Discussion: Global Warming, Emission Standards, and Other Environmental Issues

[Marx]

Do fish eat oil? Cause that would really help.

I'm pretty sure oil gives fish a certain case of death. The fishing industry in the gulf is going to be destroyed for a very long time.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

It just completely shocks me that people can think that we as man have no to negligible affect on our environment.

There are some articles from scientists who argue this. And then you have scientists who cover up contradicting evidence.

Personally, I believe George Carlin when he said, "The planet is fine. The people are f*****."

According to the AP, the Gulf oil spill clean up could last years.

Mind posting the article? I'd like to know what they're basing this off of.

 

[Gamma Ray]

I'm pretty sure oil gives fish a certain case of death. The fishing industry in the gulf is going to be destroyed for a very long time.

If I still had my aquarium I'd definitely test this theory.

 

[Marx]

Mind posting the article? I'd like to know what they're basing this off of.

COAST GUARD ADMIRAL ALLEN: GULF DISASTER CLEANUP 'TO TAKE YEARS'
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/06/07/gulf.oil.spill/index.html?hpt=T1

 

[Carcharodon]

Personally, I believe George Carlin when he said, "The planet is fine. The people are f*****."

It would be nice to believe that only people are affected by our decisions. Unfortunately, I have a brain, and I like to use it.

 

[chaseter]

Do fish eat oil? Cause that would really help.

No but there is an oil eating bacteria

I remember reading about this years ago but those damn scientists and their evil powers
http://www.biotechnologyonline.gov.au/pdf/enviro/oileating_bacteria.pdf

 

[LastSunrise1981]

What happened is inexcusable and only further proves that have officials and corporations that are clearly incompetent. We have elected public officials to do the right thing and it's more obvious now that it's about power, money, and greed for them.

To think of all the animals that are dying or have died because of this spill, the lack of resources due to the contaminated waters, and as someone mentioned the heavy damage that the fishing industry is going to endure shows it's time for us to start holding these politicians, corporations, and their friends accountable for their actions.

We have let them continually twindle their thumbs and try to distract us from the real issues. The real issue is I firmly believe this was done in order to try and cause panic, fear, and chaos. When will the American people start holding these guys accountable? I am talking about all politicians, all big oil companies, and of course themselves for letting these corporate scum destroy everything.

 

[Marx]

FEDS CONFIRM EXISTENCE OF UNDERWATER OIL PLUMES
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/06/08/gulf.oil.spill/index.html?hpt=T2

...it's now been independently and federally confirmed. Let's see if BP's CEO continues to deny it.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

It would be nice to believe that only people are affected by our decisions. Unfortunately, I have a brain, and I like to use it.

That is unfortunate.

 

[Morg]

BP bankruptcy ahead? Rivals 'licking their chops'
Tue Jun 8, 2:40 pm ET

Some have wondered whether BP can financially survive the disaster in the Gulf. Sure, the oil giant is a diverse, international money-making machine, but the Guardian reported Monday that BP had already spent $1.25 billion seven weeks into the oil spill, with no clear end in sight. The company will be dealing with an avalanche of lawsuits for years (a New Orleans attorney told me she expects that some local law school grads will spend the bulk of their careers working on spill-related cases) and the company's stock recently nose-dived. In spite of all this, BP CEO Tony Hayward has repeatedly insisted that his company will see the disaster through until the Gulf Coast is "made whole" again.

But New York Times financial reporter Andrew Ross Sorkin notes that many industry watchers doubt BP can survive. Rivals Exxon and Shell are already circling like buzzards in anticipation that the company may stagger into oblivion. Or, as Sorkin puts it, they're "licking their chops" hoping to acquire a BP in bankruptcy: "Flinty legal minds are dreaming up scenarios in which BP would file a prepackaged bankruptcy and separate the costs of the cleanup — and potentially billions of dollars in legal claims — into a separate corporate entity."

Sorkin reckons that the company's legal liability and long-term cleanup costs could work out to a red-ink tally of $15 billion to $40 billion. He writes: "The company has about $12 billion in cash and short-term investments, but there is already a debate about whether it should cut its dividend out of fear that it could run out of money. Of course, it could sell assets or seek loans, which in this environment is still not that easy."

Sorkin notes that Wall Streeters are already talking about a "Texaco scenario" — a buyout from an industry rival akin to the deal struck allowing Pennzoil to take over Texaco after the former firm won a multibillion-dollar jury verdict against the latter in a dispute over the sale of Getty Oil. But that was the outcome of a bare-knuckled clash of corporate chieftains, and the BP catastrophe probably won't produce any such dramatic resolution overnight. After all, Exxon — the company responsible for the Alaska Valdez disaster, which had formerly been the largest oil spill in U.S. history — is now the most profitable and highest-capitalized corporation in the country.

— Brett Michael Dykes is a national affairs writer for Yahoo! News.

Be interesting what happens in a year or two for BP

 

[Donut]

Gulf oil leak may be bigger than BP says

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_gulf_oil_spill

 

[Alex The Great]

FEDS CONFIRM EXISTENCE OF UNDERWATER OIL PLUMES
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/06/08/gulf.oil.spill/index.html?hpt=T2

...it's now been independently and federally confirmed. Let's see if BP's CEO continues to deny it.

He probably will, just so he can get his life back

 

[Marx]

He probably will, just so he can get his life back

It wouldn't surprise me...the man is completely incompetent.

 

[Marx]

Did anyone else see the story from Reuters about BP supposedly planning to donate all of the proceeds from the captured oil in the Gulf to a wildlife rehab?

 

[chaseter]

If BP doesn't cap this spill soon, it will need that money to keep its company afloat.

 

[Marx]

According to the AP, BP's COO Doug Suttles again denied the existence of underwater oil plumes. He went on to say, in a 'Today' show interview today, that it 'may be down to how you define an oil plume'.

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[Donut]

Gulf oil drilling paused, not stopped

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100609/ap_on_bi_ge/us_oil_spill_washington

 

[Tao43]

I'm curious as to what everyone here thinks is Transocean LTD's culpability in the disaster is? It was their rig and their workers operating it. BP only leased the rig. A co-worker's daughter is friends with a Transocean worker assinged to the Deepwater Horizon ( which was awarded a safety award just last year by the US Department of the Interior),who was told by them to keep his mouth shut and not talk to the press at all. He happened to be on a two week off period when the explosion occured.

So who really is to blame here? BP leases the rig and buys the oil rights for that area. Transocean maintains and operates the rig with the intent of finishing quickly to recieve a bonus (that's the way it works in the oil industry. Ex-father-in-law is in the business).

So, who's fault is it?

 

[StorminNorman]

Just got a job with the oil cleanup in Bay County, FL.

 

[Alastor]

Nice. Stay safe and clean.

 

[Marx]

BP 'APOLOGY' AD NOT AIRING IN GULF STATES
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/09/bp-ad-airing-only-on-cabl_n_605963.html

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...so you're apologizing on a national level, but not airing your message directly to the people most affected by your incompetence?

 

[Marx]

Just got a job with the oil cleanup in Bay County, FL.

That's great man! As Alastor said, stay safe and stay clean!

 

[Raiden]

Just got a job with the oil cleanup in Bay County, FL.

Congrats!

 

[StorminNorman]

Nice. Stay safe and clean.

That's great man! As Alastor said, stay safe and stay clean!

I'll certainly try. Start my 40 hour Hazmat (or, in this case, Hazwoper) Certification class on Saturday.

BP 'APOLOGY' AD NOT AIRING IN GULF STATES
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/09/bp-ad-airing-only-on-cabl_n_605963.html

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...so you're apologizing on a national level, but not airing your message directly to the people most affected by your incompetence?

I saw this ad last night after driving up to Panama City, Fl.

 

[Nivek]

No but there is an oil eating bacteria

I remember reading about this years ago but those damn scientists and their evil powers
http://www.biotechnologyonline.gov.au/pdf/enviro/oileating_bacteria.pdf

Is this the same Bacteria eating all the O2 out of the water, and creating even wider Gulf "Dead Zones" than the plumes themselves?