Discussion: Evolution

[Won '08]

HEY!!!! When they find the half monkey man that is the supposed lost link to apes and humans, then I will believe in evolution. I believe in adaptation, not evolution.

Thats what evolution is. Adaption. Adaption to continue the survival of a species. Evolution. Evolve or Die.

 

[Maxwell Smart]

Thats what evolution is. Adaption. Adaption to continue the survival of a species. Evolution. Evolve or Die.

He might be trying to say that he believes in micro evolution but not macro evolution.


Anywho, this isn't EXACTLY the right thread for this but I've thought of becoming a Christian lately and i wanted to say thats not really affecting my beliefs in science at all.

 

[PWN3R]

Thats what evolution is. Adaption. Adaption to continue the survival of a species. Evolution. Evolve or Die.

Changing from one species into a completely different species is not adaption.

 

[Maxwell Smart]

Changing from one species into a completely different species is not adaption.

Actually kids what we're dealing with here is a common misconception.

Evolution as a term does not specifically mean changing from one species into another.

There are two types of evolution, one is macroevolution(can you say macroevolution?), which is one species evolving into a completely different species. Then you have microevolution, which is a species developing new traits for survival, but still remaining the same species.

*the "More You know" star flies by*

 

[PWN3R]

Some people also refer to it as "Vertical" and "Horizontal" Evolution.

 

[Won '08]

Actually kids what we're dealing with here is a common misconception.

Evolution as a term does not specifically mean changing from one species into another.

There are two types of evolution, one is macroevolution(can you say macroevolution?), which is one species evolving into a completely different species. Then you have microevolution, which is a species developing new traits for survival, but still remaining the same species.

*the "More You know" star flies by*

 

[PWN3R]

As anyone asked why are there still monkeys left yet?:P

 

[Won '08]

As anyone asked why are there still monkeys left yet?:P

Why would anyone ask that?

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Actually kids what we're dealing with here is a common misconception.

Evolution as a term does not specifically mean changing from one species into another.

There are two types of evolution, one is macroevolution(can you say macroevolution?), which is one species evolving into a completely different species. Then you have microevolution, which is a species developing new traits for survival, but still remaining the same species.

*the "More You know" star flies by*

I kinda love how dumb this forum views evolution and creationism. It's absolutely great. The lack of info that they try to apply to make things work, it's astounding. I truly love it.

 

[Lighthouse]

Gentleman, sooner or later you will all have to except that this is where the birth of humanity comes from.

 

[ScottyBBadd]

Evolution can't be totally proven. I disagree that there is any absolute proof that evolution can proven...too many "missing links". Prove otherwise.

 

[Spider-Who?]

As anyone asked why are there still monkeys left yet?:P

yeah, right?

common sense would dictate that all of our current flora and fauna are very secure in their current state, with no signs of evolution, or even much adaptation (changing how they act/where they live, etc not being counted).

Why wouldnt they be in a stage of evolution right now? We know that they arent, simply by cross checking with their species from thousands of years ago. Exactly the same.

I do believe that a speices can and will ADAPT to their changing environment as best they can, but changing from one species to another on the molecular level? no.

Scientists say (in its simplest form) that evolution is the the result of genetic mutation over so many generations. Okay...but look at every single mutation in every species in documented history; said mutations have no positive effect on the animal and very often, it does not reproduce - in fact, most likely dies before even having the chance to. Go evolution, huh?

 

[Halcohol]

Evolution can't be totally proven. I disagree that there is any absolute proof that evolution can proven...too many "missing links". Prove otherwise.

I hate this thread.

As anyone asked why are there still monkeys left yet?:P

I hate this thread a little less.

 

[Joker]

yeah, right?

common sense would dictate that all of our current flora and fauna are very secure in their current state, with no signs of evolution, or even much adaptation (changing how they act/where they live, etc not being counted).

Why wouldnt they be in a stage of evolution right now? We know that they arent, simply by cross checking with their species from thousands of years ago. Exactly the same.

I do believe that a speices can and will ADAPT to their changing environment as best they can, but changing from one species to another on the molecular level? no.

Scientists say (in its simplest form) that evolution is the the result of genetic mutation over so many generations. Okay...but look at every single mutation in every species in documented history; said mutations have no positive effect on the animal and very often, it does not reproduce - in fact, most likely dies before even having the chance to. Go evolution, huh?

yes, from thousands of years ago they're nearly identical...good point, if evolution didnt take MILLIONS of years to be noticable and all

 

[Turtle-Man]

All I can say about this topic:

*Animated image*

 

[Fried Gold]

common sense would dictate that all of our current flora and fauna are very secure in their current state, with no signs of evolution, or even much adaptation

Common sense would also dictate that a beared man did not create the world in 6 days, with some extrememly advanced LEGO.

 

[Danger Mouse]

I am renaming this thread. Please note that I will not tolerate any more threads regarding this topic. If you have something to say for or against it, you may do so here.

Thank you.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

While I know that it seems like a trivial point, the creation of a bone deposit that fits uniquely in the manner of the Knee cap requires the complete realignment of the muscles, fascia, tendons and ligaments of the leg.

I have to admit.

I'm bored.
I wasn't even going to respond to this thread anymore because frankly.
it's dumb.
it's a dumb debate.
for the benefit of everyone, Siva misrepresented his stance.
evolution is NOT fact. it's a theory.
creationism is NOT a theory, it's a neat little story.
you know why? because the people that believe in it get awful selective when it's convenient.
why do I say this? am I being callous? Is my evil heathen/atheist/agnostic heart beating with the insolence only those that haven't taken the 4 minutes that watching Spider-who?'s ubber stupid video are known to have?

no.
it's as follows.
the theory of evolution is based upon the observation of the natural process and also the anatomic adaptations as well as the adpations of OTHER aspects of a given living organism when in an environment.
now this, for some reason gets the creationists dander up.
I have no idea why they'd rather have such a mindblowiingly simplistic god rather than one that being omnipotent/omnipresent and eternal can afford to spend a few billion years waiting for his creation to come to frution.
no, he did it in a week.
and got tired doing it.
God....god! got "tuckered out"making the universe.
now, this is infact an unfortunate series of events that has brought us to question Evolution as a theory and accept the possibility that we were made out of clay.
now, how does this relate to the post I quoted.
see...the idea that the kneecap is somehow evidence of divine creation because of it's uniqueness then...please explain the following.

why DO we need kneecaps anyway?

seems to me that since god created everything and is in control of everything , like gravity (intelligent falling anyone?) the whole system of bones, miles of veins a heart, DNA, and stuff like that seem a little dumb.
I mean, what's the point? seriously?
why would god create something so intricate in everybeing when we could all just be filled with Pixie dust?
I mean, to some people It might indicate that if indeed there is a creator he might be working in somewhat of a grander scale than what we could fathom, something more like evolution, and less like pottery class.
but then, that's just me, maybe.....
key fact though, Monkeys and Primates are not exactly the same thing.
just so we're all clear.
I think that should be you know? Important.
for that matter why would god create people with mental disabilities? how do they fit in his perfect creation? since we are made in his image, is god slightly asian looking?
perhaps.
also, if we all come from adam and eve, could someone explain Races to me?
what are their use in god's plan? because seems that race is pretty useless unless god's mean and was just looking for ways for people to get upset with each other.
oh, while you're explaining race to me, mind explaining viruses and sickness as well? (since they mutate and seem to ....evolve , evey once in a while)
is that god's "population control" If so, are vaccines an abomination unto the lord?
just wondering.
oh, and what is perhaps to me the greatest hypocrisy.
why is science only the right way when you guys get sick?
that one I never seem to get, you know, I hear all this big talk from creationists, but I'm sure if they felt sick they'd be on their way to their doctors and not their priests.
so...yeah...if science is sooo unproven, why is that? just, you know? pray the sickness away.

again, just wondering is all.

 

[Lighthouse]

Personally I think we're all descended from gloworms.

 

[Halcohol]

yes, from thousands of years ago they're nearly identical...good point, if evolution didnt take MILLIONS of years to be noticable and all

The scientific method and intense botanical and zoological surveys have only existed for the last, say, 300 years. It's not likely that ANYTHING has evolved noticeably over that period. The average pigeon might be 1.3 grams heavier than it was in 1800, however.

Keep in mind that Homo sapiens have existed as a definitive species for the past 200,000 years. Before that, there's plenty of evidence of the evolution of our genus including the Neanderthals up to Homo erectus. It's not like the Neanderthals made detailed scientific records of the evolution of a genome.

How does the creationist theory jive with the fossil finds of proto-humans?

 

[Fried Gold]

How does the creationist theory jive with the fossil finds of proto-humans?

Didn't you hear? They were planted there by God to test our faith.

 

[Halcohol]

Personally I think we're all descended from gloworms.

Holy hell I used to have one of those as a kid, but I totally forgot about it until now.

 

[Lighthouse]

Holy hell I used to have one of those as a kid, but I totally forgot about it until now.

Still got mine in my closet next to my Teddy Ruxpin.

 

[Spider-Who?]

Hey Mr Sparkle, whats with the low blow to my "uberstupid video"? funny, i'd like to see you draw even one of those stupid frames.

 

[Spider-Who?]

yes, from thousands of years ago they're nearly identical...good point, if evolution didnt take MILLIONS of years to be noticable and all

good point. lets say we look at the shark. millions of years ago, it was exactly the same. and yet, wouldnt you think the shark would have developed a way to protect its gills (the achiles heel to them?).

or what about the polar bear? it spends so much time in the water, why hasnt it developed a blow hole, gills, flippers, etc to give it the ability to be even more effective in the water?

and what about that fish, (i apologize, i forget its name - the ceta-somethin; the one scientists said died out millions of years ago and recently found alive), that fish hasnt changed at all when compared to its fossils.

the list goes on, i'm sure.