Discussion: The REPUBLICAN Party - - Part 17

[samsnee]

Oh they'll still blame Democrats. I can't believe they will finally overturn Roe V Wade in the next few years.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Oh they'll still blame Democrats. I can't believe they will finally overturn Roe V Wade in the next few years.

One upside is that it will cause a massive retaliation from liberals.

 

[regwec]

I am no more enthusiastic about a Trump presidency than anyone else, but the rent-a-liberals in this thread might be a little bit more contrite after their failure to defeat a grotesque megalomaniacal moron like The Donald. What a humiliating rejection of HRC and the Dems.

 

[Donner]

Oh they'll still blame Democrats. I can't believe they will finally overturn Roe V Wade in the next few years.

Will they? That seems so insane. Crime rates will go up if they do that.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Will they? That seems so insane. Crime rates will go up if they do that.

And more people will vote for them because they claim to be the law and order people.

 

[Anita18]

One upside is that it will cause a massive retaliation from liberals.

This.

Honestly I don't think it would have mattered much who the Dems ran. Trump is the pendulum swinging away from Obama, just as Obama was the pendulum swinging away from GWB. This shows up all the time in history, these extreme swings back and forth. Just looks a little different each time.

The GOP had better come up with a plan to leash Trump and Pence, so the reaction pendulum doesn't swing even more extreme compared to Obama in the next election. President Warren?

 

[Thundercrack85]

This.

Honestly I don't think it would have mattered much who the Dems ran. Trump is the pendulum swinging away from Obama, just as Obama was the pendulum swinging away from GWB. This shows up all the time in history, these extreme swings back and forth. Just looks a little different each time.

The GOP had better come up with a plan to leash Trump and Pence, so the reaction pendulum doesn't swing even more extreme compared to Obama in the next election. President Warren?

I don't know. Hillary was seen negatively by most Americans, and even a massive chunk of Democrats. If you got a Biden in there, or even a Sanders, the results might have been different.

 

[BestGirl]

CNN(?) was showing last night how poorly Hillary did in traditional Democratic strongholds that Obama swept easily four years ago. Anyone who voted for her in the primaries ought to be embarrassed.

 

[Anita18]

I don't know. Hillary was seen negatively by most Americans, and even a massive chunk of Democrats. If you got a Biden in there, or even a Sanders, the results might have been different.

The POC voters weren't going to show up for Bernie. They didn't show up for him during the primaries.

I dunno about Biden. Maybe. Who knows. But seeing that professor's model of using other measures of Congress's makeup to gauge the likelihood of the presidential election definitely has something to it, if all the polls were so wrong.

 

[samsnee]

One upside is that it will cause a massive retaliation from liberals.

Which would be moot at that point. I'm going to bet Trump is going to fill 3 Supreme Court seats by his 4th year, assuming he isn't impeached by then. Maybe 4. The court will be 7-2 tilting toward conservatives for the next 40 years.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Which would be moot at that point. I'm going to bet Trump is going to fill 3 Supreme Court seats by his 4th year, assuming he isn't impeached by then. Maybe 4. The court will be 7-2 tilting toward conservatives for the next 40 years.

Do you know something I don't? Ginsburg is likely to go between now and 2020 (thanks for not resigning in 2012, Ruth), but everyone else seems like they'll hang in there. So two. Three if there's some unexpected death or one of Trump's supporters decide they don't like a ruling.

 

[Schlosser85]

I am no more enthusiastic about a Trump presidency than anyone else, but the rent-a-liberals in this thread might be a little bit more contrite after their failure to defeat a grotesque megalomaniacal moron like The Donald. What a humiliating rejection of HRC and the Dems.

Why should we be contrite? I went out and voted, and so did most of the other people in this thread. Why should we be contrite or be called "rent-a-liberals" (whatever that even means)? We did our part. It's not our fault other people didn't do theirs.

My mood today is a long way from contrite, I assure you.

 

[Schlosser85]

Oh they'll still blame Democrats. I can't believe they will finally overturn Roe V Wade in the next few years.

I highly doubt that's going to happen.

 

[Sithborg]

Oh they'll still blame Democrats. I can't believe they will finally overturn Roe V Wade in the next few years.

I highly question whether that is going to happen. Pretty certain that the current Scotus knocked down some of the abortion restrictions Texas had. The 4 conservative judges are not completely bad at their jobs.

 

[regwec]

Why should we be contrite? I went out and voted, and so did most of the other people in this thread. Why should we be contrite or be called "rent-a-liberals" (whatever that even means)? We did our part. It's not our fault other people didn't do theirs.

My mood today is a long way from contrite, I assure you.

Because your failure to compromise with the electorate or pick a candidate who was capable of so doing led to a humiliating defeat for and rejection of you and your values. Wagging your finger and tut-tutting about the sections of the country that just knocked your candidate back will result in a repetition and entrenchment of this outcome.

This will long be remembered as one of the greatest electoral failures by any political party operating in a mature democracy. That is hardly something to crow about.

 

[samsnee]

Do you know something I don't? Ginsburg is likely to go between now and 2020 (thanks for not resigning in 2012, Ruth), but everyone else seems like they'll hang in there. So two. Three if there's some unexpected death or one of Trump's supporters decide they don't like a ruling.

Ginsburg is 83.
Breyer is 78.
Kennedy is 80.

It is not outside the realm of possibility they could pass away in the next 4 years, considering Scalia was 79 when he passed.

Roberts is only 61.
Thomas is 68.
Alito is 66.

So the conservative wing has an "age" advantage.

 

[The Overlord]

The sad thing is the GOP will think this strategy will work everytime. They have no reason to learn anything.

 

[Paradoxium]

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...marosa-trump-campaign-keeping-list-of-enemies

This is great.

 

[Legendver2]

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...marosa-trump-campaign-keeping-list-of-enemies

This is great.

Fascist much

 

[samsnee]

I'm honestly trying to fathom how they plan on repealing Obamacare and just telling 20 million people "No more insurance for you." We know they have no real plan to replace.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Ginsburg is 83.
Breyer is 78.
Kennedy is 80.

It is not outside the realm of possibility they could pass away in the next 4 years, considering Scalia was 79 when he passed.

Roberts is only 61.
Thomas is 68.
Alito is 66.

So the conservative wing has an "age" advantage.

Okay. You're right. Now I'm even more terrified. That keeps happening this week.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I'm honestly trying to fathom how they plan on repealing Obamacare and just telling 20 million people "No more insurance for you." We know they have no real plan to replace.

I think they'll do it slowly. Trump may have a mandate from the people, but at lot of Republicans in congress need to answer to people who will be effected by whatever policies they enact. Also, changing Obamacare will effect people outside the system, so it's a lot more than 20 million people.

It's a great way to galvanize the youth vote if they do this in a reckless fashion.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Because your failure to compromise with the electorate or pick a candidate who was capable of so doing led to a humiliating defeat for and rejection of you and your values. Wagging your finger and tut-tutting about the sections of the country that just knocked your candidate back will result in a repetition and entrenchment of this outcome.

This will long be remembered as one of the greatest electoral failures by any political party operating in a mature democracy. That is hardly something to crow about.

exactly, i don't get why people are missing this point

 

[samsnee]

Okay. You're right. Now I'm even more terrified. That keeps happening this week.

Sorry to bum you out. But conservatives will tilt the court farther right for the next 40 years.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Sorry to bum you out. But conservatives will tilt the court farther right for the next 40 years.

possibly, but that's not a sure thing