The 2008 Democratic and Republican Primaries

[hippie_hunter]

And Clinton just confirmed that she isn't going to drop out tonight.

 

[rdh007]

And Clinton just confirmed that she isn't going to drop out tonight.

Who?

 

[Marx]

According to CNN

SOUTH DAKOTA (Democratic Primary)

Clinton: 56%
Obama: 44%

With 35% of precints reporting

PROJECTED WINNER: Hillary Clinton

 

[hippie_hunter]

Obama won Montana.

 

[Marx]

According to CNN

MONTANA (Democratic Primary)

Clinton: 41%
Obama: 57%
No Preference: 2%

With 100% of precints reporting

PROJECTED WINNER: Barack Obama


SOUTH DAKOTA (Democratic Primary)

Clinton: 55%
Obama: 45%

With 100% of precints reporting

PROJECTED WINNER: Hillary Clinton

 

[Marx]

According to CNN

NEW MEXICO (Republican Primary)

McCain: 86%
Paul: 14%

With 100% of precints reporting

PROJECTED WINNER: John McCain


SOUTH DAKOTA (Republican Primary)

McCain: 70%
Huckabee: 17%
Paul: 7%
Uncommitted: 3%

With 99% of precints reporting

PROJECTED WINNER: John McCain

 

[Spider-Bite]

The majority of people at the time believed the evidence that was being presented for the Iraq War. Looking back on it now, we know that the case was fabricated. That doesn't, however, make the case then any less believable a few years back.

Other than the weapons weren't found, what do they know now, that they didn't know back then?

We were presented a signature supposedly by Saddam, on a document showing he tried to buy uranium. It later turned out to be forged. I learned in 10th grade, that you can make an accurate forgery simply by immitating a person's handwriting over and over again for months, sometimes years, untill your handwriting is just like theirs.

I would not have fallen for that. And anybody that paid attention to current events knew that Saddam and Osama were enemies. There is no freaking way the wife of the man who had just been president less than two years ago didn't know that. No freaking way. If average every day citizens can know it, than how could she not know it? Her husband was the leader of the free world.

She was wrong to vote the way she did, and never aplogized.

 

[Marx]

Other than the weapons weren't found, what do they know now, that they didn't know back then?

We were presented a signature supposedly by Saddam, on a document showing he tried to buy uranium. It later turned out to be forged. I learned in 10th grade, that you can make an accurate forgery simply by immitating a person's handwriting over and over again for months, sometimes years, untill your handwriting is just like theirs.

I would not have fallen for that. And anybody that paid attention to current events knew that Saddam and Osama were enemies. There is no freaking way the wife of the man who had just been president less than two years ago didn't know that. No freaking way. If average every day citizens can know it, than how could she not know it? Her husband was the leader of the free world.

She was wrong to vote the way she did, and never aplogized.

I disagree.

 

[Addendum]

If myself and others can say "Damn, I was wrong", Hillary certainly can.

 

[rdh007]

And at that time, it was truly believed that the nomination process wouldn't have become this drawn out.

Who believed that and why? People had no reason not to think that this would be a long, tough race. Unless they believed that it was merely a coronation for her majesty, her majesty included. Hubris is such a, errmmm "witch."

 

[Marx]

If myself and others can say "Damn, I was wrong", Hillary certainly can.

She has said "if she knew then what she knows now she wouldn't have done it." What more do you guys want? For her to flat out admit she was wrong? With all due respect that would serve no purpose other than more ammunition that people could throw at her. It's a matter of semantics. She said she wouldn't vote that way again if she knew everything she does now, that should be good enough.

 

[Addendum]

Flat out saying "I was wrong" or "my bad" would satisfy me, not dancing around the ****ing issue like some in the current administration. Although Bill did the same thing with the pathetic "definition of 'is'".

What makes her better than us?

 

[Spider-Bite]

She has said "if she knew then what she knows now she wouldn't have done it." What more do you guys want? For her to flat out admit she was wrong? With all due respect that would serve no purpose other than more ammunition that people could throw at her. It's a matter of semantics. She said she wouldn't vote that way again if she knew everything she does now, that should be good enough.

so what seperates her from Bush? Really nothing other than political pandering with "If I knew what I knew now." All she knows is there were no weapons of mass destruction. She had to say that, just as Bush has to say he'd still have done it.

She saw the intelligence and made the same decision Bush made. why is it that Gore, Dean, Obama, and commentators such as Chris Matthews got it right from the beginning? I got it right a month after we invaded, because that's when I started paying attention. I was only 21 years old.

She helped kill thousands of people, and destabilized an entire reigion, which has only helped the path for war with Iran. And then she learned nothing from her mistake, and went on to vote to label Iran a terrorist organization. this was just a few months ago. She voted agaisnt her party and with the republicans. Experience is useless if your too stubborn to admit when you were wrong, learn from your mistakes, and lead differently in the future.

 

[Marx]

Flat out saying "I was wrong" or "my bad" would satisfy me, not dancing around the ****ing issue like some in the current administration. Although Bill did the same thing with the pathetic "definition of 'is'".

What makes her better than us?

She gave an apology. Just because it doesn't suit you, doesn't make it any less of one Add.

so what seperates her from Bush? Really nothing other than political pandering with "If I knew what I knew now." All she knows is there were no weapons of mass destruction. She had to say that, just as Bush has to say he'd still have done it.

She saw the intelligence and made the same decision Bush made. why is it that Gore, Dean, Obama, and commentators such as Chris Matthews got it right from the beginning? I got it right a month after we invaded, because that's when I started paying attention. I was only 21 years old.

She helped kill thousands of people, and destabilized an entire reigion, which has only helped the path for war with Iran. And then she learned nothing from her mistake, and went on to vote to label Iran a terrorist organization. this was just a few months ago. She voted agaisnt her party and with the republicans. Experience is useless if your too stubborn to admit when you were wrong, learn from your mistakes, and lead differently in the future.

If you are honestly going to sit there and say that Hillary Clinton and George W. Bush are no different, I see no point in debating you.

 

[Spider-Bite]

She gave an apology. Just because it doesn't suit you, doesn't make it any less of one Add.




If you are honestly going to sit there and say that Hillary Clinton and George W. Bush are no different, I see no point in debating you.

I wasn't implying they were no different. I was specifically asking what seperates her from Bush, on the issue of liability or responsiblity for us invading.

 

[Malice]

bump

 

[Spider-Gamer]

bump

It looks like your predictions so far are coming true Malice.

 

[Malice]

yeah, I said Obama would win out...then I thought McCain would....after it was down to them a few months ago...now...I just dont know.

 

[SuBe]

Oh Great One, what is your prediction for the FairTax?

 

[Malice]

Oh Great One, what is your prediction for the FairTax?

I want it, but it wont happen

 

[SuBe]

I want it, but it wont happen

:scowl:

 

[Malice]

Well I picked Obama originally...then I though Obama was putting his foot in his mouth...but noone listened...

So at this point, unless Obama shoots someone on national TV, he will be our next Pres....

 

[BlackestNight]

Bump! (Because of Franklin Richards' Thread)

 

[Malice]

Greetings all.
I wanted to see what you thought would occur on Nov 4-5

Don't get into the politics per say, but what might occur.

If Obama wins (which it looks)
I honestly believe there will be some heavy protesting....you know, those dumb people that are panicing because of race...

I think somewhere, there might be some riots that might even rival the 60's riots in the South. Now, I don't support it of course, I am just thinking of what can happen


If McCain wins
I believe there will be protesting, sorry to say, from ethnic groups saying the election was stolen.

 

[rdh007]

Dogs and cats living together. Mass hysteria![/Venkman]