Discussion: Planned Parenthood

[KevanG]

Well Motown to quote Lonely Island

 

[DeadPresident]

I am not for abortion and I am pro life. Abortion is only acceptable if a woman has been violently raped. But even then it's iffy. Otherwise, if you make the decision to sleep around or not use protection of you are sexually active then you need to grow up and take care of your responsibilities, no excuses. Or if you can't do that put the child up for adoption. As for planned parent hood, I am not sure if it was confirmed they were selling tissue/ body parts of aborted babies, but if it was true they definitely need to be shut down and charged for their crimes.

Lol what?

 

[Snow Queen]

In an ideal world where people are without flaw, that would be all dandy and fine. Except in reality mistakes happen, lapses in judgement happen, things don't go as planned, and no amount of birth control is 100% effective. And there is no reason why anyone, especially a 16 year old girl, should have to pay for that mistake with the rest of her life. It's so easy as a man who is not susceptible to such an unfortunate situation to pass judgement on the women who are. Especially when it's so easy for a man to walk away from such an unfortunate situation leaving the woman alone to deal with it. And it's all the more unfortunate when the woman is forced to have an unwanted baby, in a country where she is given no paternity leave from a job that pays her less than her male counter part, to live under a government that is trying to slash every "entitlement" she has available when attempting to raise her family out of poverty, but then condemn her for not getting an education from a college who's tuition she could never afford because she's apparently not good enough for anything more than a minimum wage job that doesn't even provide her with a livable income...as if she would even have time to go to school because SHE'S A SINGLE MOM SADDLED WITH A KID WHICH RESULTED FROM ONE STUPID MOMENTARY MISTAKE!

Hey, that sounds like a totally fair situation to raise a kid in.

How about, instead, we show the woman some understanding and sympathy as she is forced to deal with the harrowing and traumatizing situation that is a terminated pregnancy? how about we take that opportunity to educate and lift her above her mistakes to give her a new opportunity at a better future where she won't be shamed, and condemned, and demoralized into more committing more mistakes? Can we maybe try that?

People say if yer not responsible enough to handle the consequences, then you shouldn't be having sex. But, frankly, until as a society we are ready to enable and empower our women and their children with an education, financial stability, and a chance at a life better than what they were born into, then maybe we shouldn't be the ones to condemn them for the choices they make. we as a people create the society which they must live in, so what about our responsibility in this?

Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[Marvolo]

Well dont you know that forcing a rape victim to be an incubator to a fetus she never asked for or wanted and making her suffer for 9 months as it makes her gain weight, screws up her hormones, and makes her miserable in general and then making her push that 9 pound baby out of her vagina is the best way to cure her of the psychological and physical damage caused by the rape.

If a rape victim is impregnated and doesnt want to have the baby she should be able to abort it. End of story. Anyone who has a problem with that needs to walk a mile in her shoes before they think they can tell her what is best for her.

 

[chaseter]

Seriously. With how messed up, convoluted and sometimes emotionally draining (on the child and parties involved) the adoption process is here in the states why would anyone want to force a child to go through that crap if they don't have to.

By killing them. Seems reasonable.

 

[chaseter]

For convenience? Have you ever met a woman who had an abortion? You seem to think you know the reasons behind abortions. And what about those people who don't feel like birth control should be readily available for women? Birth control can be very expensive. So poor women can't have sex, then.

You pass a lot of judgement for someone that will never have to deal with being pregnant.

I'll pass judgement all day on murderers. So do you. The only difference is you don't think it's a life until it leaves the hospital breathing.

Birth control is not expensive. Neither are condoms. People who think they shouldn't be readily available are idiots and that is a side discussion.

I don't care what their reasons are for aborting. It doesn't change the fact that they are selfish and ignorant, resulting in the death of a human life. They are awful, selfish human beings. You can try and rationalize it all you want. They are no better than someone who drinks and drives and runs over a pedestrian. You make selfish decisions based on ignorance and you end up taking another human life.

 

[chaseter]

I wish people would look at issues from the other perspective.

No. They don't sell tissue. You can't sell tissue. It's against the law. You can't even sell blood. You donate it.


I also like how the whole "Pro-life" point can be seen as two things that people can't separate:

1) Killing unborn babies is wrong
2) Sleeping around is wrong


I mean, you can't have just the unborn baby killing. You have to add the fact that they are having promiscuous sex and not suffering the consequences. Because all sex shall have consequences. Why? Because Jesus/God said so.


Well, good for you all. Let them go to hell in peace.

To interject...you can sell plasma and most of the places you donate blood to...sell it. There are third party blood vendors nationwide. It's a business.

 

[chaseter]

So you're saying a 16 year old should throw her life away and go through with giving birth, which could cause her severe harm and even death, rather than just shed a zygote. Alright.

Also, sometimes you can use protection and birth control and still have mishaps.

Should the 16 year old throw away the life she created because she's not ready? Health of the mother is an exception I agree. That's usually only in question in the late stages.

 

[Mechanix]

I'll pass judgement all day on murderers. So do you. The only difference is you don't think it's a life until it leaves the hospital breathing.

Birth control is not expensive. Neither are condoms. People who think they shouldn't be readily available are idiots and that is a side discussion.

I don't care what their reasons are for aborting. It doesn't change the fact that they are selfish and ignorant, resulting in the death of a human life. They are awful, selfish human beings. You can try and rationalize it all you want. They are no better than someone who drinks and drives and runs over a pedestrian. You make selfish decisions based on ignorance and you end up taking another human life.

I never said that. I said before I would abort as soon as I would find out about being pregnant. At that point, it is literally cells and nothing more.

Birth control is expensive depending on the brand and if your healthcare provider even covers it. How the **** would you even know what it costs? Do you use it?

Also, if a couple uses protection and the woman winds up getting pregnant, in no way shape or form should she have to carry it. I'm glad people like you don't make the laws.

Life does not begin at conception. You're just a judgemental dick. Calling someone awful and selfish and a murderer for aborting is so ****ing ridiculous. This whole post of yours has so much stupid in it, I wouldn't even know where to start.

 

[herakles]

It doesn't feel anything. It's a bunch of cells with no consciousness.

Carrying a baby to term is also traumatic. It wreaks havoc on a woman's hormones and can put her health at risk. I know a woman who has had two miscarriages and ended up in the hospital both times. Her body cannot handle a pregnancy. Given the option, I would abort over putting it up for adoption. I don't want children and I protect myself and I don't think it's right to force a woman to go through 9 months of pregnancy and then labour in order to have a child that she doesn't want.

Ummm Fetuses have brain activity and nerves while in the womb so they FEEL PAIN!

Also no disrespect if you don't want kids birth control pills and/or condoms will help! Also there is the Morning After Pill. I think that using abortion for birth control is stupid when there are easier methods like I listed before.

I never said that. I said before I would abort as soon as I would find out about being pregnant. At that point, it is literally cells and nothing more.

Is that what the morning after pill is for? Also have you had an abortion? I knew 2 girls that did one had 2 and all three times it was extremely traumatic for them especially emotionally.

Birth control is expensive depending on the brand and if your healthcare provider even covers it. How the **** would you even know what it costs? Do you use it?

As all you pro-choicer claim, Isn't that is what PP is for? There is a PP office in just about every community so stock up on those rubbers.

 

[herakles]

Seriously. With how messed up, convoluted and sometimes emotionally draining (on the child and parties involved) the adoption process is here in the states why would anyone want to force a child to go through that crap if they don't have to.

I agree hence WHY we need to update it and make thing easier for adoptive parents and especially for those orphaned children.

Just to clarify. While I am Pro Life I understand that making Abortion illegal again will lead to some of the horrific back door abortions that occurred in the past.

What I am for is making Adoption, and the Morning After pill more readily available as viable alternatives to abortion while still keeping abortion legal.

IF we gave better options to desperate women and girls they will not have to go through the emotional trauma of having an abortion.

 

[chaseter]

I never said that. I said before I would abort as soon as I would find out about being pregnant. At that point, it is literally cells and nothing more.

Birth control is expensive depending on the brand and if your healthcare provider even covers it. How the **** would you even know what it costs? Do you use it?

Also, if a couple uses protection and the woman winds up getting pregnant, in no way shape or form should she have to carry it. I'm glad people like you don't make the laws.

Life does not begin at conception. You're just a judgemental dick. Calling someone awful and selfish and a murderer for aborting is so ****ing ridiculous. This whole post of yours has so much stupid in it, I wouldn't even know where to start.

Taking the day after pill is not aborting. There is no life yet. Aborting at 6 weeks is taking a life. It's the same as taking a fertilized chicken egg, scrambling the living, heartbeating embryo inside with a metal device and then taking a suction tube and sucking it out. A baby's heart beats at 6 weeks. Is that taking a life?

You can call me a dick all you want. The truth hurts. Go watch a graphic video of an actual abortion. See if you can stomach it. If you are so callous that you don't care, then I feel sorry for you. I'll gladly be a dick and my wife will gladly not murder any of our unborn children. You can spend the rest of your life supporting rationalization of selfish life taking. That's your choice and you are allowed to have that opinion. Don't get angry when someone disagrees on such an impactful topic.

When does life begin to you?

 

[Mechanix]

Taking the day after pill is not aborting. There is no life yet. Aborting at 6 weeks is taking a life. It's the same as taking a fertilized chicken egg, scrambling the living, heartbeating embryo inside with a metal device and then taking a suction tube and sucking it out. A baby's heart beats at 6 weeks. Is that taking a life?

You can call me a dick all you want. The truth hurts. Go watch a graphic video of an actual abortion. See if you can stomach it. If you are so callous that you don't care, then I feel sorry for you. I'll gladly be a dick and my wife will gladly not murder any of our unborn children. You can spend the rest of your life supporting rationalization of selfish life taking. That's your choice and you are allowed to have that opinion. Don't get angry when someone disagrees on such an impactful topic.

When does life begin to you?

I will get angry when you call women who get an abortion murderers. I wouldn't call the idiocy you spew to be "truth."

People who are brain dead still have beating hearts. They're not really alive anymore. So I would not consider a beating heart a life yet. I don't really know when I would consider life to start.

Personally, I would abort as soon as possible just to avoid complications. I don't think waiting to abort is a good idea unless there are health risks that appear later and an abortion is recommended.

Your judgements towards women you don't know over their personal decisions to get abortions for reasons that you are not privy to are asinine.

 

[Mechanix]

Also no disrespect if you don't want kids birth control pills and/or condoms will help! Also there is the Morning After Pill. I think that using abortion for birth control is stupid when there are easier methods like I listed before.

I have already stated numerous times that I protect myself. I take the pill and use condoms.

If I were to get pregnant after taking the steps to protect myself, I would abort. I don't want children. And I don't feel like I should have to carry a baby to term or raise it if I did what I could to avoid getting pregnant.

 

[ShadowBoxer]

So you're saying a 16 year old should throw her life away and go through with giving birth, which could cause her severe harm and even death, rather than just shed a zygote. Alright.

Also, sometimes you can use protection and birth control and still have mishaps.

If a 16 year old thinks they are mature enough for sex, then they need to be mature enough to handle the consequences instead of taking the easy way out. Put the child up for adoption if you have to but an abortion should not be acceptable here. Honestly 16 year old should be having sex anyway as they probably can't even take care of themselves yet.

 

[Mechanix]

Seems like some men like to think that carrying a baby for 9 months is a cake walk

 

[chaseter]

I will get angry when you call women who get an abortion murderers. I wouldn't call the idiocy you spew to be "truth."

People who are brain dead still have beating hearts. They're not really alive anymore. So I would not consider a beating heart a life yet. I don't really know when I would consider life to start.

Personally, I would abort as soon as possible just to avoid complications. I don't think waiting to abort is a good idea unless there are health risks that appear later and an abortion is recommended.

Your judgements towards women you don't know over their personal decisions to get abortions for reasons that you are not privy to are asinine.

When does life begin to you? State a timeline.

 

[Mechanix]

When does life begin to you? State a timeline.

No. I'm not getting into this with you. Your attitude is atrocious.

 

[chaseter]

Seems like some men like to think that carrying a baby for 9 months is a cake walk

And some people are ok with living the rest of their life unmoved by taking the life of the unborn child that they created. What a world right?

 

[Mechanix]

And some people are ok with living the rest of their life unmoved by taking the life of the unborn child that they created. What a world right?

You don't know if they're unmoved. Seriously, you think every woman who gets an abortion walks out of the clinic super happy and carefree?

The "taking of a life" as you call it is a philosophical debate. There is no consensus on when life begins.

 

[chaseter]

No. I'm not getting into this with you. Your attitude is atrocious.

So you can't or won't define what constitutes life but you can tell me I'm wrong for defining what I think constitutes life?

I haven't called you or anyone specific a name or typed out any ad hominem attacks on your character. Yet, you have and my attitude is atrocious?

 

[herakles]

I have already stated numerous times that I protect myself. I take the pill and use condoms.

If I were to get pregnant after taking the steps to protect myself, I would abort. I don't want children. And I don't feel like I should have to carry a baby to term or raise it if I did what I could to avoid getting pregnant.

IF you do not want children then sterilize yourself? Or use the hormone implant?

Seems like some men like to think that carrying a baby for 9 months is a cake walk

It isn't. My wife was pregnant while it was somewhat easy that changed in the last 6 weeks when she was extremely uncomfortable. But of course she was a older mom. Older women usually have harder pregnancies than say teenagers.

 

[herakles]

please delete

 

[Mechanix]

IF you do not want children then sterilize yourself? Or use the hormone implant?

No. I don't want any implants, especially ones that release hormones.

As for tubal ligation, I'm not sold on it given the risks involved. I've been using birth control for years and it's kept me pregnancy free so I'll keep going with that.

 

[chaseter]

You don't know if they're unmoved. Seriously, you think every woman who gets an abortion walks out of the clinic super happy and carefree?

The "taking of a life" as you call it is a philosophical debate. There is no consensus on when life begins.

If someone murders a pregnant mother, is it only homicide? Was Lacy Peterson's baby inside her not a life? How did her husband, Scott get convicted of double homicide (in CA of all places)?