Discussion: Aliens, UFOs, And Other Space Oddities II

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I thought I'd post in this thread and say that it seems rather interesting. I myself have an interest in ufology and extraterrestrial contact.I have a theory on the existence of extraterrestrials and its compatibility with theism if anyone is interested.

Just post it, this is the thread for that stuff.

 

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[Whirlysplat]

Many people say they have. Do you?
If not you, do you know anyone who says they have been that you believe?

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Sure, we'll poke holes in it! :P

We know you will Lobo.

 

[Bim]

Just post it, this is the thread for that stuff.

Indeed Ash, go ahead and post it. I'd love to read it

 

[Docker2.0]

darn threadbot!

 

[Bim]

Docker2.0: that avi is creepy!

Ok a friend showed me this and . Supposedly this is a video of a missile fired at an UFO in Japan...

[YT]KFdgchMm5Es[/YT]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFdgchMm5Es

Can anyone translate what the people recording the video are saying? The woman sounds creeped out.

 

[wiegeabo]

It's easy to be creeped out when you're recording something and don't know what the hell's going on. Doesn't necessarily mean it's any sinister or UFO related.

I too would like to hear a reliable translation, but, again, it probably wouldn't amount to being much of a help.

 

[Ash J. Williams]

Just post it, this is the thread for that stuff.

Indeed Ash, go ahead and post it. I'd love to read it

So anyway...

My theory goes along with Steven M. Greer's idea that extraterrestrials are agents of God. I figure if they're another part of the universe, they are not worried about -- for lack of a better term -- wordly pleasures, such as sex and drugs, but rather spiritual concerns. What I mean by that is if then have a connection with God, they maintain their connection to Him by fearing Him. I am not sure if I go along with the idea that extraterrestrials have their own need for salvation, which many theologians propose, simply because salvation is intended for humans. And if extraterrestrials don't have a need for salvation if they don't sin that doesn't negate the possibility that they can have a connection with God since redemption from sin, the way I see it, only applies to humans. Perhaps it could be thought of as a version of the Adam and Eve situation where there was no sin in the garden. I talked to a friend a while back concerning the sin in the garden and he told me that in another universe where there was a version of the Adam and Eve situation, there was no fall of man. Therefore, I don't see sinlessness as something that negates a connection with God because in the Christian worldview, Jesus lived a sinless life and He had a relationship with God. So perhaps the extraterrestrials are a kind of manifestation of Christ and we coud learn something from them.

Hope I didn't ramble too much here.

 

[Sam Fisher]

Docker2.0: that avi is creepy!

Ok a friend showed me this and . Supposedly this is a video of a missile fired at an UFO in Japan...

[YT]KFdgchMm5Es[/YT]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFdgchMm5Es

Can anyone translate what the people recording the video are saying? The woman sounds creeped out.

Looks like they fixed the cloaking device.

 

[Duke]

So anyway...

My theory goes along with Steven M. Greer's idea that extraterrestrials are agents of God. I figure if they're another part of the universe, they are not worried about -- for lack of a better term -- wordly pleasures, such as sex and drugs, but rather spiritual concerns. What I mean by that is if then have a connection with God, they maintain their connection to Him by fearing Him. I am not sure if I go along with the idea that extraterrestrials have their own need for salvation, which many theologians propose, simply because salvation is intended for humans. And if extraterrestrials don't have a need for salvation if they don't sin that doesn't negate the possibility that they can have a connection with God since redemption from sin, the way I see it, only applies to humans. Perhaps it could be thought of as a version of the Adam and Eve situation where there was no sin in the garden. I talked to a friend a while back concerning the sin in the garden and he told me that in another universe where there was a version of the Adam and Eve situation, there was no fall of man. Therefore, I don't see sinlessness as something that negates a connection with God because in the Christian worldview, Jesus lived a sinless life and He had a relationship with God. So perhaps the extraterrestrials are a kind of manifestation of Christ and we coud learn something from them.

Hope I didn't ramble too much here.

i really like your theory or belief.

 

[Bim]

So anyway...

My theory goes along with Steven M. Greer's idea that extraterrestrials are agents of God. I figure if they're another part of the universe, they are not worried about -- for lack of a better term -- wordly pleasures, such as sex and drugs, but rather spiritual concerns. What I mean by that is if then have a connection with God, they maintain their connection to Him by fearing Him. I am not sure if I go along with the idea that extraterrestrials have their own need for salvation, which many theologians propose, simply because salvation is intended for humans. And if extraterrestrials don't have a need for salvation if they don't sin that doesn't negate the possibility that they can have a connection with God since redemption from sin, the way I see it, only applies to humans. Perhaps it could be thought of as a version of the Adam and Eve situation where there was no sin in the garden. I talked to a friend a while back concerning the sin in the garden and he told me that in another universe where there was a version of the Adam and Eve situation, there was no fall of man. Therefore, I don't see sinlessness as something that negates a connection with God because in the Christian worldview, Jesus lived a sinless life and He had a relationship with God. So perhaps the extraterrestrials are a kind of manifestation of Christ and we coud learn something from them.

Hope I didn't ramble too much here.

Not rambling, dont worry about it t:

I would say this theory is possible, but i wouldnt label all extraterrestrials as good, or agents of God, although i would say some of them very much could be working towards a higher purpose. It's very possible in my view that not all have the best of intentions, or whose interests go alongside ours.

 

[JAK®]

This thread needs to be bumped.

I don't think UFOs are aliens. I see no evidence that strange craft in the sky are extraterrestrial in origin. It's an argument from ignorance. I think the truth is that UFOs can be a number of things. Natural phenomena we don't understand, and in the case of UFOs that resemble a form of aircraft or technology, simply military stuff we shouldn't know about.

That's my opinion.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Anyone who believes aliens are impossible is simply not looking at the facts.

We are in an infinite universe, made up of an infinite about of solar systems that have many many planets orbiting them... The idea that there CAN'T be any life on them is just a bit silly really.

When it comes to knowing whether or not they have crossed our paths... Well I'm skeptical, but I can certainly logically see that in that infinite amount of planets there could be at least one with life intelligent enough to get here, and it's possible there might be a logical reason for them to want to.

Basically I just think denying the existence of aliens is like a form of arrogance. We are the only intelligent life. This is the only planet in the whole universe to have formed it... It's just very unrealistic.

 

[LOBO3315a]

Um, we don't live in an infinite Universe. The Universe is really, really, really, X 10 big, but it is not infinite. 13 billion light-years as I recall.

 

[JAK®]

There is no doubt that there is life elsewhere in the universe. But considering the variety of life on our own planet, life on other planets is probably so different from what we know that they won't be 'intelligent' by our standards (and neither would we be to them)

The possibility of alien life visiting our planet is purely hypothetical at this point.

 

[moviedoors]

This thread needs to be bumped.

I don't think UFOs are aliens. I see no evidence that strange craft in the sky are extraterrestrial in origin. It's an argument from ignorance. I think the truth is that UFOs can be a number of things. Natural phenomena we don't understand, and in the case of UFOs that resemble a form of aircraft or technology, simply military stuff we shouldn't know about.

That's my opinion.

That about covers it. I have no doubt that the universe is teeming with life in unimaginable evolutionary diversity, but I'm not even remotely convinced we've been visited. Abductions, ancient astronauts, Roswell? Feh, I say. Feh!

UFO's are real, but that's only going by the actual definition. There's stuff in the sky we haven't been able to identify, but until there's some positive evidence to suggest they're extraterrestrial, I'm not going to jump to conclusions.

Random trivia: guess which group of people have the lowest rate of seeing UFOs?

Astronomers, the group that spends the most amount of time staring at the sky, and also happen to know the most about what's going on up there.

 

[Spider-Who?]

Um, we don't live in an infinite Universe. The Universe is really, really, really, X 10 big, but it is not infinite. 13 billion light-years as I recall.

This notion always blows my mind. What the heck is the boundary?

 

[moviedoors]

This notion always blows my mind. What the heck is the boundary?

There isn't really a boundary. To the best of our knowledge, the universe is curved. You can never reach the edge. Think of it like a ship on the ocean of the Earth. You can go around and around and around and never reach the edge, but it's certainly not an infinite object (unless you're going to invoke quantum physics, but let's not go there). The Universe is the same way. The Earth example is a 2-D example, the Universe is a 3-D one. It's an idea that's more or less impossible to hold in your head. No one came to this conclusion because of intuition, it's just how the observations and the math works out.

So, if you got in a ship and just started flying straight forward, given enough time you would go in a loop, end up right back where you started. That is if the expansion of the universe (inflation) didn't make that impossible (that is, even if you could go the speed of light, you'd never catch up to the speed of expansion. There's a limit on how fast anything can go, and that's light speed, but that's only within the contents of spacetime, and spacetime itself is expanding faster than light can catch up. So, you actually couldn't do a loop in the universe because you're bound by spacetime)

 

[LOBO3315a]

*brain explodes*

Yeah, that's what I was trying to say.

 

[Matt]

Anyone who believes aliens are impossible is simply not looking at the facts.

We are in an infinite universe, made up of an infinite about of solar systems that have many many planets orbiting them... The idea that there CAN'T be any life on them is just a bit silly really.

When it comes to knowing whether or not they have crossed our paths... Well I'm skeptical, but I can certainly logically see that in that infinite amount of planets there could be at least one with life intelligent enough to get here, and it's possible there might be a logical reason for them to want to.

Basically I just think denying the existence of aliens is like a form of arrogance. We are the only intelligent life. This is the only planet in the whole universe to have formed it... It's just very unrealistic.

I've said this a million times and it always goes over heads. Size of the universe is not proof of alien life. You cannot make that assertion until you know the variable of what causes life to form and then evolve. Life evolving to the level of human beings, dogs, insects, etc may be entirely common or it may be a one in a trillion freak occurence that only happened on Earth. Until we know that variable it is impossible to say whether we are alone or not, no matter how big the universe is.

 

[Spider-Who?]

I kid you not.

 

[Matt]

 

[Kane52630]

I kid you not.

 

[Immortalfire]

Thread Bot is without question, an alien invader.

Size of the universe is not proof of alien life.

Thank you.