🇺🇸 Discussion: The DEMOCRATIC P - Part 3

[CaptainWagner]

Personally, I think Gabbard is a fine candidate. I certainly don't understand how the likes of Bannon and Duke have backed her, other than playing mind games. I just hate how people are acting like trying to find a peaceful solution in Syria was a bad thing. Or ignoring the fact that Obama was also anti-gay rights until his views "evolved".

Regardless, Brown is the best out of those who officially are interested. I love Castro, but know there's too many idiots who will freak out at his name to be viable in swing states. It's looking likely that Beto will announce when he meets with Oprah, which will be huge. But if him and Castro go national, who is left to challenge Cornyn?

 

[Sithborg]

I mean, there is a second Castro. Beto could also make another run at it.

 

[MaceB]

I didn't create this, but here's a little proffer on why liberals are skeptical about Gabbard.

Tulsi Gabbard comes from a family of conservative activists, most famous for their opposition to gay marriage in Hawaii: Tulsi Gabbard Is Not Your Friend

Tulsi Gabbard has said her personal views on LGBT equality haven't changed as recently as 2015: Is Tulsi Gabbard the Next Bernie Sanders?

Tulsi Gabbard is rated "F" by Progressive Punch for voting with Republicans, despite the strong progressive lean of her district:



Tulsi Gabbard was nearly a part of Trump's cabinet at Steve bannon's suggestion:Sanders Supporter Rep. Tulsi Gabbard Being Considered for Trump Cabinet

Bannon set up Trump-Gabbard meeting

Tulsi Gabbard has also been praised multiple times by Steve Bannon, Trump's former strategist and prolific white nationalist propagandist: Bannon name drops Hawaii congresswoman in national interview

Tulsi Gabbard declined to join 169 Democrats in condemning Trump for appointing Steve Bannon to his cabinet: https://mauitime.com/news/politics/...in-denouncing-trump-appointee-stephen-bannon/

Tulsi Gabbard isn't anti-war. She's a self-described hawk against terrorists. Her narrow objections center around efforts to spread democracy: "In short, when it comes to the war against terrorists, I'm a hawk," Gabbard said. "When it comes to counterproductive wars of regime change, I'm a dove.": The rise of Gabbard: No telling how far independent path will take her | Tulsi Gabbard - Fighting for the people.

Tulsi Gabbard copies the rhetoric of Republicans: Gabbard voted against condemning Bashar al-Assad, president of Syria, and was praised by conservative media for publicly challenging President Barack Obama over his refusal to use the term "Islamic extremism" when discussing terrorism: Tulsi Gabbard slams Obama’s refusal to say ‘Islamic extremism’

Tulsi Gabbard has multiple connections to Hindu nationalists: https://www.alternet.org/civil-libe...bic-politics-dem-congressmember-tulsi-gabbard

Tulsi Gabbard frequently repeats Russian talking points and works to legitimize Assad:Tulsi Gabbard reveals she met Assad in Syria, without informing top Democrats

Tulsi Gabbard was one of only 3 representatives to not condemn Assad for gassing Syrian civilians and the only Democrat: Text - H.Con.Res.121 - 114th Congress (2015-2016): Expressing the sense of the Congress condemning the gross violations of international law amounting to war crimes and crimes against humanity by the Government of Syria, its allies, and other parties to the conflict in Syria, and asking the President to direct his Ambassador at the United Nations to promote the establishment of a war crimes tribunal where these crimes could be addressed.

Tulsi Gabbard has introduced legislation pushed by GOP-megadonor, Sheldon Adelson: Republican donor's attack on online gambling shadows talk of 2016 | Reuters

Tulsi was later awarded a "Champions of Freedom" medal at Adelson's annual gala in 2016: Tulsi Gabbard: The Bernie-Endorsing Congresswoman Who Trump Fans Can Love

 

[Teelie]

A lot not to like about Gabbard there.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

A lot not to like about Gabbard there.

I think that's a bit of an understatement. I wanted to have an open mind but JEEZ... I started with, "Well she's just a more conservative Dem than most." That shifted to "I suppose she's found advantage triangulating a bit against her own party and leaders and that means sometimes making a grandstand to differentiate herself." By the end I was like "Oh... She's a reactionary that found it better to play to Dems to win."

She's seeming now like a bit of a female Lieberman.

 

[terry78]

Ocasio-Cortez responds to Aaron Sorkin directing young Dems to ‘stop acting like young people’

Hmm.

 

[MaceB]

That's a quality answer. I have to say... I'm usually very apprehensive about incoming flavors of the week... but AOC has been a refreshing change of pace so far. She's comes at things from a fresh perspective, and she is knocking it out of the park as far as I'm concerned.

Like this very argument... what other statesman or woman is out there right now, going "Apathy isn't the problem - it's that we're taking voters for granted." ? It's a really refreshing thing to here. I didn't even know that I wanted to hear something like that until I just read it. She feels very unscripted and as if she's not pushing the typical talking points; I absolutely love it.

 

[terry78]

Somebody called her the liberal Trump.

 

[MaceB]

I can't speak to her level of intelligence yet, unfortunately. She seems very insightful and coherent as far as I can tell. What comes across for me is the energy, and the willingness to argue against the conventional wisdom. I suppose some people could think the same for Trump. But since he's an obvious moron, it's a little different.

 

[Teelie]

I don't really see the comparison. For starters she is not a rich old white guy with the intelligence of a grapefruit who lies on a daily basis just going from one room to another. She hasn't made promises she never intends to keep or could never keep, she hasn't bankrupted herself several times over or not paid her workers. She isn't orange either. Nor has she thrown a temper tantrum on Twitter and shut down the government for over a month.

Where is the comparison coming from again?

 

[moviedoors]

I don't really see the comparison. For starters she is not a rich old white guy with the intelligence of a grapefruit who lies on a daily basis just going from one room to another. She hasn't made promises she never intends to keep or could never keep, she hasn't bankrupted herself several times over or not paid her workers. She isn't orange either. Nor has she thrown a temper tantrum on Twitter and shut down the government for over a month.

Where is the comparison coming from again?

I recall everyone's favorite MIA centrist said that, so it was coming from a disingenuous place.

 

[AResistor]

I don't really see the comparison. For starters she is not a rich old white guy with the intelligence of a grapefruit who lies on a daily basis just going from one room to another. She hasn't made promises she never intends to keep or could never keep, she hasn't bankrupted herself several times over or not paid her workers. She isn't orange either. Nor has she thrown a temper tantrum on Twitter and shut down the government for over a month.

Where is the comparison coming from again?

A Hillbot centrist.

 

[Herofan]

She hasn't made promises she never intends to keep or could never keep

You think she can raise the top income tax to 70%? In the next two years or even later? Or do you consider that a goal but not a promise?

 

[Teelie]

I see it as a goal, not a promise. I never read where she said she would just that she would try. Trump on other hand has promised a myriad of things that haven't happened. We're currently in a shutdown because he is trying to force a wall on everyone that only he and his blind faith supporters want.

 

[AvengerPA]

I want Joe Biden as the nominee, with either Beto O'Rourke or Kamala Harris as the running mate. Whoever is not the running mate should be made Secretary of State.

 

[Schlosser85]

I want Joe Biden as the nominee, with either Beto O'Rourke or Kamala Harris as the running mate. Whoever is not the running mate should be made Secretary of State.

I'd kind of like something like that.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

House to release all Russia probe transcripts [to Special Counsel Robert Mueller's office]: Schiff | Reuters

 

[Aximili86]

Love this "Biden's being friends with some Republicans is problematic" line of accusation against him this week.

Yeah, dumbasses, that's why he can win. He can draw in the independent that went Trump in '16. But by all means, go with your Gillibrands or Bookers whoever, and lose.

 

[Boom]

Anyone who criticizes a presidential candidate who wants to get both sides of the aisle working together again is an idiot.

 

[AResistor]

Rooting for Mayor Pete, already donated, and planning on getting involved in any way I can in his campaign since he's the one candidate I can stand behind with utter conviction. He's one of the candidates who was endorsed by Obama as being the future of the party, he was also backed by Chief Strategist for Obama's campaign - David Axelrod.

Is anyone else here planning on getting involved in actual campaigning?

 

[Manasrepublic]

I think Dwayne Johnson should run. Go full hollywood reality tv/movie superstar mode

 

[AResistor]

I think Dwayne Johnson should run. Go full hollywood reality tv/movie superstar mode

That would actually be... AWESOME!

BUT - then not so much....

It’d be awesome because he’s a Republican and he’d kick Trump’s butt in the primaries!

But, then a Democrat would likely fall to what the Rock is cooking as well...

I think he’s a more moderate Republican (or economically conservative, socially liberal) - but he’s just not the classical Presidential type. Politically he and Arnold probably think the same.

 

[Sithborg]

They chose Stacy Abrams to give the Democratic response to the State of the Union. Smart choice.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

 

[FVD]

Howard Dean to CNN: All Dem candidates qualified to be president except Tulsi Gabbard

Howard Dean, smearing the progressive candidates again. So predictable! I get that Tulsi isn't perfect, though I like her current political ads where she actually covers issues over Kamala Harris' empty platitudes in her ad. Yes, Tulsi was anti-LGBTQ for a time but she seems to have changed her stance on that now.