Discussion: The REPUBLICAN Party X

[Thundercrack85]

Rick Santorum is now saying the Netherlands puts thousands of old people to death against their will every year. And then he went on to tell a story about how old Dutch people wear "don't euthanize me bracelets". I don't think he understands what voluntary euthanasia is. Or that the Netherlands has better healthcare than the US.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn-eejMcmuA

The Dutch are apparently pissed.

 

[enterthemadness]

Too much Alex Jones bro

Don't watch or listen to him, hardly ever go to his site. You can't deny the chances of a WW3 later on. The planet is already overpopulated, and we as a species hate each other...I'm really not looking forward to the future.

Then again natural disasters could always happen first, so blaaaaaaah.

 

[Superman]

I kinda agree with Paradoxium when he says most Americans are more worried about gas prices and putting food on the table than about contraceptives, But the problem is that Santorum cares more about his contraceptives and religious beliefs than the economic issues that most Americans are worried about right now. That's what's going to scare most Americans away from him. It's all he talks about. He seems to think that being a FAR RIGHT "Social Conservative" will win the election for him when it's really the least issue most Conservatives care about right now. They want a "Fiscal Conservative" not a "Social Conservative" right now and if Santorum wins the nom the Right know they will lose.

 

[DBryan]

WW3 won't happen if we can just defeat the current status quo that controls our governments and our money, who are insistent on war with Iran.

I really feel that just over this big hurdle, is a bright, humanist future in which we actually work together towards common goals as a human race rather than as rivaling nations.

 

[Marx]

I kinda agree with Paradoxium when he says most Americans are more worried about gas prices and putting food on the table than about contraceptives, But the problem is that Santorum cares more about his contraceptives and religious beliefs than the economic issues that most Americans are worried about right now. That's what's going to scare most Americans away from him. It's all he talks about. He seems to think that being a FAR RIGHT "Social Conservative" will win the election for him when it's really the least issue most Conservatives care about right now. They want a "Fiscal Conservative" not a "Social Conservative" right now and if Santorum wins the nom the Right know they will lose.

Exactly.

 

[wiegeabo]

I kinda agree with Paradoxium when he says most Americans are more worried about gas prices and putting food on the table than about contraceptives, But the problem is that Santorum cares more about his contraceptives and religious beliefs than the economic issues that most Americans are worried about right now. That's what's going to scare most Americans away from him. It's all he talks about. He seems to think that being a FAR RIGHT "Social Conservative" will win the election for him when it's really the least issue most Conservatives care about right now. They want a "Fiscal Conservative" not a "Social Conservative" right now and if Santorum wins the nom the Right know they will lose.

Want to start putting food on the table, start cutting all these ethanol subsidies and programs that have made corn prices skyrocket. Which makes all food prices skyrocket since corn is in just about everything.

Fortunately, it's starting to happen. The government is finally starting to listen to the reports saying that ethanol is inefficient and not that environmentally friendly, and that it's effect on food prices can't be ignored anymore.


Does anyone else find it interesting how the Federal Government most heavily (albeit somewhat indirectly) subsidizes the foods we're supposed to eat the least of?

 

[Paradoxium]

Want to start putting food on the table, start cutting all these ethanol subsidies and programs that have made corn prices skyrocket. Which makes all food prices skyrocket since corn is in just about everything.

Fortunately, it's starting to happen. The government is finally starting to listen to the reports saying that ethanol is inefficient and not that environmentally friendly, and that it's effect on food prices can't be ignored anymore.


Does anyone else find it interesting how the Federal Government most heavily (albeit somewhat indirectly) subsidizes the foods we're supposed to eat the least of?

Yea when even Al Gore is against it Ethanol, you know **** is going down. The left/progressives should pay attention to this. Yes THAT Al Gore. Don't listen to me, if you trust Gore, listen to him. Here is an article on it, from HuffPo if it isn't anymore convincing. He is talking about first generation ethanol, but it is a start.

While I hate corn, my bigger chief concern is wasting fertile farmlands for Ethanol. When we could be growing better produce or keeping an ample food supply. Food is the real life blood for everyone.

 

[Paradoxium]

WW3 won't happen if we can just defeat the current status quo that controls our governments and our money, who are insistent on war with Iran.

I really feel that just over this big hurdle, is a bright, humanist future in which we actually work together towards common goals as a human race rather than as rivaling nations.

Don't worry troops making preparations.

Soldiers don fake belly, breasts to better understand pregnant troops' exercise concerns


No it's not from the Onion. t:

 

[hippie_hunter]

Santorum is a cretin who is obsessed with my and other women's vaginas.

Well that just created an image that I can't un-see

 

[hippie_hunter]

Santorum aint gonna win ****. If Santorum is the nominee, then Obama will win the Presidency with ease, barring something unforseen like another Lehman's Brothers collapse, a scandal with a dead girl or live boy or if he announced on live television that yes he was born in Kenya, was a secret Muslim and was introducing Sharia law.

I would say that even if all of those happened, Santorum still wouldn't win.

 

[Paradoxium]

What if Santorum wins and picks Michelle Bachmann for VP and Greece goes to hell.

HIGH OCTANE NIGHTMARE FUEL!!!!!!

 

[enterthemadness]

What if Santorum wins and picks Michelle Bachmann for VP and Greece goes to hell.

HIGH OCTANE NIGHTMARE FUEL!!!!!!

Let me ask this....simple glorious fun question.

Obama, Romney, Johnson. Who do you vote for and why BASED--on their platform and is best suited to lead this country from it's current state?

I choose...YOU, PAX, GO!

 

[DACrowe]

I don't know what to say to these articles.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/19/w...cial-issues-and-why-this-helps-rick-santorum/
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...7227694132901090.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

Self rationalization?

Both are self-rationalizations of:

a) Santorum could win

and

b) Even though they, the conservative elite, think social issues are a bunch of distracting ********, these pointless wedge issues is the how they think they win elections.

The first is desperate and the latter is partially true. In 1980 Reagan partially won by railing against abortion, "welfare queens," and black people ("I remember when America didn't know it had a race problem!"). In 2004 Bush partially won reelection by pledging to make gay people second class citizens in the US Constitution. In 2010, many Tea Partiers partially won their elections because they pledged to make building "victory mosques" near Ground Zero illegal.

It's all BS, but the first two examples had electable candidates and the third only worked in districts that were fairly red already. Fortunately for us, Santorum is not electable in a national election because, as the WSJ bemoans, the "liberals won the sexual revolution" from the 1960s (why do I feel like half of these people are pissed they didn't get enough in high school/college/in their marriages? ).

I like how the book they both cite compares Obama to Robespierre--the guy who executed tens of thousands of people.

Point is, it won't work in 2012 because the left doesn't "win," the social issues. People just become more mature with each generation. That's why gays in the military was a toxic issue in 1993 and is passé in 2012. It's why their thinking running on a war against condoms and the pill--a battle settled 50 years ago--is not going to work. But hey, if they can convince themselves it will, go for it. I won't mind. Not one bit.

 

[SV Fan]

Point is, it won't work in 2012 because the left doesn't "win," the social issues. People just become more mature with each generation.

I am not sure "mature" is the correct word, I would probably just say people are getting more open minded to others lifestyles. I do agree though that is peoples views get more "liberal" each passing generation that every 4 years you get 4 years worth of people with a more "liberal" view of the world and social issues will become less of an issue to divide the vote.

In general I think whenever you get large groups of people communicating, more chance that they will accept somebody's right to live their own life(which is why urban areas tend to vote Democrat at a higher rate then rural ones, no matter what state you live in). I do think the introduction of the Internet for almost 20 years adds to a more global community that ideas get shared among bigger groups of people.

Going by this map from 2004(which is probably a better race to use to show social values being an issue), I can almost guarentee you that the blue parts have a more dense population the the red parts.

I should add looking at this map that blue snake like thing going through Alabama seems weird but that seems like a Democrat belt for whatever reason.

 

[enterthemadness]

Dare I say it...dare I say it...I would actually ask Santorum for his autograph. Not a fan of him...but I...ya know, he is strong about his ideas...and the whole baby thing years ago...been thinking about it. If a candidate was "stupid" enough to use that as an attack ad...it's gonna back fire. Paul or Johnson could use it as attack ad or in debate...I'd probably vote for Santorum. It be a epic "d-bag" move to do. Yes, even the President...would get boos if he did that.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

You would ask Santorum for his autograph? He's not a rockstar, he's a goofy, fringe candidate with extreme social views.

And you would vote Santorum, not because you agree with his issues, but over something petty and stupid... like if someone else made an unfair attack ad about him? That is the worst logic ever.

I fear for this electorate.

 

[Superman]

I am not sure "mature" is the correct word, I would probably just say people are getting more open minded to others lifestyles. I do agree though that is peoples views get more "liberal" each passing generation that every 4 years you get 4 years worth of people with a more "liberal" view of the world and social issues will become less of an issue to divide the vote.

In general I think whenever you get large groups of people communicating, more chance that they will accept somebody's right to live their own life(which is why urban areas tend to vote Democrat at a higher rate then rural ones, no matter what state you live in). I do think the introduction of the Internet for almost 20 years adds to a more global community that ideas get shared among bigger groups of people.

Going by this map from 2004(which is probably a better race to use to show social values being an issue), I can almost guarentee you that the blue parts have a more dense population the the red parts.

I should add looking at this map that blue snake like thing going through Alabama seems weird but that seems like a Democrat belt for whatever reason.

By that map it looks like my old home town of Dayton Ohio went Dem, Cool, I knew there was a reason I wanted to move back there.

 

[Marx]

What if Santorum wins and picks Michelle Bachmann for VP and Greece goes to hell.

HIGH OCTANE NIGHTMARE FUEL!!!!!!

...if that happens, the Mayans must've been right about the end of the world.

 

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[I SEE SPIDEY]

I have no idea why people think that Gingrich is an intelligent man? All he does is whine about the non existent liberal media and says inflammatory and untrue things.

I suppose Gingrich could shout Obama down with his half facts and over the top rhetoric. I don't know about destroy though. Gingrich is a non factor anyhow because he has no chance at the nom. I still think that Romney is getting it and that Obsessive Vagina Man is just another flavor of the month.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2...ntorum-and-gingrich-are-definitely-christian/

Franklin Graham is an idiot. First of all Muslims do not believe that just because someone has a Muslim parent that they are Muslim. That is just flat out un-****ing-true.

Also, thrice married cheater who left his sick wives Newt is definitely a Christian but Obama isn't??? I'm guessing Democrats can't be Christians and don't get me started on those black Democrats...

The most important thing is that even if he weren't a Christian that wouldn't matter because of the ****ing Constitution which he and Santorum seem to only think applies to Christians.

 

[Marx]

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2...ntorum-and-gingrich-are-definitely-christian/

Franklin Graham is an idiot. First of all Muslims do not believe that just because someone has a Muslim parent that they are Muslim. That is just flat out un-****ing-true.

Also, thrice married cheater who left his sick wives Newt is definitely a Christian but Obama isn't??? I'm guessing Democrats can't be Christians and don't get me started on those black Democrats...

The most important thing is that even if he weren't a Christian that wouldn't matter because of the ****ing Constitution which he and Santorum seem to only think applies to Christians.

There are not enough facepalms in the world for Franklin Graham's comments. It's just another example of continuing to push a "he's not one of us" mentality. It's dangerous and irresponsible.

...even if President Obama was a muslim, it shouldn't matter when our country is supposed to be tolerant and welcoming to all religions.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

There are not enough facepalms in the world for Franklin Graham's comments. It's just another example of continuing to push a "he's not one of us" mentality. It's dangerous and irresponsible.

...even if President Obama was a muslim, it shouldn't matter when our country is supposed to be tolerant and welcoming to all religions.

But Marx we are a Christian nation! Didn't you read the super secret document that says that all Presidents must be Christian?

I'm a Muslim who voted for a Christian in 2004 and another Christian in 2008, I don't vote for candidates based on their religious beliefs. I do not care if my Mayor, Governor or President believes in god at all as a matter of fact. They aren't running for pope, imam, rabbi or atheist they are running for President of a country that is supposed to respect all different view points and not promote one over the other.

And to be fair I think that it is disgusting that he is bringing up Romney's faith in a negative light. He's all around disgusting.

 

[Marx]

I must've missed the "christian nation" memo...

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I must've missed the "christian nation" memo...

I just find it distasteful when anybody says that "this person isn't apart of my religion." You can't tell people what they believe in and what they are apart of. Nobody knows what in anyone's heart, for all I know Franklin Graham is really an atheist or wiccan. I hate when people question other people's faith.

Santorum and his people are doing the same thing that Graham is doing and that's another reason why I have a strong dislike for him.