesting, because his look as we've seen in pics doesn't really require CGI. this might actually refer to the scarring scene itself, a chem bath or something. which means a partial origin (as I've guessed all along)

And no I'm not saying G4 is 100% reliable here, just raising the point .......

 

[Mladen]

I wouldn't like green either, but it was very well-done in Gotham Central.

quick off-topic question, I remember Harv having a crush on Montoya, but did anything ever come of it in the comics?

 

[smatt584]

i just saw on g4 (yeah i know a lot of people dont like that channel but oh well) and the feed came up on the bottom of the screen and mentioned that jokers scarring may also be partially CGI. im sure this will get over looked by everyone on the thread but hey im just trying to let people know what i saw.

You know, for this, i get the feeling that we will get to see his face get cut. It would be awesome (and pretty damn disturbing) to see him laugh maniacally with both sides of his mouth cut to make a huge, open smile. Just like what they did to the main bad guy in Pan's Labrynth when she cut his mouth open through his cheek. Two-face will probably be the same way in order to remove such a large area of his lips/cheek like in the comics, it will just be easier and more realistic to remove it digitally.

 

[Kritish]

I'm all for the shock factor and giving little children nightmare but exactly how gruesome are they planning on making him?

 

[dark_b]

I'm all for the shock factor and giving little children nightmare but exactly how gruesome are they planning on making him?

how can you ahve a movie that is PG-13 and gave kkids nightmares?

 

[smatt584]

i know it's the wrong place for it, but i thought this manip looked pretty good ( a bit of a freddy rip-off maybe), although, it seems like they'll probably be removing some parts of the mouth area for the movie.

i just like the eye...

 

[aSyluM7]

how can you ahve a movie that is PG-13 and gave kkids nightmares?

Glitter ..... nuf said

 

[smatt584]

Glitter ..... nuf said

lol, yeah, that was pretty gruesome...

 

[Kritish]

how can you ahve a movie that is PG-13 and gave kkids nightmares?

Children are scared of the dumbest ****.

 

[GUNSLINGER]

Okay, maybe awful was too strong a word. As far as cgi goes, it was very good. The detail and texture all that was excellent.

BUT... it still looked computer generated. It's in the movement or something. I don't know. Maybe this stuff just pops out at me more.

Not to mention, it was the epitome of unnecessary cgi.

But back to TDK... I'd rather see a toned down Two-Face that can be achieved with realistic prosthetics than an overly gruesome Two-Face that would require cgi and would most likely take me right out of the movie.

you're an idiot, sorry but thats just how it is. come on man that baby scene was pretty freaking good. and what is the big deal of using a little cgi to enhance the prosthetics, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! i t would make it a little bit better which is what nolan would do, he would use cgi only to enhance what he can not acheive without prosthetics.

 

[Nepenthes]

I'm actually beginning to warm to the Gotham Central look, suprisingly. He wouldn't be 'scarred' or looking like the top layer of his face is missing; but rather the skins just become pruned, rough, hardened or something like that, with slight discolouration. He just looks really damn ugly, with of course the bulging eye and curled lip. It's not as realistic of course but it may look more unique and/or a better visual for the character and the overall movie, depending on how it all turns out.

 

[Dark Knight]

you're an idiot, sorry but thats just how it is. come on man that baby scene was pretty freaking good. and what is the big deal of using a little cgi to enhance the prosthetics, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! i t would make it a little bit better which is what nolan would do, he would use cgi only to enhance what he can not acheive without prosthetics.

I think we can safely say that Nolan will not go over the top with the CGI....

The CGI he will use will be done in a subtle way.

 

[Luchastyle]

i just saw on g4 (yeah i know a lot of people dont like that channel but oh well) and the feed came up on the bottom of the screen and mentioned that jokers scarring may also be partially CGI. im sure this will get over looked by everyone on the thread but hey im just trying to let people know what i saw.

this is interesting, as someone said above me, perhaps it will be when his cuts are fresh, like ichi the killer or pan's labyrinth. that would be pretty awesome. that's something i'd like to see. but with such a gruesome joker, and perhaps a very disturbing harvey dent, we might be looking at an r-rating. it really depends on the level of blood. many times you can have very scary and disturbing images, but if you leave out an abundance of blood, you can still be granted a pg-13 rating. i could see wb not wanting an r-rated batman movie. but all of this stuff is interesting to think about. personally, i like the idea of these characters looking as frightening and gruesome as possible. but i'm kind of a gorehound.

 

[strikezone89]

digital would be kool

 

[Figs]

I just don't want either of the Joker's or Two-Face's scars to look too cheesy and fake because of CGI. I hope they do it kinda subtle.

 

[Luchastyle]

I just don't want either of the Joker's or Two-Face's scars to look too cheesy and fake because of CGI. I hope they do it kinda subtle.

definitely, but if you've ever seen pan's labyrinth, it was some of the better cgi i've seen as far as applying directly to a person. when the guy was sewing up his cheek, it looked so good. i mean, i've never seen perfect cgi, i can almost always tell when something is cgi, but this was VERY good cgi.