🇺🇸 Discussion: Guns, The Second Amendment, NRA - Part II

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Not really, most high schools around the country went to mesh and clear backpacks over 2 decades ago. Not a big deal....


The...****? No, not "most high schools". Most highschools you buy your own damn backpack and you take it to school. Private schools with uniforms probably have their own school-logo mandated ones, yes, but let's not do this "most" stuff.

Also, I thought the problem here was supposedly semi-auto longguns? You're not fitting an AR in a damn backpack anyway. These kids tend to just show up with them in their car, get out with the gun out in the open and start committing their insanity. Backpacks, seriously?
 
Clear backpacks do not stop school shootings. Especially when you consider the shooting that happened at that school. Also they better not be patting down minors.
Laws don’t stop school shootings either.

Edit: but that doesn’t mean sensible reform can’t decrease the amount or frequency...that includes gun laws and security ie clear backpacks.
 
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Clear backpacks do not stop school shootings. Especially when you consider the shooting that happened at that school. Also they better not be patting down minors.

No kidding on that last! Touch my kids, and it hits the fan.

The only time they (and it would be law enforcement) would pat down a student is if they had a clear reason to do so. Usually that means a drug dog has hit on their person or property (except for a locker, the locker is considered the property of the school and can be searched at any time). But if there is enough evidence that the student has a weapon on them or their backpack then law enforcement can and will search them, or as has happened in my school, the student is in a fight with another student, teacher or law enforcement, they will then be taken into custody and searched.

The "due process" cases that have gone through the courts have not been on searches, they have been on suspensions.
 
Anyone who thinks clear backpacks would increase safety and security is delusional. It wouldn't have stopped the Parkland shooter or Sandy Hook or Virginia Tech, etc.

It's just lip service to a much bigger problem.
 
The only time they (and it would be law enforcement) would pat down a student is if they had a clear reason to do so. Usually that means a drug dog has hit on their person or property (except for a locker, the locker is considered the property of the school and can be searched at any time). But if there is enough evidence that the student has a weapon on them or their backpack then law enforcement can and will search them, or as has happened in my school, the student is in a fight with another student, teacher or law enforcement, they will then be taken into custody and searched.

The "due process" cases that have gone through the courts have not been on searches, they have been on suspensions.
Yes, this makes sense. But the idea that a kid needed to be patted down to gain entry to school everyday is something that made no sense.
 
So the YT HQ shooter. She was mentality unstable and found by the police 500 miles from home on the day of incident as she was reported missing by her family. They had contact with her family who made them aware of her condition and her feelings on YT. She was still legally in possession of a firearm.
 
Yup...and cops also let her go that morning. She shouldn’t own a gun and cops should have searched her car and held her on suspicion until due process cleared her. She probably had the gun in her car.
 
Yup...and cops also let her go that morning. She shouldn’t own a gun and cops should have searched her car and held her on suspicion until due process cleared her. She probably had the gun in her car.

Maybe if every law enforcement database was connected across the country this would happen less. Im amazed how often one doesn't know what the other is doing. :(
 
Yup...and cops also let her go that morning. She shouldn’t own a gun and cops should have searched her car and held her on suspicion until due process cleared her. She probably had the gun in her car.

Considering that just a few hours later she went to a firing range, yeah, it must have been in the car.

I do wonder exactly what was told to the SoCal police when she was reported missing, and what ended up in the system from it.
 
Considering that just a few hours later she went to a firing range, yeah, it must have been in the car.

I do wonder exactly what was told to the SoCal police when she was reported missing, and what ended up in the system from it.
The police... Jesus. The family called them back to say she had a problem with YT and that is why she might be around there.

http://abc7news.com/forensic-invest...tube-suspects-vehicle-to-be-searched/3300063/


"We wanted to take a moment to further address the reports regarding Mountain View officers' interactions with a woman responsible for the tragic event in San Bruno yesterday.

Around 1:40 am on Tuesday, April 3, Mountain View patrol officers proactively checked a license plate of a vehicle that was parked in a lot on the 600 block of Showers Drive. The license plate came back to a registered owner out of Southern California who had been reported missing on March 31 to the San Diego County Sheriff's Office. We called the Sheriff's Office to confirm the missing persons reports, and personnel there told us that in that report, the woman had been reported missing and "at risk" because she had never gone missing or left home before. We contacted the woman inside the vehicle, who was asleep, to check on her and to determine if she was the same person who had been reported missing.

The woman, identified as 38-year-old Manifee resident Nasim Aghdam, positively identified herself to us and told us during our contact with her that she had decided to leave her family's home a few days prior due to family issues. She stated she had come to the area to stay with family and while she was currently living out of her vehicle, she was in the process of looking for a job. During our contact with her, she was asked a series of questions including, but not limited to, if she was a danger to herself or others. At no point during our roughly 20 minute interaction with her did she mention anything about YouTube, if she was upset with them, or that she had planned to harm herself or others. Throughout our entire interaction with her, she was calm and cooperative.

At the conclusion of our interaction with her, she in no way met any reason for us to speak with her further or possibly detain her. A short time later, we phoned her family to let them know she had been located. During that call, we spoke with both the woman's father and her brother. The father confirmed to us that the family had been having issues at home, but did not act in any way concerned about why his daughter had left. At no point during that conversation did either Aghdam's father or brother make any statements regarding the woman's potential threat to, or a possible attack on, the YouTube campus. Also, there was no indication from either Aghdam or her family that she may have been in possession of any weapons.

Roughly one hour after our phone call to Aghdam's family, her father called us back to let us know that she made a series of vegan videos for her channel on YouTube and that the company had recently done something to her videos that had caused her to become upset.

Aghdam's father stated that she may have been in the area because of this. He did not seemed concerned that she was in the area, and wanted to simply let us know that may have been a reason for her move up here. Once again, at no point did her father or brother mention anything about potential acts of violence or a possibility of Aghdam lashing out as a result of her issues with her videos. They remained calm throughout this second phone call.

The incident at YouTube on Tuesday was a tragedy. No one should ever feel unsafe in their workplace. We have full confidence in the investigative efforts of the San Bruno Police Department and their colleagues as they tackle this case.

The victims of this heinous act and their families are in our thoughts during this extremely difficult time."
 
wow. So it sounds like there wasn't a mention of Youtube issues until at least an after they left her.

eta: thanks for the info!
 
Yes, this makes sense. But the idea that a kid needed to be patted down to gain entry to school everyday is something that made no sense.

Yes, that is going too far....
 
Laws don’t stop school shootings either.

Edit: but that doesn’t mean sensible reform can’t decrease the amount or frequency...that includes gun laws and security ie clear backpacks.

Unenforced laws certainly do not....
 
The...****? No, not "most high schools". Most highschools you buy your own damn backpack and you take it to school. Private schools with uniforms probably have their own school-logo mandated ones, yes, but let's not do this "most" stuff.

Also, I thought the problem here was supposedly semi-auto longguns? You're not fitting an AR in a damn backpack anyway. These kids tend to just show up with them in their car, get out with the gun out in the open and start committing their insanity. Backpacks, seriously?

I didn't say that the schools provided the backpacks...yes the students provide their own, clear or mesh backpacks.

As far as Texas, the majority of school districts require a mesh or clear backpack....the schools do not provide them. Also, most new schools being built today in the US do not have lockers. In my district no lockers are used except in the athletic building.

I do not work in a private school. I am a 27 year veteran of Public Schools.

Do I believe that they are a deterrent? No, but then again I never stated that in any of my posts....just simply that they are required...

There are many schools that have banned backpacks altogether. All newly adopted textbooks are online now, or in CD/flashdrive format. Many schools are also using google classroom for students to turn in classwork etc....the teacher grades it and sends it back. Of course not all school districts can do this, but even my school district that is almost 100% free or reduced lunches most students have access to the internet through a computer, tablet or phone. ALL of my classroom work, textbooks, study guides etc are all online....So there is no need for lockers or backpacks really.
 
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So, basically turns out yeah - crazy person who should have been flagged on a list again.

Using a 9mm.

But...AR's have gotta go.

What's common with these shootings, a majority of them aside from the Vegas guy? They had major reason to be flagged, and acted on, and weren't. This psycho b*tch included.

Not like we're going to start banning 9mms nationwide, maybe let's start taking off the gloves in terms of acting pre-emptively on parental-acknowledged looney-tunes?



I didn't say that the schools provided the backpacks...yes the students provide their own, clear or mesh backpacks.


Which is pretty obviously not the case in most highschools across America. I don't know about the Texas situation, but if they do this they're an exception rather than a rule.
 
So, basically turns out yeah - crazy person who should have been flagged on a list again.

Using a 9mm.

But...AR's have gotta go.

What's common with these shootings, a majority of them aside from the Vegas guy? They had major reason to be flagged, and acted on, and weren't. This psycho b*tch included.

Not like we're going to start banning 9mms nationwide, maybe let's start taking off the gloves in terms of acting pre-emptively on parental-acknowledged looney-tunes?






Which is pretty obviously not the case in most highschools across America. I don't know about the Texas situation, but if they do this they're an exception rather than a rule.


It’s pretty disturbing. You’d think that after the failure of the Broward sheriffs and the FBI, police departments would be taking warnings even more seriously.
 
South Carolina lawmakers introduce bill to begin secession debate

A trio of state House Republicans on Thursday quietly introduced a bill that would allow lawmakers to debate seceding from the U.S. “if the federal government confiscates legally purchased firearms in this State.”

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/8/south-carolina-secession-bill-introduced-over-gun-/


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If they think their guns are more important than Federal Funding, Federal Aid, the protection of the US Military, open borders with other states, free trade with other states, and want to be treated like a broke ass foreign nation so be it. I wish they would secede so we could watch them come crawling back begging to be let back in the Union.
 
Every few years a group of (usually Republican) politicians introduce a bill to leave the Union over the latest outcry (gun regulation, gay rights, equal rights, etc) and it never goes anywhere. It's all for publicity and to pander to their base voters.
 
Anyone who thinks clear backpacks would increase safety and security is delusional. It wouldn't have stopped the Parkland shooter or Sandy Hook or Virginia Tech, etc.

It's just lip service to a much bigger problem.
but it can help prevent escalation to gun violence like when that dude went to school and then shot his ex-girlfriend in a non-spree shooting
 
South Carolina lawmakers introduce bill to begin secession debate




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If they think their guns are more important than Federal Funding, Federal Aid, the protection of the US Military, open borders with other states, free trade with other states, and want to be treated like a broke ass foreign nation so be it. I wish they would secede so we could watch them come crawling back begging to be let back in the Union.

LOL go ahead. You would not believe how much better off the US would be if most of the red deep South states seceded. The amount of Federal funding they eat up compared to any positive economic impact is staggering.
 
So, basically turns out yeah - crazy person who should have been flagged on a list again.

Using a 9mm.

But...AR's have gotta go.
She didn't even kill anyone she wounded three before shooting herself had she been armed with an AR-15, a high capacity magazine or worse a drum magazinetheir would have been a significant death count
What's common with these shootings, a majority of them aside from the Vegas guy? They had major reason to be flagged, and acted on, and weren't. This psycho b*tch included.

Not like we're going to start banning 9mms nationwide, maybe let's start taking off the gloves in terms of acting pre-emptively on parental-acknowledged looney-tunes?
can't disagree with disarming the unstable
 
She didn't even kill anyone she wounded three before shooting herself had she been armed with an AR-15, a high capacity magazine or worse a drum magazinetheir would have been a significant death countcan't disagree with disarming the unstable

Any source on her magically becoming a better marksman with an ar-15?
 

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