🇺🇸 Discussion: Guns, The Second Amendment, NRA - Part II

[TheCardPlayer]

Shooter is Jarrod W. Ramos. He sued the paper years ago (defamation suit), for writing a column on him, when he plead guilty to criminally harassing a woman.

As per his Twitter, he is exactly what you think he is. Trump fan,news are fake, etc, etc. Has posts going back years, talking about how he wants the people at Capital Gazette dead.

Truly a man that should own a gun.

 

[squeekness]

Nice.

 

[Holiday]

I wonder what the policy in the building is on concealed carry.

 

[Teelie]

Fox is speculating it might be retaliation against fake news or something.

When you have a President actively citing the news as fake at every oppurtunity this kind of thing is only waiting to happen. Just like it happened when the truly fake claims of that pizza place being some kind of secret pedophile ring. Someone who (again, in the same mindset) went in all set to kill some pedophiles only to discover his beliefs were all lies.


I saw Trump's best was "thoughts and prayers" too which is typical because it has as much meaning and impact as it always has (none). He couldn't deride this as fake news though I would believe he would spin this into something for his personal gain if he found the right angle.

 

[Holiday]

This person has been disturbed for a very long time, I feel like he was going to act regardless of which **** was in office. Also, what exactly is Trump supposed to say here? Propose a ban on shotguns for private citizens?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

This person has been disturbed for a very long time, I feel like he was going to act regardless of which **** was in office. Also, what exactly is Trump supposed to say here? Propose a ban on shotguns for private citizens?

Maybe not lie about the media all the damn time? Trump paints a bulls-eye on the media as he lies about them repeatedly to cover his BS, and then acts like this has nothing to do with one of his supporters showing up to enact what he implies should happen?

 

[Aximili86]

This had jack-****ity-**** to do with Trump, stop flat-out lying.

This was a stalker who was pissed about the paper exposing him, he sued them for libel and lost, and had been threatening them over it for a while.

Maybe wait for the facts before pushing some bull**** ideological agenda, this wasn't remotely political. Fact. From the paper, from the police chief, from the guy's twitter feed. If he was a Republican there's nothing pointing to it, and we know it wasn't the motive.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

This person has been disturbed for a very long time, I feel like he was going to act regardless of which **** was in office. Also, what exactly is Trump supposed to say here? Propose a ban on shotguns for private citizens?

Maybe he shouldn't have said, while occupying the office of POTUS, one of the greatest bully pulpits in the world, that the free press of the United States of America is the "enemy of the people". That's not calling out one biased organization or a website that's chronically untruthful. That's painting with a broad brush with strong language that a group is "the enemy". Gee... What does one traditionally do to "the enemy"? And all because the press for the most part is calling him on his ********, and if anyone is truly paying attention they realize he spews a lot of ********.

 

[Aximili86]

It doesn't matter what Trump said, it has no link to this. The guy wasn't even particularly political from what's come out, and the newspaper doesn't lean heavily left nor right.

It was a beef over him feeling they'd wrongfully painted him as a stalker/abuser, and the court sided with the paper. Stop reading into it things that aren't there, just go on the facts.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

This had jack-****ity-**** to do with Trump, stop flat-out lying.

This was a stalker who was pissed about the paper exposing him, he sued them for libel and lost, and had been threatening them over it for a while.

Maybe wait for the facts before pushing some bull**** ideological agenda, this wasn't remotely political. Fact. From the paper, from the police chief, from the guy's twitter feed. If he was a Republican there's nothing pointing to it, and we know it wasn't the motive.

Yes, I am sure the president lying about the media all the time, making them out to be the enemy has no effect on his unhinged followers. Like that woman who yelled at a man for being Mexican, calling him a rapist because the president said that is what Mexicans are. Trump supporters love his little cult of personality gimmick, but want to avoid what it actually entails.

Obama was evil for pointing out that he was a black man. Trump can talk about how he supports dictators and finds them fine people, even as it is shown to him that they have murdered people, including journalist. Repeatedly. The hypocrisy levels are so high, it is almost unbearable.

Trump is a liar. He is such a liar, he lies about stuff it doesn't even make sense to lie about. And to try and cover for this, he has run with the fake news BS to try and paint the media as corrupt, and evil. Which of course he is, but the vast majority of his lies are reflections, so yeah.

You know what amazes me. You like to act all offended and get upset when other call you on what you write here, but then you love to yell and others and curse at them.

 

[Aximili86]

You're stretching. A lot. It really makes you come off pretty unstable, not everything awful in this world comes down to the *****e with the dumb hair and the tanning fetish.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

]It doesn't matter what Trump said[/B], it has no link to this. The guy wasn't even particularly political from what's come out, and the newspaper doesn't lean heavily left nor right.

It was a beef over him feeling they'd wrongfully painted him as a stalker/abuser, and the court sided with the paper. Stop reading into it things that aren't there, just go on the facts.

Yes. It. Does. You just want to avoid it and act like it doesn't matter in any situation. Because, well, you are his fan as much as you try to act like you aren't. You aren't slick. We can see you.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You're stretching. A lot. It really makes you come off pretty unstable, not everything awful in this world comes down to the *****e with the dumb hair and the tanning fetish.

Oh, we all know who is unstable here. We all know who is making stuff up here.

 

[Holiday]

Maybe he shouldn't have said, while occupying the office of POTUS, one of the greatest bully pulpits in the world, that the free press of the United States of America is the "enemy of the people". That's not calling out one biased organization or a website that's chronically untruthful. That's painting with a broad brush with strong language that a group is "the enemy". Gee... What does one traditionally do to "the enemy"? And all because the press for the most part is calling him on his ********, and if anyone is truly paying attention they realize he spews a lot of ********.

Are you referring to this? https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-media-is-enemy-of-the-american-people

Because he's specifically naming CNN, NBC, "the failing" New York Times. His quote was "Fake news media is the enemy".

This Ramos person had a grudge against this newspaper over the stalking article and seems to have wanted revenge on those who he felt wronged him.

 

[jolldan]

See many are citing Trump as a cause of this.

Haven't read enough about it yet but a lot of people seemed to be blaming Milo for this, not too sure how?

 

[Aximili86]

Milo made some moronic attention-seeking crack about killing journalists a while back, his usual bomb-thrower schtick.

It's still nothing to do with this guy who had a very specific & narrow grievance. If he was some hardcore Trumpie who "hated the liberal media" or whatever, it hasn't been reported. And they've already dug into the motive enough to report their confidence on it, and his twitter feed's out there. There's no link to Milo's bull****, contemptible as Milo may be as a person.

 

[Mike5575]

This nutjob nad been tweeting about killing journalists for years. He goes on a killing spree just two days after Trump calls the press "Enemy of Tne People." It's honestly just one big coincidence.

For civility's sake, the President shouldn't be making such inflammatory remarks about the Press, or anyone else for that matter.

 

[Aximili86]

Completely agreed on that second sentence. That's different to it being to blame for a convicted stalker/harasser with a grudge doing something evil over a personal issue.

 

[jolldan]

Milo made some moronic attention-seeking crack about killing journalists a while back, his usual bomb-thrower schtick.

It's still nothing to do with this guy who had a very specific & narrow grievance. If he was some hardcore Trumpie who "hated the liberal media" or whatever, it hasn't been reported. And they've already dug into the motive enough to report their confidence on it, and his twitter feed's out there. There's no link to Milo's bull****, contemptible as Milo may be as a person.

Oh really that's just in poor taste, really think weather you like him or hate him that's why his popularity died down a lot of stuff he says its purely to be provocative.

Hope all those who are injured make a full recovery.

 

[Mani-Man]

Im not sure if Trump and his goons are at fault in this very case, maybe...we dont know.
Maybe the guy just needed this last bit of confirmation that what he plans to do is right...and what more confirmation can you have than the President saying that the free press is the enemy?

Milo called for violence against the press, so he has it harder to get away now.
I mean, you dont make a joke or so about this...what did he think would happen?

Trump and his clowns have turned this into a hostile situation by attacking the free press just because they dont agree with him...it was bound to turn violent.
We are talking about america, the country that has daily shootings...did they really think that going on and on and on with their hostile behaviour towards all that are not worshipping them, would not have any consequences?

 

[Aximili86]

That's a good point. This is exactly the type of guy who should be on a no-buy list, someone with stalking and threatening on his record. General populace is fine, but we need to ban these scum****s as soon as a crime like that is on the books.

 

[Schlosser85]

As irresponsible as Trump’s rhetoric is, it seems pretty flimsy trying to connect this incident to him or Milo, considering Ramos had a grievance with the Gazette going back to 2012.

 

[Reaver027]

As irresponsible as Trump’s rhetoric is, it seems pretty flimsy trying to connect this incident to him or Milo, considering Ramos had a grievance with the Gazette going back to 2012.

The only thing that might have happened is that Trump's thetoric pushed him over the edge or verified him in his believe that the press needs to die.

The US can be happy this was most likely not (purely) motivated by Trump's rhetoric. Because if it would have your country would be at the edge of a cliff you should not be standing at.

 

[Mani-Man]

As irresponsible as Trump’s rhetoric is, it seems pretty flimsy trying to connect this incident to him or Milo, considering Ramos had a grievance with the Gazette going back to 2012.

Yeah, but can we rule it out?
They have created a stronger breeding ground for hostility against the Free Press, against any press that doesnt share ones own world view...so can we rule out that this lead to the guy snapping...i dont know.

They cant be shocked at this considering they activly called for violence in the past...that is the expected outcome.
Im more surprised that we havent seen something like this happening way earlier considering everything Trump has said to his supporter base.

 

[Aximili86]

You don't just assume. The cops are saying it was a specific grievance, not an "evil journalists, mein fuhrer said so!" thing. If something comes out of a political persuasion, a manifesto or something, then you link it.