Discussion: Planned Parenthood

[danoyse]

If private entities want to fund Planned Parenthood, let them use their own money. Keep the government out of the abortion factory.

It's not an abortion. That's stupid and ignorant.

I'd like the government to let me decide who controls my own uterus, thank you very much.

 

[SentinelMind]

it's not an abortion? I know, its an abortion factory.

control your own uterus....just make sure you pay consequences for your actions. that's all decent people ask.

 

[Marx]

Do you know how small of a percentage abortion procedures at Planned Parenthood actually are compared to their overall services Sent?

 

[SentinelMind]

decent people protect those who cannot speak up for themselves, Marx.

EDIT: Editted your quote pretty quick..making mine seem pretty random now.

 

[Marx]

decent people protect those who cannot speak up for themselves, Marx.

I think the decent thing is allowing women to have control over their own bodies man.

 

[SentinelMind]

what about the body within the body? just tough luck?

 

[Trainwreck2100]

It IS an abortion factory, it just does other stuff people that protest don't care about.

 

[danoyse]

it's not an abortion? I know, its an abortion factory.

control your own uterus....just make sure you pay consequences for your actions. that's all decent people ask.

It's not an abortion factory. Congrats on calling out a typo.

Are you saying I'm not a decent person? What exactly do you know about me?

Probably about as much as the two women who stopped me and my mother outside of a doctor's office when I was 16 and asked my mother to tell them if I was having an abortion.

I was there for an eye doctor appointment. And it was none of their damn business why we were there.

As my mother raged to my dad about it later, "What if I was taking her there for an abortion? What the hell did they think they were going to do about it?"

That was the moment in my life that exemplifies why I am pro-choice, and how much I understand why something like this is a private matter.

Because I know that if I had gotten pregnant at 16, my parents would have done everything they could to help avoid me having an abortion. But if that did wind up being something we had to do, it would have been an absolutely agonizing decision for us.

We wouldn't have needed two women with signs calling us whatever they planned on calling us if I was going into that office to have an abortion. It was none of their damn business.

Even now, I could never have an abortion. I could never kill my own baby.

But it exists, no matter how much people try to pretend it doesn't, and if it exists, it should be kept safe, legal, and private.

But I know women who've had them. As soon as I say that, I always get "Well, why did they have them?" And to that...it's none of their damn business either. These are women they don't know, will never know, so they're not their friends to judge. I have my own judgements on their reasons, and I accept they weren't my decisions to make.

As far as the politics going into Planned Parenthood, and efforts to stop birth control: I'm just damn sick of it.

I'm tired of "personhood" amendments that would basically call two of my friends murderers for having their tubes tied after they were done having children.

I'm tired of laws that make women have to go through ultrasounds they don't need (while the fathers are required to do nothing) so they can be treated like a dog who made a mess on the floor because they made a choice that is completely legal.

I'm tired of politicians trying to put limits on contraception. We should be able to pick up birth control pills without the pharmacist treating us like we're the ****es of Babylon for needing or wanting them.

I'm tired of watching a friend who does tireless good work for low-income families get threatened by a church group because her organization used the facilities at Planned Parenthood.

Overall, I'm tired of women's health issues getting trampled on in this country. I don't think that makes me an un-decent person at all.

 

[SentinelMind]

Even now, I could never have an abortion. I could never kill my own baby.

So we agree an abortion involves killing a baby.

How can we as a people stand aside as an industry makes millions butchering babies? Where is our conscience?

A parent can't defend abusing their own child in living room, using the excuse "its none of your business." That shouldn't be an excuse in the abortionist clinic either.

 

[Paradoxium]

Hate to say it, infanticide is cheaper than paying a single mom welfare. On top of which, single mothers produces the highest rate of youth delinquency. If I were a social conservative I'd rather a child be raised by gay parents than a single mother.

 

[danoyse]

So we agree an abortion involves killing a baby.

How can we as a people stand aside as an industry makes millions butchering babies? Where is our conscience?

A parent can't defend abusing their own child in living room, using the excuse "its none of your business." That shouldn't be an excuse in the abortionist clinic either.

Where did I ever say an abortion wasn't killing a baby?

That's exactly what it is. And I don't like it. I never have.

But the cold facts are is that it exists. Women are going to have them one way or another. And for that, the procedure should be kept safe, legal, and private.

And it's no one's damn business. I learned the importance of privacy the day those two women ran up to me and my mother ready to pounce.

It was such a galling invasion of privacy that I never forgot it. I already knew exactly what abortion was and what I thought of it (and was actually on their side), but that was the moment I understood what the right to privacy was.

That's not the only time I've seen it: there was a clinic near the school I was going to a few years later. It was a family clinic. I saw kids and parents going in and out of the place all of the time.

And of course, there they were at the door with their aborted fetus signs and their pamphlets, pestering every single person walking in and out of the door. One of them tried to stop me as I was walking to the deli for lunch. I kept walking.

I'm not against the pro-life movement. I think we need people there to encourage life and options other than this one, and make sure we do get to bring as many of these children into the world.

But I also believe that women have the right to make that choice for themselves. And I despise the idea that we have punish entire facilities and women who aren't having abortions. That's despicable.

 

[SentinelMind]

Where did I ever say an abortion wasn't killing a baby?

That's exactly what it is. And I don't like it. I never have.

But the cold facts are is that it exists. Women are going to have them one way or another. And for that, the procedure should be kept safe, legal, and private..

Pedophiles exist too. So I guess....

 

[SentinelMind]

Seriously danoy...how can you be ok with the killing of babies? I appreciate your honesty and that you don't do the semantics dance, but...seriously..skin just crawled...killing babies?

 

[Lighthouse]

Pedophiles exist too. So I guess....

Holy ****, this is the worst analogy I've ever seen.

 

[Paradoxium]

Every Right comes with Responsibilities and consequences. This is the nature of Rights. It sounds nice in theory but accrues costs.

So yes, I actually agree you (Danoyse) have the right to abort, but it doesn't mean you are entitled to public funds for your benefit, when a pretty big cross section has a problem with it.

That said I still support it cause it is cheaper and less costlier in the long run. And the man doesn't have to pay alimony for 18 god damn years.

 

[Lighthouse]

Every Right comes with Responsibilities and consequences. This is the nature of Rights. It sounds nice in theory but accrues costs.

So yes, I actually agree you (Danoyse) have the right to abort, but it doesn't mean you are entitled to public funds for your benefit, when a pretty big cross section has a problem with it.

That said I still support it cause it is cheaper and less costlier in the long run. And the man doesn't have to pay alimony for 18 god damn years.

It would be even less costly if Republicans got on board with contraception.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I can't take any pro-life argument seriously if they say they are opposed to the use of contraception.

 

[Anita18]

I don't like the killing of fetuses either, but it simply skeeves me out MORE that we should treat women like incubators instead. Once a woman is pregnant, she ceases to exist as a person and is a human incubator. That's what the anti-choicers are saying when they take away a woman's right to choose.

That's basically it. Abortion sucks, but taking away the individuality of someone sucks more.

 

[Schlosser85]

If the USA were ever to overturn Roe vs. Wade, rich women would get abortions in Canada, and poor women would get them from some quack in an alleyway and die of an infection, just like back in the good old "wholesome" '50s where people had family values and conservatives seem to think there weren't any gay people or abortions.

 

[danoyse]

And...they're backing down:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-120203komen-planned-parenthood,0,7837055.story

Komen reverses move to cut Planned Parenthood funding

NEW YORK— Susan G. Komen for the Cure said today it was retreating from a decision to cut funding to Planned Parenthood, which provides abortion and birth control services, and apologized for a move that thrust the world's largest breast cancer charity into a deeply politicized controversy.

"We will continue to fund existing grants, including those of Planned Parenthood, and preserve their eligibility to apply for future grants, while maintaining the ability of our affiliates to make funding decisions that meet the needs of their communities," Komen said in a statement.

More details to come.

 

[danoyse]

I mean, honestly...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/03/susan-g-komen-planned-parenthood-handgun_n_1252448.html

Susan G. Komen Foundation Maintains Apparent Partnership With Handgun Seller

WASHINGTON -- The Susan G. Komen Foundation may not want to have anything to do with Planned Parenthood, but it appears to have no problem associating itself with handguns.

Business Insider first reported Thursday that Komen, which has come under fire this week for cutting off its funding for Planned Parenthood in what appears to be a politically motivated move, has apparently maintained a partnership with a gun seller that offers a pink "Hope" handgun.

"Discount Gun Sales is proud to team up with the Susan B. Koman [sic] Foundation to offer the Walther P-22 Hope Edition in recognition of Breast Cancer Awareness Month. A portion of each P-22 Hope Edition will be donated to the Seattle Branch of the Susan G. Komen Foundation," reads the description on the gun seller's website. "The P-22 Hope Edition has an exclusive DuraCoat Pink slide in recognition of Breast Cancer Awareness month. Utilizing the same reliable controls and firing mechanism that has made the Walther P-22 America's top selling handgun, the Hope Edition will be a limited production pistol offered exclusively through Discount Gun Sales."

Specs include a pink slide and black frame, and a "modern, eye catching high tech design."

It's unclear how official the partnership is between Komen and Discount Gun Sales, particularly since the gun website misspells Komen in its description. Neither Komen's national headquarters nor its Seattle branch immediately returned phone messages and email requests for comment from The Huffington Post. A request for comment from Discount Gun Sales was also not immediately returned.

Susan G. Komen, the nation's largest breast cancer charity, announced Tuesday that it had adopted a new rule against partnering with organizations that are under investigation, and that it would therefore sever ties with Planned Parenthood, which is currently under investigation in Congress. The announcement prompted an enormous backlash against the charity from lawmakers, women's health advocates and the public, and Planned Parenthood received hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations.

Komen maintains that anti-abortion pressure and the recent hiring of vice president Karen Handel, who ran for governor of Georgia on an anti-Planned Parenthood platform in 2010, had nothing to do with the decision to cut off the $600,000 it donated to the organization annually to fund breast exams.

"Many of the grants we were doing with Planned Parenthood do not meet new standards of criteria for how we can measure our results and effectiveness in communities," Komen founder Nancy Brinker said in a Thursday interview with MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell.

"Karen did not have anything to do with this decision. This was decided at the board level and also by our mission, Andrea. Everything that we get up and do every day is about the mission. To provide women, vulnerable populations, with care, treatment, and screening."

 

[danoyse]

Every Right comes with Responsibilities and consequences. This is the nature of Rights. It sounds nice in theory but accrues costs.

So yes, I actually agree you (Danoyse) have the right to abort, but it doesn't mean you are entitled to public funds for your benefit, when a pretty big cross section has a problem with it.

That said I still support it cause it is cheaper and less costlier in the long run. And the man doesn't have to pay alimony for 18 god damn years.

I agree with that too. If the money allocated for Planned Parenthood is not to be used for abortion (and I'm fine with that) and they suspect that it is, make them open their books and investigate.

Ideally, fix the problem. Don't punish the women who use those facilities for so many other reasons, who need the help. Doesn't sound particularly pro-life (or particularly pro-Christian) to me.

 

[danoyse]

I can't take any pro-life argument seriously if they say they are opposed to the use of contraception.

That one worries me the most. Women use birth control for health reasons as well as using them as a form of contraception. Doctors will perscribe them for even just a month to women who are trying to get pregnant just to regulate their cycle or prevent an ovarian cyst.

Even if they try to limit their use for medicinal reasons (and good luck with that), how do they enforce that? Is a woman supposed to stand at a pharmacy counter and have to justify that she's not a murderer or a **** before she can get her perscription?

Men don't have fight for their erectile dysfunction drugs, women should haven't to fight for our birth control pills.

 

[SentinelMind]

Holy ****, this is the worst analogy I've ever seen.

Nope, its an adequate analogy. Just because lots of people are doing evil regardless of the rules...doesn't mean we should change rules to allow more evil to triumph in our society. There are pedophiles who will use that argument to lower age of consent.

 

[Trainwreck2100]

Men don't have fight for their erectile dysfunction drugs, women should haven't to fight for our birth control pills.

wait..........seriously? that's the analogy you are going to use?