🇺🇸 Discussion: Guns, The Second Amendment, NRA - Part II

[squeekness]

I don't even have the words... I'm so f sick of it.

 

[Marvolo]

Some dumbass in Texas and a group called Defense Distributed is fighting the government because he wants to put the blueprints for 3D printed guns online with zero regulations. The idiot uploaded the blueprints casually online so others could print their own entirely untraceable homemade gun.

The blueprint files were downloaded 1 million times before a court order was issued to remove the files from Defense Distributed's website.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/31/us/3d-printed-plastic-guns/index.html

 

[DeadPresident]

A gun in the hands of every man, woman, and child is second amendment paradise. Can't have any mass shootings when everyone with a pulse is strapped, right...

 

[Marvolo]

I used to assume Paradise wouldnt be littered with the corpses of massacred school children. Silly me.

 

[Teelie]

Fortunately for now this isn't possible because the kind of 3D printer you need costs thousands of dollars to make one of these guns so there aren't a lot of people out casually making them. That and I doubt the guns themselves would be good beyond a shots. I don't think the material used is capable of withstanding more than four or five shots before it breaks apart from the force.

 

[squeekness]

Fortunately for now this isn't possible because the kind of 3D printer you need costs thousands of dollars to make one of these guns so there aren't a lot of people out casually making them. That and I doubt the guns themselves would be good beyond a shots. I don't think the material used is capable of withstanding more than four or five shots before it breaks apart from the force.

I agree about the printers. I mean, who has one?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Fortunately for now this isn't possible because the kind of 3D printer you need costs thousands of dollars to make one of these guns so there aren't a lot of people out casually making them. That and I doubt the guns themselves would be good beyond a shots. I don't think the material used is capable of withstanding more than four or five shots before it breaks apart from the force.

So just enough shots to kill a person you want dead. Great.

I was looking this up and it isn't about printing the full gun. It is about printing the parts that require a background check to buy. The big and obvious fear is the person who does have the printer, selling cheap, untraceable bits, to complete a gun. Cartels are using this to get cheaper weapons.

 

[Sithborg]

So, the NRA is more like Trump than I thought.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/nra-financial-trouble-706371/

No wonder they seemed eager to get in bed with the Russians.

 

[Fading]

So just enough shots to kill a person you want dead. Great.

I was looking this up and it isn't about printing the full gun. It is about printing the parts that require a background check to buy. The big and obvious fear is the person who does have the printer, selling cheap, untraceable bits, to complete a gun. Cartels are using this to get cheaper weapons.

That's what I heard as well. The actual pistols made from 3D printing only stood up to one shot when he started this. Now, years down the road, techniques have been refined, and it can last a few shots longer, but still will melt, or destroy itself.

However the main problem is it can be used to bypass background checks, and serial numbers. If I remember the article right, several individual parts of a gun can be bought without needing any sort of background check, or serial number. One guy in particular bought, and built an AR 15, but 3D printed the part that had a serial number on it. Someone at Wired did the same.

https://www.wired.com/2015/06/i-made-an-untraceable-ar-15-ghost-gun/

So now that the case was overturned, it will be legal. People have been making their own guns for awhile, so this isn't new per session. However, someone will abuse this. Someone wanting an untraceable gun. Someone mentally unstable that finds out he can buy most of the gun, and print the components he can't.

I just can't see the pro's for this. What gun enthusiast is going to want to possibly pay more to print a gun that melts after a few shots? Meanwhile I can definitely see the cons. With plenty of criminals probably seeing the worth in printing out 1-2 parts to make a gun untraceable.

 

[BrollySupersj]

Fortunately for now this isn't possible because the kind of 3D printer you need costs thousands of dollars to make one of these guns so there aren't a lot of people out casually making them. That and I doubt the guns themselves would be good beyond a shots. I don't think the material used is capable of withstanding more than four or five shots before it breaks apart from the force.

Honestly, I'm just waiting for some politian or gun nut to switch the argument against 3D printers. I can seriously imagine that happening.

 

[DJ Kornphlake]

So, the NRA is more like Trump than I thought.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/nra-financial-trouble-706371/

No wonder they seemed eager to get in bed with the Russians.

I can't help but wonder if it's just a ploy for them to get more funding/donations.

 

[Schlosser85]

Can't they just hit up the Kremlin for some more cash?

 

[Teelie]

I can't help but wonder if it's just a ploy for them to get more funding/donations.

It does sound too good to be true although knowing the kind of money they throw around to bribe politicians and spend to scare-monger people, it is certainly believable.

 

[Tao43]

So the NRA is going broke...poor guys. Sending thoughts and prayers.

 

[Teelie]

Be sure to pray extra hard.

 

[MaceB]

They aren't going broke. It's a ploy to gin up their members, to get more donations, and to rile the base before 2018 election.

 

[Mike5575]

Some dumbass in Texas and a group called Defense Distributed is fighting the government because he wants to put the blueprints for 3D printed guns online with zero regulations. The idiot uploaded the blueprints casually online so others could print their own entirely untraceable homemade gun.

The blueprint files were downloaded 1 million times before a court order was issued to remove the files from Defense Distributed's website.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/31/us/3d-printed-plastic-guns/index.html

The files have already been online for years. It has been illegal to make undetectable firearms for decades. It is not illegal, however to share the designs of such weapons. The only idiots here are the people freaking out about this and the federal judge who blocked the distribution of these files. It's not only stupid, but unconstitutional. It violates the 1st Amendment.

Derp.

 

[jolldan]

At least 11 people have been killed and a reported 70 have been wounded after a weekend of gun violence in Chicago.

I know they want to build a wall between the US and Mexico, by the sounds of things they need another one right around Chicago.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

At least 11 people have been killed and a reported 70 have been wounded after a weekend of gun violence in Chicago.

I know they want to build a wall between the US and Mexico, by the sounds of things they need another one right around Chicago.

It's not even the entirety of Chicago that needs it. Most of the violence occurs in 3-4 neighborhoods/wards that the city has shunted most of the poor into and then provides them with little economic or educational opportunities. The city's leadership knows exactly what they've done and that blaming guns for the violence keeps the heat off of them for their inaction.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

In my country we don't have any outlet to sell guns, and it's illegal for citizens to own arms. I'm fine with this system.

Unless you have a profession that requires gun use, why should one want the right to own one? Why would a person defend the rights of others to bear arms?
I see people rally with "rights to own firearms", but how many talk about the responsibilities that come with owning a weapon? Why is it that their words are not as out and visible as words demanding the right to own guns?

 

[Holiday]

Don't you live on a small island?

 

[DeadPresident]

I used to assume Paradise wouldnt be littered with the corpses of massacred school children. Silly me.

It’s just alt-paradise, Marv.

 

[DeadPresident]

The files have already been online for years. It has been illegal to make undetectable firearms for decades. It is not illegal, however to share the designs of such weapons. The only idiots here are the people freaking out about this and the federal judge who blocked the distribution of these files. It's not only stupid, but unconstitutional. It violates the 1st Amendment.

Derp.

People constantly appealing to the constitution (and ****ing amendments of all things, talk about ironic) as a substitute for reasoning skills is becoming exceptionally tiresome.

A constitution is only as good as the material circumstances it creates, when the constitution lags behind the times it may perhaps be time to amend it once more.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Don't you live on a small island?

Small archipelago is more like it.

 

[Reaver027]

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/26/us/jacksonville-madden-shooting/index.html

Thoughts and prayers. Now is not the time. Don't take away my guns. VS We need sensible gun laws.
We had all of that before and will have it after. Nothing will change so why even care anymore.
Looking in from the outside i don't even shake my head anymore. This is just the way it is. You keep it up anyway.