🇺🇸 Discussion: Guns, The Second Amendment, NRA - Part II

[LonghornNation]

Why are teens protesting guns and want gun reform, acting like school shootings is some epidemic? Do these teens know 11 teens die EVERYDAY from car crashes caused by texting and driving?

Seriously, texting and driving kills teens at an exponentially greater rate than school shootings have done, and will ever do.

 

[Donner]

Ah yes, more of the if you care about one issue you have to care about them all BS.

Also, texting and driving is illegal. There are regulations against it. Your driving privileges may be revoked because of it. Your point is moot.

 

[Aximili86]

Interesting, Hotwire. The Wiki article and a couple other things showing up on the front google page said the MRA1 still has full-auto capability - but hey, I'm not a veteran I'll take your word on it.

Longhorn, that's a ridiculous argument (unless you're being sarcastic?), taking it way too far. Texting/driving isn't some conscious intentional threat out there, mass shooters are. It's the same bull**** argument people use when playing down terrorism: "jaywalking or ____insert whatever phenomenon here____ has killed more people than terrorism since 9/11" - well, yeah. That stuff's accidental and not an organized human behavior though, you don't treat them the same.

That being said, Elektra, shooting people's illegal currently too. :P Seems a weird counterpoint, we have laws against both. Obviously.

 

[Donner]

I meant that there are more and stricter laws regarding ownership of cars than guns. And more is done to curb driving and texting than mass shootings.

 

[Aximili86]

Ri-****ing-diculous.

Longhorn spurts some extremist position, and you just go off just as totally woolly in the other extreme direction. This is where we are now as a country.

 

[Donner]

Wtf. Your post is absolute nonsense.

 

[Hotwire]

Interesting, Hotwire. The Wiki article and a couple other things showing up on the front google page said the MRA1 still has full-auto capability - but hey, I'm not a veteran I'll take your word on it.

For special units, yes. For everyday use, no.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Ah yes, more of the if you care about one issue you have to care about them all BS.

Also, texting and driving is illegal. There are regulations against it. Your driving privileges may be revoked because of it. Your point is moot.

I meant that there are more and stricter laws regarding ownership of cars than guns. And more is done to curb driving and texting than mass shootings.

What precisely was "extreme" about these statements exactly?

 

[Aximili86]

That we regulate cars harder than guns. Last time I checked, you don't do a background check in order to attain a ******' driver's license.

 

[DJ Kornphlake]

That we regulate cars harder than guns. Last time I checked, you don't do a background check in order to attain a ******' driver's license.

No, we have written and driving tests instead. What tests do guns require for a license?

 

[Aximili86]

So, what, it's a proficiency issue instead now? I'd actually be all for mandatory safety & use training for people buying a gun.

That's not going to root out shooters, though. If anything, it'll just make sure any loon committing one will have a certain baseline proficiency at using the weapon. Meaning maybe they hit more people than the Youtube chick.

It's what's going through, these peoples' heads that's the issue, not whether or not they've taken a supervised course on how to use the damn things.

 

[Hotwire]

That we regulate cars harder than guns. Last time I checked, you don't do a background check in order to attain a ******' driver's license.

We do keep registration records on all vehicle owners and driver. We also require vehicle owners to maintain insurance should their vehicle cause damage to people or property.

 

[Aximili86]

So insurance policies are the solution to mass shootings? Something tells me it's a little late by that point and payouts don't mean much in the wake of losing a loved one.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

So insurance policies are the solution to mass shootings? Something tells me it's a little late by that point and payouts don't mean much in the wake of losing a loved one.

You are deflecting from his answer. You do that a lot.

The issue was do we regulate cars more than guns. The answer across the board s yes. That you don't like that answer is no reason to jump to another subject.

 

[Aximili86]

I mean, personally, fine, I wouldn't have any issue with insurance on guns and gun use the way we do with cars.

What the hell's that going to do when some nutter goes and guns down a bunch of people though? The victims' families get half a million dollars from whatever company the shooter was signed with? Big ****in' comfort.

Doesn't stop the shootings.

 

[Herofan]

Mandatory insurance/liability probably would encourage gun owners to be more careful in how accessible their bullets were and more encouraging of restricting guns in particular places, probably also encourage gun sellers to be more careful and thorough in trying to perform background checks.

 

[Hotwire]

So insurance policies are the solution to mass shootings? Something tells me it's a little late by that point and payouts don't mean much in the wake of losing a loved one.

You sound like someone we used to know here.

 

[Hotwire]

I mean, personally, fine, I wouldn't have any issue with insurance on guns and gun use the way we do with cars.

What the hell's that going to do when some nutter goes and guns down a bunch of people though? The victims' families get half a million dollars from whatever company the shooter was signed with? Big ****in' comfort.

Doesn't stop the shootings.

Insurance doesn't stop car accidents either but, it does add accountability. As Herofan said, it could encourage people to keep a shorter leash on their firearms. Keeping them out of the hands of those who should have access.

You exhibit what I call the Nimziki Default. (After Secretary of Defense Nimziki in Independence Day) You shoot down everyone else's solutions while offering little to no alternatives. You don't know what will solve the problem; all you know is what WON'T solve it.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

You sound like someone we used to know here.

Bingo.

 

[Kelly]

Why are teens protesting guns and want gun reform, acting like school shootings is some epidemic? Do these teens know 11 teens die EVERYDAY from car crashes caused by texting and driving?

Seriously, texting and driving kills teens at an exponentially greater rate than school shootings have done, and will ever do.

Hmmmm.....

 

[MaceB]

Why are teens protesting guns and want gun reform, acting like school shootings is some epidemic? Do these teens know 11 teens die EVERYDAY from car crashes caused by texting and driving?

Seriously, texting and driving kills teens at an exponentially greater rate than school shootings have done, and will ever do.

They aren't mutually exclusive. Do both at the same time. The impacts of texting while driving does not mitigate or take away from the impacts of mass shootings. They are not connected.

 

[Hotwire]

Bingo.

What was that guy's name again?

 

[Sithborg]

I am real interested in how the next school walkout, planned for this Fri, for the 20th anniversary of Columbine will be like.

Already know plenty will be talking about how kids should be seen and not heard.

 

[Aximili86]

Insurance doesn't stop car accidents either but, it does add accountability. As Herofan said, it could encourage people to keep a shorter leash on their firearms. Keeping them out of the hands of those who should have access.

How, though? These shooters tend to either commit suicide or they're intending to be taken out by the cops after their little rampage. There are exceptions, but these people generally don't give a crap about being held financially accountable for a misuse of a weapon, they're kamikazes by nature.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Funny how suddenly the only issue in America with guns is mass shootings, therefor if something isn't a 100% solution for mass shootings said idea is illegitimate.

Let's just forget about all the suicides and murders committed each and every year that don't fall into the mass shooting category.