Discussion: Planned Parenthood

[hippie_hunter]

where the hell are you shopping $12 for a nine pack at CVS

$9 for a 36 pack of Trojans at Wal-Mart

 

[Handsome Rob]

Your charity sounds more like sponsorship. Do you wait and see if the bartender is looking when you put money in the tip jar?

When you give money to St. Jude Children's Research Hospital, they don't tell the little five-year old with leukemia, "And this round of chemo is brought to you by Handsome Rob."

When you donate canned goods to the local food bank, they don't slap your name on a can of green beans.

You don't scratch your name into the coins you drop into the Salvation Army bucket outside of the grocery store, do you?

If help comes to people through private charitable organizations, the large majority of those people will never know the donors that provided the funds to make it happen. Sure, if you give huge sums, you may get your name on a building or wing of a hospital. But how many of us have the money to do that? I don't.

The organization itself may have your name for tax purposes, but you will almost always be anonymous to the people you help.

But, at least the person who gives of his own volition is actually being charitable. Having part of your tax funds go to welfare doesn't make you charitable. Supporting the taxation of others to provide welfare sure doesn't make you charitable.

Generosity with the money of others isn't generosity. You didn't make the sacrifice . . . they did. Period.

 

[redhawk23]

When you give money to St. Jude Children's Research Hospital, they don't tell the little five-year old with leukemia, "And this round of chemo is brought to you by Handsome Rob."

When you donate canned goods to the local food bank, they don't slap your name on a can of green beans.

You don't scratch your name into the coins you drop into the Salvation Army bucket outside of the grocery store, do you?

If help comes to people through private charitable organizations, the large majority of those people will never know the donors that provided the funds to make it happen. Sure, if you give huge sums, you may get your name on a building or wing of a hospital. But how many of us have the money to do that? I don't.

The organization itself may have your name for tax purposes, but you will almost always be anonymous to the people you help.

But, at least the person who gives of his own volition is actually being charitable. Having part of your tax funds go to welfare doesn't make you charitable. Supporting the taxation of others to provide welfare sure doesn't make you charitable.

Generosity with the money of others isn't generosity. You didn't make the sacrifice . . . they did. Period.

Its not about being charitable. There are severe social problems with recognized practical solutions that other industrialized nations use but we dont do to our devotion to a different set of ideologies that are getting us nowhere. It's not about generosity, its about using available resources to fix the problems at hand.

 

[StorminNorman]

Your charity sounds more like sponsorship. Do you wait and see if the bartender is looking when you put money in the tip jar?

I don't see the logic, but I'll play.

If it is a small tip that comes from simply not providing bad service, no. If, however, the bartender does something worthy of extra consideration, I certainly make sure he knows I appreciate the service.

Though most of my tips are done with a card anyway.

I see no reason to tip people for having safe sex. It is their loves impacted by stds and parenthood.

 

[Marx]

According to the AP, a federal judge has blocked the parts of Indiana's new abortion law that cuts off public funding to Planned Parenthood.

 

[Matt]

That's going to get overturned. A federal court cannot tell a state what private institution they have to fund.

 

[SentinelMind]

Let's take away the one joy poor people have. Sex.

So if we don't financially subsidize your sex life, there's no way for you to enjoy it? God, your entitlement attitude sickens me. You do realize that giving out these subsidize, you reward and increase risky behavior. I don't think you're "helping poor people" by encouraging them to have sex 24/7 on tax payer's dime.

 

[SentinelMind]

The other side has already been given in this thread. You argue in favor of more financially stable, middle to upper class people. I argue in favor of more financially unstable, lower class people.

I can see your point. I really can. I just don't believe that it's right to leave poorer people to fend for themselves. Planned Parenthood is about a lot more than abortion procedures and birth control. (As has been said in this thread already.)

Then's lets agree to fund PP's competition that provides cancer screenings (actual medically necessary procedures) without abortions/birth control pills/social engineering-entitlement services.

 

[Franklin Richards]

"We"?

It's "us".

 

[Schlosser85]

"We"?

It's "us".

What "us"?

Myself and my friends and some white trash welfare abuser who buys beer with food stamps are not part of the same "people", and there is no "us".

All men may be created equal, but all mean are NOT equal. I'm sorry, but the notion that everyone is as good as everyone else is bull****.

And I'm not talking any kind of inherent genetic eugenics supremacy deal, I'm talking about how people live their lives.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Ok. I'm tired of the circle.


I think contraception is a great investment for our tax dollars.

 

[Schlosser85]

A circle has no end

Fundamental differences in philosophy, fine, agree to disagree.

I've never argued against investing in and encouraging contraception. In fact, I think, and have said in this very thread, that I support it over abstinence only programs because I think they're unrealistic.

 

[Marx]

UPDATE: PLANNED PARENTHOOD DEFUNDING FIGHT MOVING TO KANSAS
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/27/planned-parenthood-wins-first-victory_n_885454.html

 

[Marx]

UPDATE: TEXAS MOVES TO DEFUND PLANNED PARENTHOOD
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/28/texas-gop-defund-planned-parenthood_n_886227.html

 

[Matt]

 

[Handsome Rob]

UPDATE: TEXAS MOVES TO DEFUND PLANNED PARENTHOOD
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/28/texas-gop-defund-planned-parenthood_n_886227.html

Good. Let the private sector fund Planned Parenthood if it wants to.

I see no reason for the Federal Government to be subsidizing any private organization. If the left is so adamant on PP's importance, then let them donate their own money or have fundraisers to raise money for it.

Spoiler

And just a pre-emptive response, here: When I say any private organization, I mean it. So don't come to me about subsidies for "teh Big Oil" or whatever little Republican-backed subsidy you (not you personally, Marx, but "you" in general) think I support. When I say no subsidies for private organizations, that includes any business, charity, etc. I oppose all subsidies . . . ALL subsidies. ALL. Todos.

 

[Marx]

Good. Let the private sector fund Planned Parenthood if it wants to.

I see no reason for the Federal Government to be subsidizing any private organization. If the left is so adamant on PP's importance, then let them donate their own money or have fundraisers to raise money for it.

Spoiler

And just a pre-emptive response, here: When I say any private organization, I mean it. So don't come to me about subsidies for "teh Big Oil" or whatever little Republican-backed subsidy you (not you personally, Marx, but "you" in general) think I support. When I say no subsidies for private organizations, that includes any business, charity, etc. I oppose all subsidies . . . ALL subsidies. ALL. Todos.

If you oppose any and all subsidies...that's respectable and admirable man. You don't pick and choose.

 

[Marx]

According to the AP, the South Dakota chapter of Planned Parenthood was granted a "preliminary injunction" over the state's abortion law. The injunction prevents the law from going into effect while it's being contested.

 

[Marx]

According to a recent CNN poll, 65 percent of americans support continued government funding for Planned Parenthood.

 

[Marx]

UPDATE: TEXAS CLINIC HIT WITH MOLOTOV COCKTAIL
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/28/texas-planned-parenthood-_n_912710.html

 

[Schlosser85]

I always find it ironic how these extremists say abortion is murder, but have no problem using violence themselves.

 

[Lead Cenobite]

Well I'm not agreeing with the violence, but from their perspective, abortion is murder, so they're fighting what they perceive as violence with violence.

 

[Marx]

...this particular clinic did not perform abortions. Just saying...

 

[Lead Cenobite]

I can understand the opposition to abortion but I don't understand the uproar contraceptives and condoms cause. Like the rednecks that do this crap haven't jerked off before.

 

[Marx]

According to the AP, a federal judge has blocked a Kansas law that would seek to defund the state's Planned Parenthood chapter.