Discussion: Global Warming, Emission Standards, and Other Environmental Issues

[Grievous]

I honestly don't see how BP will survive this disaster.

They might survive if punks will stop crying and protesting them. I have afew words for any shh memebers that have refused to buy gas from BP because of the spill. GET REAL! Your not fixing the problem your just making it worst because if BP does not have the money to fix it the tax payers will have to pay. Not to mention if BP has to fire some people then you just put a person out of a job! This is all I really feel I need to say about the spill in the gulf and I dare anyone to try to prove that protesting BP is a smart move.

 

[Kelly]

Well, unless Kroger stores get their gasoline from BP....sorry, won't be buying from BP.

 

[Grievous]

Well, unless Kroger stores get their gasoline from BP....sorry, won't be buying from BP.

I understand your reason 100% I'm not saying to go out of your way just to buy gas. But if you have a BP don't try to help them go under!

 

[Marx]

I've always bought gasoline from Speedway.

 

[Kelly]

I understand your reason 100% I'm not saying to go out of your way just to buy gas. But if you have a BP don't try to help them go under!

I don't think they are going to need much help to go under....

 

[Carcharodon]

They might survive if punks will stop crying and protesting them. I have afew words for any shh memebers that have refused to buy gas from BP because of the spill. GET REAL! Your not fixing the problem your just making it worst because if BP does not have the money to fix it the tax payers will have to pay. Not to mention if BP has to fire some people then you just put a person out of a job! This is all I really feel I need to say about the spill in the gulf and I dare anyone to try to prove that protesting BP is a smart move.

I tried to explain this exact point to my girlfriend when she joined that ridiculous "Boycott BP" group of Facebook. It's completely counter-productive to the clean-up effort. If you actually cared about getting the problem fixed, you wouldn't try to hinder the people who are trying to fix it. It's pretty simple.

I'm no fan of BP right now, but I'm also not so impulsive and blinded by my rage that I can't see how illogical that little movement is. Not the way to solve the problem. Not at all.

 

[Kelly]

You boycott BP, IF AFTER ALL OF THIS, they don't change their practices and continue to bypass regulations. But people boycotting now are only hurting those that are waiting on their checks to survive.

 

[Kelly]

Another reason to hate BP is their Lockerbie Bomber connection. Funny how after the release of the "dieing" bomber....(he now is estimated to live another 10 years). Libya needed another big Western company to do deep well drilling off their coast because they don't have the technology. Tony Blair had paid 2 visits to Libya. After the second visit, BP signs an agreement with Libya. AND, a prisoner transfer agreement was a part of that agreement. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....

son of a *****....

 

[StorminNorman]

I boycott BP, while I cash their checks weekly (I forgot what it was like to have four digits in a bank account). I will say that of all the people I have had to deal with during my work: my local contractor, OSHA and BP - BP has been, by far, the most impressive. (Sadly I wish I could claim that OSHA was the worst, but my local contractor strives to fail).

 

[bell110]

Well, imo, this all depends (as far as we are concerned) will hinge on the 2010 election and if Republicans win back the House. BECAUSE....I can see the writing on the wall......Great Britain, comes to the US (they are already in talks) about help in keeping BP going because they own so much of Great Britain's infrastructure, and the US will come to the rescue with billions upon billions, unless the Republicans vote it down.

Just speculation, that I do not usually do....but that is the feeling I'm getting.

I don't think the Republicans will let an oil company go under.

 

[Kelly]

I don't think the Republicans will let an oil company go under.

Exactly what are they going to do about it. If Obama and the democrats don't go for it, what are the Republicans going to do about it?

 

[bell110]

Exactly what are they going to do about it. If Obama and the democrats don't go for it, what are the Republicans going to do about it?

Cry? I don't know. If the dems don't do anything, they'll complain, if the dems do do something, they'll complain that they aren't doing enough. But they aren't going to take the position that BP should fail.

 

[Kelly]

Well, at this point I don't want BP to fail either. BP is a British company, but all of the supporting companies are American. If BP fails, so do all of those companies, many of which had absolutely nothing to do with this oil spill. PLUS, it won't be us that fights for BP not to fail, it will be the British government, and then they will turn to us for help. And we will, with our taxpayer dollars, we will help, and it won't have a thing to do with the Republicans.

 

[Hobgoblin]

Another reason to hate BP is their Lockerbie Bomber connection. Funny how after the release of the "dieing" bomber....(he now is estimated to live another 10 years). Libya needed another big Western company to do deep well drilling off their coast because they don't have the technology. Tony Blair had paid 2 visits to Libya. After the second visit, BP signs an agreement with Libya. AND, a prisoner transfer agreement was a part of that agreement. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....

son of a *****....

Wow.

Here's the story.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6700255.stm

 

[Carcharodon]

I boycott BP, while I cash their checks weekly.

Despite my earlier comment about the futility and backwardness of a general BP boycott, this actually seems somewhat reasonable given that you're contributing directly to the clean-up effort.

I mean, I'm not saying, "Go out of your way to buy BP products to support the clean-up!" or anything like that.

 

[StorminNorman]

I don't think the Republicans will let an oil company go under.

And you think the Democrats will? Both parties are bad at subsidizing failure at the expense of their tax payers.

 

[Marx]

NEW CAP PLACED OVER WELL
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/07/12/gulf.oil.disaster/index.html?hpt=T1

 

[Raiden]

Did BP play a role in the release of a convicted terriorist?

The fact that Abdel Baset al-Megrahi still lives even though his own doctor declared that he had 3 months to live should call for some serious investigation.

 

[VampElvis]

Let's talk about something other than BP for a minute, just a minute, that's all I ask.

Congressman drives 1966 Pontiac GTO, powered by compressed natural gas, up to the steps of the U.S. Capitol

http://blog.al.com/sweethome/2010/07/congressman_drives_1966_pontia.html
Mary Orndorff -- The Birmingham News

Published: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 2:17 PM


Updated: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 4:36 PM

WASHINGTON -- Heads turned outside the U.S. Capitol today when U.S. Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Vestavia Hills, approached the security gate in a cherry red 1966 Pontiac GTO.

The Detroit classic rumbled up Independence Avenue and rolled across the House side of the plaza at the foot of the Capitol steps, which made for a great photo opportunity, but there was also a purpose.


The GTO belonged to Mark McConville of Birmingham, who converted it to run on compressed natural gas. McConville and Keith Barfield drove the four-on-the-floor from California to Chicago on Route 66 earlier this month to draw attention to the alternative fuel, and encourage industry and consumers to take notice.


The car emits 80 percent less carbon monoxide than it's gasoline-powered counterparts, and it's fuel is all-American, McConville said.


"It's about the cleanest muscle car out there," he said.


U.S. Rep. Jeff Miller, R-Fla., leaned out the window of his car and inquired about Bachus' ride. A Capitol Police officer who stopped to inspect it said, "That is awesome!"


The meticulously restored classic was not a billboard for McConville's cause: the only sign it ran on an alternative fuel was a small CNG bumper sticker on back, for compressed natural gas.

 

[Paradoxium]

Pro-Green dude peeved at the "vindications"

Climategate and the Big Green Lie

By way of preamble, let me remind you where I stand on climate change. I think climate science points to a risk that the world needs to take seriously. I think energy policy should be intelligently directed towards mitigating this risk. I am for a carbon tax. I also believe that the Climategate emails revealed, to an extent that surprised even me (and I am difficult to surprise), an ethos of suffocating groupthink and intellectual corruption. The scandal attracted enormous attention in the US, and support for a new energy policy has fallen. In sum, the scientists concerned brought their own discipline into disrepute, and set back the prospects for a better energy policy.

NOTE this preamble.

The Penn State inquiry exonerating Michael Mann -- the paleoclimatologist who came up with "the hockey stick" -- would be difficult to parody. Three of four allegations are dismissed out of hand at the outset: the inquiry announces that, for "lack of credible evidence", it will not even investigate them. (At this, MIT's Richard Lindzen tells the committee, "It's thoroughly amazing. I mean these issues are explicitly stated in the emails. I'm wondering what's going on?" The report continues: "The Investigatory Committee did not respond to Dr Lindzen's statement. Instead, [his] attention was directed to the fourth allegation.") Moving on, the report then says, in effect, that Mann is a distinguished scholar, a successful raiser of research funding, a man admired by his peers -- so any allegation of academic impropriety must be false.

You think I exaggerate?

This level of success in proposing research, and obtaining funding to conduct it, clearly places Dr. Mann among the most respected scientists in his field. Such success would not have been possible had he not met or exceeded the highest standards of his profession for proposing research...

Had Dr. Mann's conduct of his research been outside the range of accepted practices, it would have been impossible for him to receive so many awards and recognitions, which typically involve intense scrutiny from scientists who may or may not agree with his scientific conclusions...

Clearly, Dr. Mann's reporting of his research has been successful and judged to be outstanding by his peers. This would have been impossible had his activities in reporting his work been outside of accepted practices in his field.​

HAHAAHAH WTF is this ****

Further "vindication" of the Climategate emailers was to follow, of course, in Muir Russell's equally probing investigation. To be fair, Russell manages to issue a criticism or two. He says the scientists were sometimes "misleading" -- but without meaning to be (a plea which, in the case of the "trick to hide the decline", is an insult to one's intelligence). On the apparent conspiracy to subvert peer review, it found that the "allegations cannot be upheld" -- but, as the impressively even-handed Fred Pearce of the Guardian notes, this was partly on the grounds that "the roles of CRU scientists and others could not be distinguished from those of colleagues. There was 'team responsibility'." Edward Acton, vice-chancellor of the university which houses CRU, calls this "exoneration".

Economist:

An earlier report on climategate from the House of Commons assumed that a subsequent probe by a panel under Lord Oxburgh, a former academic and chairman of Shell, would deal with the science. The Oxburgh report, though, sought to show only that the science was not fraudulent or systematically flawed, not that it was actually reliable. And nor did Sir Muir, with this third report, think judging the science was his job.

 

[Kelly]

The oil is capped as of now.....they are doing the first test for pressure.

 

[Marx]

The oil is capped as of now.....they are doing the first test for pressure.

Yeah, I just heard it on the local news. They were quick to say it isn't a permanent fix though. Either way, at least the freaking thing has been stopped!

 

[Kelly]

I don't know of anyone who thought it was a permanent fix. That won't happen until the relief wells are finished, which they are saying will be possibly August 19th. And even then that is not necessarily a permanent fix, that won't happen until it is permanently closed. But, as we have found out, there are 1,000s of wells out there that are closed, some more than 40 years old, yet they were not closed in a permanent way. Wow, regulation works doesn't it? *sighs* Regulation works, if those regulating are doing their jobs....I swear EVERYONE should be fired that has ANYTHING to do with watching these oil companies....AND THOSE that are getting retirement for the past 40 years, should get their retirement squished. (well not really, but it would be nice if we could do that....)

 

[Carcharodon]

Pro-Green dude peeved at the "vindications"

Climategate and the Big Green LieNOTE this preamble.


HAHAAHAH WTF is this ****
Economist:

Yeah, it's definitely still a little suspicious. One thing the article did, however, was show/imply that this doesn't mean there isn't still a legitimate anthropogenic climate change problem, and that this doesn't make up the entire body of work on this problem and in this field.

In other words, it's not the trump-card that people hoped it would be. But there's still been tremendous damage to the green movement.

 

[El_Citrus]

Let's talk about something other than BP for a minute, just a minute, that's all I ask.

Congressman drives 1966 Pontiac GTO, powered by compressed natural gas, up to the steps of the U.S. Capitol

http://blog.al.com/sweethome/2010/07/congressman_drives_1966_pontia.html
Mary Orndorff -- The Birmingham News

Published: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 2:17 PM


Updated: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 4:36 PM

This actually highly interests me. I'm guess he had a tank and piping like an air compressor for the natural gas? Sadly, it won't catch fire (metaphorically speaking), even with oil catastrophe's like the BP Spill.