Discussion: Evolution

[mightiest_mortal]

There is this stupid stereotype that atheists have(I'm not saying all atheists) that everybody who doesn't share their belief must be stupider than them and are brainwashed.

Funny you should say that

 

[mightiest_mortal]

Personally, I think we hitched a ride on one of the meteors that killed the dinosaurs and we grew from that. I'm also not ruling out that there maybe, in a sense, "souls" in every living thing (some kind of energy source). But thats just my opinion.

Hmmmm.... I think theres plenty of proof to show that we evolved over time, but I have thought about the meteor thing as a possible first cause of life. (im not entirely convinced by the primordial soup) but it doesnt really answer the question and just transfers the answer to somewhere else. Il wait for someone else to come up with another possible answer.
Also quite liked the idea of personal energy (chi energy/auras) being a soul i guess. We need someone to do some better research into Kirlian photography to prove/disprove it as an idea.

 

[Mike_D202]

Did you read what I wrote? We didn't just pop up over night. The hair didn't just fall off our backs. We evolved into what we are today through many SMALL, TINY, GRADUAL steps, over millions of years.

And yes, we did have help achieving our current state: Natural Selection. But natural selection is not a supernatural guiding force. It is a completely natural mechanism, and is very simple to understand: animals with characteristics that suit their environment will survive, while animals that do not suit their environment will die out. Environments are not static, they change over time, and thus animals change over time as well.

Well we are a VERY lucky species then.

 

[Dangerous]

True.

 

[Ice-man]

ok do you wana know how humans came about, many years ago when the earth was formed, a meteor came down and hit earth, that meteor had micro organisms and bactira, they lived because of our clean air, trees, and water, exectra.

they grew, they evolved in water, they made offspring. these micro organisms than became aquatic animals. some how, one of them managed to get on land, and some how learned to breath. many years later, his off spring was able to breath air as well, and they also grew legs and arms. many many years later more an more animals came on land, they grew and evolved, and than, we have dinosaurs.

also, many years later, some animals lived, these were monkeys. it tooks hundres or thousands of uears for them to eveolve into almost human like creatures.

yada yada yada, we got smarter, we buitl, we hunted, we developed technology.

and that led us to today,

 

[Darthphere]

Where did the meteor come from?

 

[mightiest_mortal]

Where did the meteor come from?

The future

 

[Darthphere]

Nice answer. No, but really, where did it come from, and before that how was the Earth created?

If its a fact, the answer should be easy to come about.

 

[Ice-man]

^ no body rly knows for sure.


some, actually thought it was from mars, because mars, was exactly like earth at one point, and they think the organisms came from there, beacuse they found similer organisms and bacteria on the metorite that came from there recently.


and they also think there may have been intelagent life on mars, they found pyramids and citys. and caves that lead underground.


so maybe life there died out, or they moved underground. the mars lander cought a black object cross in front of the cameras view.

could it be aliens?

 

[Darthphere]

So if nobody really knows for sure, then its a theory.

 

[Ice-man]

Nice answer. No, but really, where did it come from, and before that how was the Earth created?

If its a fact, the answer should be easy to come about.

the earth was created by stars. when close by stars blew up, the star dust scatterd about. than the star dust fused with rock, and sedaments, and "space junk" scientst call it that.

so overtime, it forms another a planet like object, it collects more rock, and seadamints, and starts to rotate, faster and faster, when more rock and sedaments atrach it smooths out becuse of the gravity. think of it like potery, spinning on the wheel.

so overtime it keeps going, and our planets forms an atmosphere. the first ever rain lasted years, filling up oceans. lakes. rivers. salt rose from rocks at the bottom, and thats why we have salt water

grass started growing, trees started growing.


no body can know 100% how the earth came about, but ehh thats the best i can do to explain.

 

[mightiest_mortal]

grass started growing, trees started growing.

Grass and plants are organic, so theyd have to have come down with the comet too.

 

[Super Kal]

the earth was created by stars. when close by stars blew up, the star dust scattered about. than the star dust fused with rock, and sediments, and "space junk" scientist call it that.

so overtime, it forms another a planet like object, it collects more rock, and sediments, and starts to rotate, faster and faster, when more rock and sediments attach it smooths out because of the gravity. think of it like poetry, spinning on the wheel.

so overtime it keeps going, and our planets forms an atmosphere. the first ever rain lasted years, filling up oceans. lakes. rivers. salt rose from rocks at the bottom, and thats why we have salt water

grass started growing, trees started growing.


no body can know 100% how the earth came about, but ehh thats the best i can do to explain.

where did those stars come from?...

you can't create something from nothing. You put a broken clock in a bag and leave it there for a million years, it's still gonna be a broken clock.

 

[Ice-man]

So if nobody really knows for sure, then its a theory.

evertything we couldnt figure out is a theory. we werent there to witness the birth of our planet. so we dont know all we have are educated guesses. we try to run tests and we did figure alot out, but we honestly dont know if its true.

thats why our telascopes, are always on the wach for planets being born, we did find one planet though. hopefully it will give us a clue to how our planet came about.


edit. i just found this.


Astronomers find planets 'being formed'

Radio image of dust disc showing gap at centre




Astronomers have obtained the first pictures of huge dust discs circling two of the brightest stars in the sky. The images may reveal that the formation of planetary systems around stars may be more common than previously believed. Our science correspondent David Whitehouse reports.

Astronomers have made two discoveries that may shed light on the number of planetary systems orbiting other stars.
It is believed the planets circling our Sun were formed out of a disc of dust. Clumps formed in the ring of debris and grew to become planets.
Astronomers may now be seeing this process in action around other stars.

A very young star called HR 4796A


A British and American team has used the James Clerk Maxwell radio telescope at the Mauna Kea Observatory in Hawaii to look at some bright stars. Mounted high on an extinct volcano, the scientists have a clear view of the stars.
When it was turned towards Fomalhaut, a 200 million-year-old star, it detected radiation from an orbiting dust ring. But the astronomers were excited most by what appears to be a gap in the disc near the star.


One explanation is that the dust in the disc's central region has formed planets. And, according to Wayne Holland and Jane Greaves, the dust disk around Fomalhaut is similar to one that circled the Sun before its planets were born.


Meanwhile, a team of astronomers working at observatories in Chile and Hawaii believe they have detected a planetary system in the act of being born around a very young star called HR 4796A.
The last few years have seen a revolution in the understanding about the number of planets that may circle other stars. As well as the observations reported here, astronomers have detected evidence for large planets circling many of the closest stars to the Sun.
The universe seems to be teeming with planets, giving scientists hope that some form of life may have developed elsewhere in space.

 

[Ice-man]

Grass and plants are organic, so theyd have to have come down with the comet too.

yea i know, everything came from somware, it didnt just appear.

 

[Super Kal]

evertything we couldnt figure out is a theory.

but, this thread states that it's a scientific fact... now it's part fact, part theory?

doesn't sound too convincing to me...

 

[Eros]

so we have no idea where we[and the universe] come from at all.

 

[Super Kal]

so we have no idea where we[and the universe] come from at all.

so how can you say evolution is a scientific fact?

 

[Ice-man]

oh also i left out, there were 1-2 earths before ours. whic can also explain ware more of our things came from. meaning trees plants n such.

eath one died out billions of years ago.

earyh two, was thought to be mars. and evidnce proves this to be true.

and now earth 3. ware we now live.

 

[Eros]

so how can you say evolution is a scientific fact?

I never said that, i beleive in a higher power.

 

[mightiest_mortal]

well, evolution is fact not theory of how we got to what we are today.... it doesnt explain the origin of the universe or even of life itself.
The actual origin of life part is still up for debate as there hasnt been a theory that everyone agrees on comepletely just yet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_life

Makes an interesting read.

 

[Eros]

oh also i left out, there were 1-2 earths before ours. whic can also explain ware more of our things came from. meaning trees plants n such.

eath one died out billions of years ago.

earyh two, was thought to be mars. and evidnce proves this to be true.

and now earth 3. ware we now live.

That sounds very impossible.

 

[Super Kal]

I never said that, i beleive in a higher power.

lol, oops... gettin a little lost here.

 

[Ice-man]

so how can you say evolution is a scientific fact?

evolution is a fact, we see it happen all the time.

but ware all life came from, and how we evolved, is a thoery. theres actually several theoris.

one day well all know.

 

[Super Kal]

evolution is a fact, we see it happen all the time.

but ware all life came from, and how we evolved, is a thoery. theres actually several theoris.

one day well all know.

okay, I can agree with that. "evolution" on a small scale does happen every, so yes I agree.