Discussion: The REPUBLICAN Party - - Part 17

[samsnee]

Not a sure thing but a probable thing he will replace at least two.

 

[Mysteryman]

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...marosa-trump-campaign-keeping-list-of-enemies

This is great.

How very Nixonian of him.

 

[The Overlord]

GOP has become one of these far right, anti immigrant parties we see in European countries.

 

[Kelly]

This.

Honestly I don't think it would have mattered much who the Dems ran. Trump is the pendulum swinging away from Obama, just as Obama was the pendulum swinging away from GWB. This shows up all the time in history, these extreme swings back and forth. Just looks a little different each time.

The GOP had better come up with a plan to leash Trump and Pence, so the reaction pendulum doesn't swing even more extreme compared to Obama in the next election. President Warren?

We will see how much in the mid terms.....if we don't see a huge increase in voting by Dems in the mid terms, then we will get another 4 years of Trump unless he implodes....which could always happen.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

I'm curious to see how the GOP handles Trump. They lost control of him at the end and many went against him or called for him to step down. Trump is not a man that forgets about those he feels have wronged him. Obama had his anger surrogate and I think Trump will have a full-time staffer that just has to know what the president can and can't do legally.

 

[The Overlord]

I'm curious to see how the GOP handles Trump. They lost control of him at the end and many went against him or called for him to step down. Trump is not a man that forgets about those he feels have wronged him. Obama had his anger surrogate and I think Trump will have a full-time staffer that just has to know what the president can and can't do legally.

I wonder if the GOP will try to stop some of his more crazy ideas, like defaulting on the US' debt.

The GOP is going to approve Supreme Court picks, ripping up the Paris Accord, etc, but I do wonder if they will try to temper his trade policies or will they be total cowards and give in to his every whim?

 

[Orba]

I wonder if the GOP will try to stop some of his more crazy ideas, like defaulting on the US' debt.

Actually he can't do that one even if he wanted to, under the 14th Amendment the validity of Public Debt cannot be questioned.

 

[samsnee]

Trump also meet with Ryan and McConnell today.


http://nymag.com/daily/intelligence...gets-cozy-with-paul-ryan-on-capitol-hill.html

While Republicans have control of both chambers of Congress, they do not have a veto-proof majority in the Senate. Thus, they will need Democratic votes to pass major legislation, barring the total abolition of the filibuster.

On Wednesday, McConnell suggested that he would not pursue that maneuver.

“I think overreaching after an election, generally speaking, is a mistake,” McConnell told reporters. “I think it’s always a mistake to misread your mandate, and frequently new majorities think it’s going to be forever. Nothing is forever in this country.”

Dare I say Mitch sounds reasonable?

 

[mclay18]

I'm heartened to see right-wing nut Buck Newton, as well as NC incumbent governor Pat McCrory, narrowly lose their election bids. They will likely request a recount given the gaps between are less than 10K votes (or less than 0.5 percent), but recent election history in NC shows that recounts and/or counting provisional ballots barely change the final results.

 

[Sithborg]

Nah, just remembering how the GOP got control of Congress in the first place.

 

[The Overlord]

Actually he can't do that one even if he wanted to, under the 14th Amendment the validity of Public Debt cannot be questioned.

Well thank God for that.

At this point, I hope he is only he is only George W. Bush level bad or somewhat worse, I hope some the apocalyptic stuff he promised (the Wall, trade wars and debt default of course) will not happen.

He will pack the Supreme Court with super right wingers, get rid of Obama Care, get rid of the Paris Accords, etc. But that would have happened under any Republican, we will see how far he goes from that.

I hope the Sun is in the sky in 4 years, that is a meager hope, but that is my hope.

 

[Legendver2]

Gonna be 4 long years

 

[Marvolo]

I am no more enthusiastic about a Trump presidency than anyone else, but the rent-a-liberals in this thread might be a little bit more contrite after their failure to defeat a grotesque megalomaniacal moron like The Donald. What a humiliating rejection of HRC and the Dems.

We voted. Its not our fault half the country's voters is gripped by a mania and prefer to reject sanity and decency. They ignorantly believe the country is on the brink of annihilation. They believe immigrants and minorities are the source of all their personal misery. They believe coal should remain an industry rather than clean energy. They believe menial manufacturing jobs should return to america. They think climate change and evolution are fake and liberal or heathen lies. They believe liberals are destroying the country. They believe unemployment is 30% and crime is the highest its ever been. They ***** about the government then vote for the same awful congress. And othercrazy things.

That is what liberals and other americans are having to push back against. That astounding crippling willful ignorance. That is what allowed Trump to have a shot at the white house. Even with poor voter turnout Hillary should have won. Trump should have been defeated in a landslide regardless of poor voter turnout. He shouldnt have had the support of half the country's voters. Hillary being the candidate is not a good or valid reason to vote for Trump. Hillary being the candidate is not a good or valid reason to vote third party and help elect Trump. Hillary being the candidate is not a good or valid reason for not voting.

I will not be contrite. Not when I and other americans are up against so much willful ignorance, disinformation and delusion. Not when I and other voters gritted our teeth and voted for the only sane choice. Hillary was not the candidate we wanted but she is the candidate we had. The only sane choice. I and other voters did our part on election day. I cant be contrite for what has happened.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

Hillary won the popular vote. It wasnt a landslide but how exactly did we fail? The electoral college put trump in the whitehouse, not me. I voted and it didnt ultimately matter and now its time to suck it up and hope things dont go to **** and do it all over again in 2020.

 

[samsnee]

This gives me some hope.


http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...s-hope-liberals-progressives-democrats-214444

5. Winning In 2020 Is More Important Than Winning In 2016

No one wishes for the global economy to crumble or for the world to be embroiled in deadly international crises. But it’s not that hard to imagine a Trump presidency going off the rails without any Democratic assistance. And that would cause enormous political consequences.

If Trump manages to drag down the entire Republican Party with him over the next four years, Democrats might be able to snag the biggest political prize of all in the 2020 elections: majority control of state legislative chambers — just in time for the congressional redistricting process that will follow the 2020 Census.

That would give Democrats the ability to redraw many of the congressional district lines, undo Republican gerrymandering efforts that have delivered the GOP a House majority even while Democratic House candidates nationally earn more votes. If a Trump-fueled GOP collapse leads to full control of the federal executive and legislative branches, a lasting Democratic realignment may still be upon us.

 

[SV Fan]

Hillary won the popular vote. It wasnt a landslide but how exactly did we fail? The electoral college put trump in the whitehouse, not me. I voted and it didnt ultimately matter and now its time to suck it up and hope things dont go to **** and do it all over again in 2020.

While you at it get out and vote in 2018

 

[Marvolo]

While you at it get out and vote in 2018

^This.

 

[The Overlord]

Now that the GOP controls the White House, Congress and the Senate, can we assume they are finally going to reduce the debt and reduce the size of government, like they always say they will do if they get the chance? Or will they not do that and will people finally acknowledge that those claims are BS?

 

[Thundercrack85]

Now that the GOP controls the White House, Congress and the Senate, can be assume they are finally going to reduce the debt and reduce the size of government, like they always say they will do if they get the chance? Or will they not do that and will people finally acknowledge that those claims are BS?

You really expect people who vote for Donald Trump to be rational?

 

[regwec]

I can't believe that half of America is really irrational. Reckless, perhaps.

It is a pity that CraigBond (?) was banned; he would be entertaining at the moment.

 

[DeadPresident]

Hillary won the popular vote. It wasnt a landslide but how exactly did we fail? The electoral college put trump in the whitehouse, not me. I voted and it didnt ultimately matter and now its time to suck it up and hope things dont go to **** and do it all over again in 2020.

That's true but as all the third party votes indicate people are more interested in fighting little trivial ideological battles than winning a political war. What happens if the momentum of third party idiots steals more votes from democrats since the third parties tend to appeal more to the left?

Democrats and the left in general need to develop a bit of pragmatism going forward.

 

[Hotwire]

I can't believe that half of America is really irrational. Reckless, perhaps.

This is the country that made Johnny Knoxville famous for getting hit in the nuts. I can't say I'm that surprised.

 

[2kt09]

That's true but as all the third party votes indicate people are more interested in fighting little trivial ideological battles than winning a political war. What happens if the momentum of third party idiots steals more votes from democrats

That's practically what happened as those 5~6 million votes didn't go towards either of the more popular candidates.

since the third parties tend to appeal more to the left?

Maybe in your country, but there's still a conservative majority even at the 3rd party scale. Libertarian was supposed to be the bridge between the two, but even that still has more right "converts" and Republican subtitles. Since 2012 is when 3rd parties really blew up and will likely continue to if people feel they're not being properly represented.

 

[Alex Murphy]

I can't believe that half of America is really irrational. Reckless, perhaps.

It is a pity that CraigBond (?) was banned; he would be entertaining at the moment.

craigdbfan?

 

[Marvolo]

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