Discussion: FOX News II

[redfirebird2008]

With something as serious as this, I hope a full investigation is conducted.

Secret Service will likely investigate it.

 

[8wid]

What's it preventing? FOX will "mistakenly" make that report on its own someday anyway, and more people will believe it.

 

[Marx]

I did read that the Secret Service is, in fact, conducting a full investigation over the hacking.

 

[Paradoxium]

Get rid of James Murdoch and this will make my day. t:

 

[DACrowe]

So, this scandal that has destroyed News of the World (Murdoch's first paper), the SkyB deal that was months away from finalization (NewsCorp's biggest acquisition in a decade), is leading to the Sun to being implicated and has caused Murdoch to lose the support of the Tories (something once unthinkable) is coming to the US.

They're now investigating NewsCorp's American branches over the hacking scandal. If they got Fox News, it'd make my day.

 

[Marx]

FOX NEWS HOST: I DON'T REMEMBER ANY ATTACKS ON AMERICAN SOIL DURING BUSH'S PRESIDENCY
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/14/eric-bolling-terrorist-attacks-bush_n_898135.html

...and NO ONE challenged him on it! Talk about revisionist history...

 

[DoomsdayApex]

FOX NEWS HOST: I DON'T REMEMBER ANY ATTACKS ON AMERICAN SOIL DURING BUSH'S PRESIDENCY
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/14/eric-bolling-terrorist-attacks-bush_n_898135.html

...and NO ONE challenged him on it! Talk about revisionist history...

I think this calls for the Tactical Facepalm...

 

[DACrowe]

I also saw on the link this guy said when Obama invited a "hoodlum in his hizziouse."

Fox News's standards are impeccable. Impeccably awful, that is.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I also saw on the link this guy said when Obama invited a "hoodlum in his hizziouse."

Fox News's standards are impeccable. Impeccably awful, that is.

You should see how they treated me when I happened to mention I was an intern from DemocracyNow!

I actually tried to look past the 'news' *COUGHS entertainment & political hackery COUGHS* part of FOX News -- to conduct a serious interview with Chris Wallace about FOX News' [unbiased] stance in the political spectrum.

At the conclusion of the interview, my education (and intelligence level) was called into question. Ironic, considering they hold Michelle Bachmann and Sarah Palin in such high regard

 

[Kelly]

I'm not necessarily saying ANY of the above is wrong, or that Fox was right, etc...

But, I've heard several people that have said "no attacks on US soil in Bush's Presidency" before....and they have been called on it, and when they explained what they meant....they meant post 9/11. 9/11 was such a huge, huge part of our history, that it is now one of the cornerstones of our history that all other historical events moves on from.....I don't necessarily think that the people that have said this are "stupid" or "revisionists" I certainly do not think that Dana Perino is a revisionist, she seems like a very thoughtful, intelligent, pretty level headed woman...and she herself has said this, but when questioned further, that is what she meant....that pretty much now, everything that has to do with terrorism, is set by the historical measure of 9/11. Just something to think about....

 

[DACrowe]

That is a claim many made when the underwear bomber almost blew up a plane on Christmas in 2009. Mind you the exact same thing happened with the shoe bomber on Bush's watch after 9/11. I don't blame either president for either, but that is certainly revisionist history we are seeing.

 

[Kelly]

Both of those were major mishaps with procedures at the airports where those guys got on, but neither were able to follow through which makes them very different from 9/11.

We are a different country after 9/11....I know I am a different passenger on airplaines....most are, and it was that difference that stopped those 2 examples you gave. Since 9/11, no revisionist history to it, we have not had a terrorist attack until the guy who shot all the people on the army base in Texas. Near attacks? yes.....I will agree with that...

 

[DACrowe]

I think we've seen a multitude of revisionism though in regards to the Bush Administration. I recall after bin Laden died how they came out of the woodwork to take credit for it and Jon Stewart did a piece called "Cheney's Eleven" and it was pretty funny. I also notice how since the rise of the Tea Party there has been a movement by the GOP from the grassroots level and upwards to disassociate itself from those policies. I can't tell you how many Tea Partiers I've seen who deny ever having voted and/or supported Bush, especially his invasion in Iraq and his reckless spending. Yet, I know almost all of them did vote for Bush, did defend going to war and were likely the ones who said things like "Love it or leave it" or "You should trust the president after 9/11." Now they claim he is a progressive in the vein of Obama or Lyndon Johnson.

That is stupid revisionism, if I've ever seen it.

 

[StorminNorman]

That's understandable though.

I mean many became cynical of government because of Bush. As a Republican, they grew up with Reagan, who they saw as awesome, and then had a short four years of Bush that consisted mainly of a successful war effort. Yes, he had the whole tax issue - but there wasn't anything as drastic as WMD failure. That was followed by Clinton, and it is always easy to hate the opposing party.

But then we had Bush. And Bush was trusted by most Republicans and given eight years. In the end, he wrapped up a gigantic budget and left the country with 2008, bailing out banks.

There is nothing faulty about intellectual growth. Now is that the case for everyone? No. There is a lot of partisanship (you know, the same type that had people on the left call Bush a fascist, but are still willing to support Obama) - but for many people, there was an actual awakening.

And it is not that people are "claiming" that Bush is a progressive like LBJ or Obama - it is that they are REALIZING he is.

 

[Quetzal]

The News of the World closed after revelations of hacking, corruption, political bribery and more
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/20...-allegations-against-british-tabloid-editors/

FBI to launch investigation into Murdoch along with Scotland Yard to see if any of this crossed the Atlantic
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpps/ne...p-hacking-scandal-dpgapx-20110714-ch_14128041

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

Both of those were major mishaps with procedures at the airports where those guys got on, but neither were able to follow through which makes them very different from 9/11.

We are a different country after 9/11....I know I am a different passenger on airplaines....most are, and it was that difference that stopped those 2 examples you gave. Since 9/11, no revisionist history to it, we have not had a terrorist attack until the guy who shot all the people on the army base in Texas. Near attacks? yes.....I will agree with that...

The Fort Hood shooter was not a member of Al Qaeda. He was inspired by Al Qaeda. If you're counting acts of terror from those inspired by Al Qaeda and the like, then you should include this guy who went to the El Al counter at LAX on July 4th, 2002 and started shooting as many Israeli airline employees as he could, killing two. That is just as legitimate as including the Fort Hood shooter.

EDIT: Even the FBI and DOJ said it was a "terrorist act." From the Wikipedia site.

Official designation as a terrorist act

Initially, Hadayet's shooting was considered an "isolated incident"[1]. However, in September 2002, federal investigators concluded that Hadayet hoped to influence U.S. government policy in favor of the Palestinians, and that the incident was a terrorist act.[2][3]
In April 2003, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Department of Justice confirmed the earlier conclusion that the incident fit the definition of terrorism.[3]

 

[chamber-music]

So, this scandal that has destroyed News of the World (Murdoch's first paper), the SkyB deal that was months away from finalization (NewsCorp's biggest acquisition in a decade), is leading to the Sun to being implicated and has caused Murdoch to lose the support of the Tories (something once unthinkable) is coming to the US.

They're now investigating NewsCorp's American branches over the hacking scandal. If they got Fox News, it'd make my day.

Not just that The politicians have been cozy with Murdoch and Newscorp for decades. He was seen as a kingmaker who you had to get in bed with to become prime minister and win an election this was based on a myth that his paper The Sun persuaded general public to vote for the conservative Tories instead which was BS.

All three of the major political leaders joined forces against Murdoch which is unheard off because Politicians used to be terrified by him and his media empire. His papers would have reporters go after any politican who challenged his media groups by digging up any dirt he could find and destroying there career. It was like a protection racket.

His Journalists also bribed police which is obviously illegal, hacked peoples phones and claimed private information like bank details and health records through fraud.

Murdoch already controlled a big slice of Britains media and if he had got the BSkyB bid he would of controlled most of it. Part of the deal was selling Sky News so he wouldn't have so much news media control. He has also been lobbying hard for decades to see the BBC made smaller as he hates the BBC even though his not even a citzen of Britain so doesn't pay for it.

 

[DACrowe]

Colbert rips NewsCorp, Murdoch and Fox a new one:

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-co...rdoch-s-media-empire-might-go-down-the-toilet

Great stuff.

 

[Kane52630]

^Best voice messages ever.

 

[Shifty]

Oh Doocy...
'Fox And Friends' Defends News Corp. In Phone Hacking Scandal
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[terry78]

These people are morons.

 

[DACrowe]

So....Citigroup gets hacked and is a victim of cybertheft....NewsCorp. hacks into the personal phones, e-mails and computers of 9/11 victims, London bombing victims, murdered children, celebrities and the UK's national leaders over 4,000 times over a number of years (that we just know of....so far)....and they're morally equivalent?



My heart goes out to Doocy. Lord knows that Fox knows nothing of manufactured outrage, 48-hour scandals "crises," or "piling on." Except this is a big deal and at the very least examples of one of the six media conglomerates of the US has committed felonies (bribing foreign officials qualifies as a crime in the US). If this is their first line of defense, the "Let's not bring it up," bubble Ailes put over the network last week seemed less damaging. Oh well.

 

[Marx]

Oh Doocy...
'Fox And Friends' Defends News Corp. In Phone Hacking Scandal
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[chamber-music]

What an idiot. The reason this keeps going on and on is because Newscorp tried to fight and ignore it for the past 5 years claiming it was one rogue reporter when in fact it was an entire culture at the newspaper. The chief of the investigation at scotland yard said Newscorp only started cooperating recentley and they have up to 4000 names of people who may have been hacked.

If newscorp just admitted it and say who they had been hacking it wouldn't of dragged out so long.

Plus they bribed police officers which is illegal.

 

[obin_gam]

Rupert Murdoch writes letter: "We're sorry"
http://www.deadline.com/2011/07/rup...-serious-wrongdoing-in-phone-hacking-scandal/