Discussion: Racism - Part 2

[MaceB]

In a dream land, that'd work. I guess you're just venting and laying out what you'd like emotionally... even though you know it'd never work in practice. I wanted to pierce through that and get at the more practical you.. but whatever, not worth it.

 

[Kyle]

Yes, venting. As I stated before, there is no practicality to the statement, talking about it like it's real and possible to me is like talking about the existence of unicorns. It's just as real as unicorns, which is not at all.

It's like John Goodman saying Trump supporters should dome themselves off. Now, does he actually mean make them live through an actual 'Under the Dome' scenario? Kinda doubt it. Just like I'm not talking for real here. Just the dream of them going the heck away. Or as Will Smith put cleansing them out of this country. Not possible. But many emotions are going there.

 

[MaceB]

Pretty childish mate. Especially your language. You've been called out at least twice today for your language, which you claim to be sarcastic or joking, but doesn't sound sarcastic or joking at all. Might want to work on that.

 

[Kyle]

Dude, as said before, I'm not someone who cares. I'm blunt. If I hurt a racists' feelings if any read and are, I'd be happy with that. As un PC as that might be now "how dare you insult racists! That's so childish!" I just don't care anymore. Used to. More than a month of hearing 'build the wall' with Trump Dump in charge has zapped that out of me.

Hope these next four years are better for you than they are for me, cause for me the world's suddenly a much more dangerous place than it was two months ago.

 

[moviedoors]

Dude, as said before, I'm not someone who cares. I'm blunt. If I hurt a racists' feelings if any read and are, I'd be happy with that. As un PC as that might be now "how dare you insult racists! That's so childish!" I just don't care anymore. Used to. More than a month of hearing 'build the wall' with Trump Dump in charge as zapped that out of me.

No one takes the time to write the thousands of words that you because they don't care. That's fine. It's good to care. But you should be willing to stand by the things you say and be willing to self examine when you might be off.

 

[Kyle]

No one takes the time to write the thousands of words that you because they don't care. That's fine. It's good to care. But you should be willing to stand by the things you say and be willing to self examine when you might be off.

I do stand by in making fun of racists. I said I wear that like a badge of honor. Someone might say I'm wrong. I'm not for violence, but I'm not for taking it easy on them either to any degree. Is my dream separation from them? Yes. Is it practical? No and I never said it was nor did I think anyone would take that seriously just like I doubt people thought Goodman was serious in 'Under the Trump Dome' talks. To some I am wrong, to me I'm not. You are more than open in viewing the level of my disgust in them as wrong and I respect that. As a member of one of the victimized groups though, I don't align with that - hope I did.

 

[DeadPresident]

If you take away the categories you sound exactly like a racist does about not caring about a minority's feelings. Fight fire with fire, eh? Recipe for success.

 

[Kyle]

If you take away the categories you sound exactly like a racist does about not caring about a minority's feelings. Fight fire with fire, eh? Recipe for success.

To each their own. I am radical, but I do have lines - no violence.

 

[DeadPresident]

To each their own. I am radical, but I do have lines - no violence.

Don't flatter yourself, you're posting tripe on a message board. You're not radical, you're something else.

 

[Kyle]

Don't flatter yourself, you're posting tripe on a message board. You're not radical, you're something else.

That I do in real life as well. A jerk? You're free to think that. Radical means one who goes outside of the norms. Extremist works better for you? Whatever it is, you're free to think it. I don't care about the feelings of racists and never will, especially not when they're chanting to throw people like me out of the country. I'm hating a hate group that lumps and hates all minorities together, but I guess in today's world that's heresy.

 

[DeadPresident]

That I do in real life as well. A jerk? You're free to think that. Radical means one who goes outside of the norms. Extremist works better for you? Whatever it is, you're free to think it. I don't care about the feelings of racists and never will, especially not when they're chanting to throw people like me out of the country. I'm hating a hate group that lumps and hates all minorities together, but I guess in today's world that's heresy.

What's this group, exactly?

Your self-righteous melodrama is painful to watch. You're not radical and you're not going against the norm. In fact, spazzing out over every little perceived slight is rather common these days. It's because people like you can't distinguish what matters from what doesn't that reasonable discourse about serious social topics is all but impossible now.

 

[Kyle]

Bigots: sexists, racists, xenophobics, anti semetics, homophobics, etc.

Yep, I am so wrong for getting upset whenever I see bigots knock or harass a minority and for thinking civil rights does matter. I am so wrong for mocking bigots, I should be yelling about how every single attack on minorities isn't important and shouldn't be brought up or mentioned instead. I'm sorry, you're right, I'm wrong. I'm a snowflake or a cluck, another term being thrown around in ever increasing numbers.

* retreating into a cave for four years, hoping when I come out the statue of liberty isn't somewhere in the sand *

 

[DeadPresident]

 

[ban768]

That I do in real life as well. A jerk? You're free to think that. Radical means one who goes outside of the norms. Extremist works better for you? Whatever it is, you're free to think it. I don't care about the feelings of racists and never will, especially not when they're chanting to throw people like me out of the country. I'm hating a hate group that lumps and hates all minorities together, but I guess in today's world that's heresy.

John Cleese vs Extremism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLNhPMQnWu4

 

[Kyle]

Lol, in that is funny. I apologize in advance for the perhaps confusing verbosity of the below to some, yet perhaps not - I do not know.

To me here's the thing about reality distortion fields. One views oneself as moderate, the opposition views that same as either an extremist and on that same hand the reverse is seen as true with the opposition seen as the extremist. Same goes for the freedom fighter and the terrorist - "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" as the saying goes, look to the American Revolution for example. Basically the only true moderation I believe is through being able to see and acknowledge that at any one moment in time one is seen as both the positive and the negative force depending on who is asked. Personally, I view holding one's opinion and saying they respect the other's opinion (as I always opt to do so, since I am not one who likes to view my views as anything close to resembling fact) despite not agreeing with it is moderation and those who must absolutely have their opinion be seen as fact by all or at least the opposition (as if to say disagreeing party) is extremism. Then again that is my own personal reality distortion field and I may very well be wrong despite believing that I am right. And I believe, although, I might be wrong that one will call me out for saying as such with stating in variable words "you are wrong, I am right." You may very well be, hypothetically, I accept and welcome that difference between us(or the disagreeing parties whatever the course may be doing so as well, which is actually increasingly and sadly rare these days). Whereupon I see, myself, as moderation for doing so although you are guaranteed to have those who disagree with that seeking to hold opinion as fact and they are more than open to do so as well. In that fact, it is less I see myself as an extremist rather in knowing and acknowledging those who don't agree with me will view me in the negative and vice versa. Whereupon they are more than welcome to do so as that comes from one's very human nature as if to say it's a natural part of life and disconcent.

I do readily acknowledge in being radical since I do know many may not align with me, and they are more than welcome to do so, it is something that I actually encourage.

As said, sorry for the verbosity of the above. It's old English. Watching American Revolution film scenes then writing the above (merely coincidental) the verbosity was of transference.

 

[Reek]

Pretty childish mate. Especially your language. You've been called out at least twice today for your language, which you claim to be sarcastic or joking, but doesn't sound sarcastic or joking at all. Might want to work on that.

Oh, Kyle is making a bunch of questionable posts then claiming he was joking? Must be a Thursday. Next, he'll go back to his post hours later and include one of his 'ADDING' rants, but still be joking.

 

[dude stannis]

He's not racist, he's transferring the verbosity of racism.

 

[Kyle]

Actually no joke posts at all (except for the statue of liberty one, that was all sarcasm). I stand firmly by what I said. What I am saying is the way one chooses to view that is entirely up to them and they're free to view that however they so wish to do so and I respect their difference in opinion on it. If I offended bigots by speaking out against them, that's not something I am nor ever will be apologetic for and see no reason to be. Some might be sympathetic for the devil and hey if they are they are more than free and open to feel that way, I respect that. That's just not a full sympathy that I will ever possess.

I'm going to continue living in the glory days where we made fun of nazis and the kkk and other hate groups without feeling all that sorry for bringing it on themselves. I know, I know, I'm despicable for disparaging nazis now, I just can't help it (lol).

 

[Reek]

 

[Marvolo]

If you take away the categories you sound exactly like a racist does about not caring about a minority's feelings. Fight fire with fire, eh? Recipe for success.

Oh yes those poor racists and their feelings. Won't anyone think about the poor racists and their feelings?

 

[DeadPresident]

Oh yes those poor racists and their feelings. Won't anyone think about the poor racists and their feelings?

I didn't say anyone needed to care about their feelings, but he runs around here thinking he has the moral high ground when he "hates racists". As cute as that sounds when you're on a playground it achieves nothing except making him feel better about himself. Hating racists and disregarding them as human beings is all fantastic, but how does it solve the problem he claims to care about?

RIP reasonable discussion.

 

[Reek]

this thread is going to be soooo much fun

 

[Kyle]

I didn't say anyone needed to care about their feelings, but he runs around here thinking he has the moral high ground when he "hates racists". As cute as that sounds when you're on a playground it achieves nothing except making him feel better about himself. Hating racists and disregarding them as human beings is all fantastic, but how does it solve the problem he claims to care about?

RIP reasonable discussion.

No moral high ground or feeling better about myself to be had, since being disgusted by bigots is typically the norm for most people - I just view myself as being like most people in this country thank God. If you want to view me and it that way, view me and it that way. I just hold zero sympathy for bigots and won't ever talk good about them nor stop ridiculing them. Call me anything you like for hating and mocking bigots, you are completely open to doing so.

Also something tells me, although I may be wrong, there are no bigots on SHH to be mocked or to take offense by anything negative said about bigotry. To me it's just offending, or in your case defending, a wall (throwing things against a wall, not Trumpty Dumpty's wall where he'll have a great fall and no one will want to put him back together again).

But, as said, you're more than open to viewing it and me for doing so however you may wish to do so.

 

[RockSP]

I'm reminded of the MLK quote:
"Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night that's already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."

Have the courage to be kind to your enemies. They're just afraid, and angry, and looking for someone to blame. We've all been there at one point or another. We shouldn't punish them for having weaknesses we all possess. We need to show them by example another way. Prove, through our actions, that we aren't a threat to them.

Nope, no coddling of racists in this day and age.

 

[hellified]

I didn't say anyone needed to care about their feelings, but he runs around here thinking he has the moral high ground when he "hates racists". As cute as that sounds when you're on a playground it achieves nothing except making him feel better about himself. Hating racists and disregarding them as human beings is all fantastic, but how does it solve the problem he claims to care about?

RIP reasonable discussion.

But isn't that what the election was about..the repudiation of the lefts penchant for labeling the right a bunch of racist then talking down to them ignoring their feelings and concerns.