🇺🇸 Discussion: Guns, The Second Amendment, NRA - Part II

[Schlosser85]

"Stop politicizing the tragedy"


So the people trotting out that tired one-liner can keep sweeping gun violence under the rug for....political purposes??


That line is so worn out and tired.

 

[squeekness]

As much as I agree with you I'm not sure what new laws could have stopped what happened today.

 

[samsnee]

So we shouldn’t try anything ever.

 

[Sithborg]

Witnesses say the fire alarm went off before the shooting started, so the shooter probably pulled it himself.


At least eight dead, twelve in the hospital.

Which makes the TX Lt. Gov idea even stupider. One entrance/exit would have stopped the shooter. No, just set up a shooting barrel, you idiot.

 

[squeekness]

So we shouldn’t try anything ever.

I'm not saying that, more like a determined killer will find a way.

 

[Donner]

I'm not saying that, more like a determined killer will find a way.

The point is how many they can kill.

 

[TheCardPlayer]

BREAKING: 1 dead, 1 injured in shooting near high school graduation, police say

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NO GUN PROBLEM IT'S MENTAL HEALTH!

 

[Aximili86]

It basically is mental health, in a broad sense.

No sane civilian person points a weapon at another human being other than in self-defense.

This kid and the others might not have been clinically "crazy", but they were sure-as-**** crazy in any pragmatic sense of the term. They're the type of people who shouldn't have guns. Weed them out with extreme & totally-anal background checks, and get really tough with parents/guardians who own and aren't securing them to a reasonabl extent away from their kids.

 

[DeadPresident]

It's mental health and guns. No matter how good your background checks are there are already over 300m guns in circulation, background checks do nothing to prevent people using existing guns.

 

[Aximili86]

And an insane level of a majority of people owning those 300 million weapons never do anything wrong with them.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It basically is mental health, in a broad sense.

No sane civilian person points a weapon at another human being other than in self-defense.

This kid and the others might not have been clinically "crazy", but they were sure-as-**** crazy in any pragmatic sense of the term. They're the type of people who shouldn't have guns. Weed them out with extreme & totally-anal background checks, and get really tough with parents/guardians who own and aren't securing them to a reasonabl extent away from their kids.

Which explains all the accidents that happens with guns. Sure, Sure...

 

[Aximili86]

ie. Anyone who shoots someone, whether an individual or a mass shooting, is out of their mind and shouldn't have a gun.

Let's find a way of making the psych checks stringent enough that we weed these people out. You don't just go ban them for the 99.99% of owners (even AR owners) who just statistically-demonstrably never point them at anything other than a range target.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

ie. Anyone who shoots someone, whether an individual or a mass shooting, is out of their mind and shouldn't have a gun.

Let's find a way of making the psych checks stringent enough that we weed these people out. You don't just go ban them for the 99.99% of owners (even AR owners) who just statistically-demonstrably never point them at anything other than a range target.

So any police officer?

 

[Aximili86]

A police officer doing the wrong thing should be come down on hard, too. Nice snide attitude there.

 

[Teelie]

"Stop politicizing the tragedy"


So the people trotting out that tired one-liner can keep sweeping gun violence under the rug for....political purposes??


That line is so worn out and tired.

Not as much as good old "thoughts and prayers" that are meant to stem the tide of mass shootings and killings has failed to accomplish.


Remember to only think and pray about it and take no action at all to even consider changing gun laws.

 

[Teelie]

ie. Anyone who shoots someone, whether an individual or a mass shooting, is out of their mind and shouldn't have a gun.

Let's find a way of making the psych checks stringent enough that we weed these people out. You don't just go ban them for the 99.99% of owners (even AR owners) who just statistically-demonstrably never point them at anything other than a range target.

So any police officer?

That's too harsh. Those police officers have to deal with dangerous criminals holding objects of death like cell phones and other vaguely defined things in their hands. Even the unarmed ones might have some kind of hidden gun. Better to just shoot and be safe than find out if there is any danger.

 

[Aximili86]

Yeah, 'cause cops aren't shot at in every major city in the country or anything. Nah, the majority of times they draw their gun it's over an innocent with a cellphone.

When someone does it over a cellphone it's not an outlier/exception, nah, that's the rule.

You're all friggin' insane.

 

[MaceB]

We're all responsible. We let this stuff happen at this point be refusing to do anything about it while the problem festers. It's on every American.

In terms of practical take-aways from this quarter's big shooting... we need to make it harder to pass around guns.

- you should be held responsible if you give your gun over to anyone other than who the gun is registered to. You can't loan guns. You can't just give them to your children.

- if someone were to steal the gun from your home and then did something like this, then it should be determined if you locked the gun away of if you were being illegally negligent by not locking it away. If so, you should be held accountable in some form.

 

[Aximili86]

Definitely, you really do need to start charging the parents in instances like this too, if the guns weren't locked away to a reasonable extent.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

A police officer doing the wrong thing should be come down on hard, too. Nice snide attitude there.

That isn't what you said. You said anyone who shoots someone.

 

[squeekness]

Definitely, you really do need to start charging the parents in instances like this too, if the guns weren't locked away to a reasonable extent.

Exactly. If they were worried about their kid, they should have kept them locked away.

 

[Reaver027]

Exactly. If they were worried about their kid, they should have kept them locked away.

Is that not a law in the US? Here in Germany we have 30 million weapons in private hands but they have to be locked away at home. And amunition can't be stored in the same space as the weapon.

We got roughly 70 deaths by murder/accident and roughly 10 times that in suicides per year. So not even 1k deaths related to guns. And we are a country of over 80 million. But we have less than 1/30th of the gun ralated deaths of the us.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Oh no, the NRA and 2nd amendment fanboys are big on not holding gun owners responsible for anything. They freak out on any reasonable gun restriction.

 

[squeekness]

Is that not a law in the US? Here in Germany we have 30 million weapons in private hands but they have to be locked away at home. And amunition can't be stored in the same space as the weapon.

We got roughly 70 deaths by murder/accident and roughly 10 times that in suicides per year. So not even 1k deaths related to guns. And we are a country of over 80 million. But we have less than 1/30th of the gun ralated deaths of the us.

If you're talking about locking up being mandatory, it isn't. But maybe it should be.

 

[Aximili86]

That isn't what you said. You said anyone who shoots someone.

Except in self-defense, is what I said. A majority of cop shootings are in defense of themselves or others, as they should be. If a cop breaks the law, they should be come down on as hard as a civilian, more. How is this complicated?

It's actually gotta be unjustified though, not like the Michael Brown situation or whatever where it was found legit by the freakin' feds (Holder's feds, to boot) as well as the locals.