Discussion: The Second Amendment IV

[Optimus_Prime_]

It's pretty dumb that people want to make a controversy out of a Presidental photo-op.

FDR used to try to fool people into thinking he could actually stand: that horrible, horrible man.

Where's the ire about Bush dropping his Connecticut accent all of the sudden for a Texan accent?

 

[Kelly]

They already did. You can no longer carry them on board airplanes or in court houses anymore.

Or in schools, there are several places....they may not call it a "box cutter" but the length of the blade keeps it out of any schools, except in areas where the maintenance works, and several other government places.

 

[dnno1]

Just for laughs, here are some images of presidents holding rifles. I picked some choice ones to post on this thread:

Theodore Roosevelt
(actually shot something)

For that matter, he actually shot some big game.

Calvin Coolidge

This is the actually photo of Coolidge shooting clay pigeons. The other photo was mirrored to show him in the same position as Obama.

Franklyn D. Roosevelt

Here is one of FDR actually standing while firing a rifle.

Harry Truman

If you want to criticize a president for the improper way to hold a rifle, do that to this one above.

Dwight D. Eisenhour

Who doesn't like Ike? He shot with Winston Churchill.

Jimmy Carter

I guess he didn't have to go through a background check sine he already did to be president.

Bill Clinton

He banned these.

George W. Bush

Nobody criticized him for this pose.

 

[Kable24]

Harry Truman

If you want to criticize a president for the improper way to hold a rifle, do that to this one above.

George W. Bush

Nobody criticized him for this pose.

1. The first picture is a proper way to examine a firearm. The Marine opened the bolt and examined if the rifle was empty before handing to a superior officer. Truman is examining if the rifle is clean all the way down. You can easily see that it is empty. It's an M1 Garand and there isn't a clip or any rounds in it.

2. Although the pose of Bush is funny, he's still demonstrating proper technique with keeping the shotgun pointed down and away from others. It's hard to tell if he has his finger on the trigger though. It looks like it's partially on the trigger. Plus what is to make fun of. He was and is a sportsman, unlike Obama pretending to be.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

1. The first picture is a proper way to examine a firearm. The Marine opened the bolt and examined if the rifle was empty before handing to a superior officer. Truman is examining if the rifle is clean all the way down. You can easily see that it is empty. It's an M1 Garand and there isn't a clip or any rounds in it.

2. Although the pose of Bush is funny, he's still demonstrating proper technique with keeping the shotgun pointed down and away from others. It's hard to tell if he has his finger on the trigger though. It looks like it's partially on the trigger. Plus what is to make fun of. He was and is a sportsman, unlike Obama pretending to be.

George Bush is a spoiled rich kid from Connecticut who had a New England accent until he decided he was from Texas.

Wanna talk about a dude who manufactured a fake personality, that's your man...

...Although I suppose he's better than Nixon who hid the fact that he was a raging alcoholic. While President he would get drunk at night and yell obscenities at the Presidents' portraits, mostly Kennedy's.

 

[Kable24]

George Bush is a spoiled rich kid from Connecticut who had a New England accent until he decided he was from Texas.

Wanna talk about a dude who manufactured a fake personality, that's your man...

...Although I suppose he's better than Nixon who hid the fact that he was a raging alcoholic. While President he would get drunk at night and yell obscenities at the Presidents' portraits, mostly Kennedy's.

So rich people from CT can't be sportsman and enjoy hunting? I'm not a huge fan of Bush and will gladly admit his 2nd term was a horrible choice for America.

 

[Kable24]

One of the funnier ones, I have seen.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

So rich people from CT can't be sportsman and enjoy hunting? I'm not a huge fan of Bush and will gladly admit his 2nd term was a horrible choice for America.

Bush's exploits at the ranch, so to speak, were pretty wildly overblown. He may have enjoyed those things but from my research he wasn't very good at anything that didn't involve kegs. Halfway decent at a few sports.

Again, it just seems odd the criticism of Obama when Bush was the king of manufacturing a photo op.

His old man, on the other hand, was good at just about everything he did.

 

[SV Fan]

The pic of Obama reminds me of

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This one is from The Colbert Report, it shows Obama taking a picture of himself skeeting at the place the fake moon landing was filmed

 

[Kable24]

Bush's exploits at the ranch, so to speak, were pretty wildly overblown. He may have enjoyed those things but from my research he wasn't very good at anything that didn't involve kegs. Halfway decent at a few sports.

Again, it just seems odd the criticism of Obama when Bush was the king of manufacturing a photo op.

His old man, on the other hand, was good at just about everything he did.

This is going to go off topic, but what about the reverse of that. After Katrina Bush was called all kinds of names and told he hated black people and wanted them to suffer.
After Sandy hit New York and New Jersey and some three months later people still are without power and no body is crying fowl on Obama saying he hates guidos.
If Bush was ordering drone strikes on American citizens like this admin does, he would be crucified. yet, Obama gets a pass. He gets a pass letting 4 Americans die in Benghazi.
People can say what they want about W, but in my eye Obama has done a lot worse and gets away with a lot of BS, but because the media/hollywood love him, they don't question anything he does.
Right or Left, I don't trust a politician as far as I can throw them. I refuse to depend on the government. Especially, when it comes to my well being and my security. That's why I carry a gun. That's why I need an AR15, because I'll be damned if my life is going to be put in danger by anyone or anything. I'm not afraid to die. I'm not afraid I'll be mugged, but I'll be damned if I'm going to give in to these types of people who are out to hurt others. I don't care if anyone on here thinks I'm crazy, I'm a gun nut or a total wackidoo. I'm not a prepper either. I'm just a simple guy, busting my ass everyday to make a living and live in peace. Since, others can't respect that, I need to do what I have to do to get by.
If people don't want guns near them, that is fine. I can respect that. I just want people to respect my choices as I can respect theirs. End of my rant!

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

This is going to go off topic, but what about the reverse of that. After Katrina Bush was called all kinds of names and told he hated black people and wanted them to suffer.
After Sandy hit New York and New Jersey and some three months later people still are without power and no body is crying fowl on Obama saying he hates guidos.

A lot of people in the know felt Bush got a lot of flak for Katrina that was undeserved. Most of his failings were more properly the result of the state officials in LA, not him.

If Bush was ordering drone strikes on American citizens like this admin does, he would be crucified. yet, Obama gets a pass. He gets a pass letting 4 Americans die in Benghazi.

Benghazi was overblown, sorry. So is the drone strikes. War isn't supposed to be pretty and that's the risk you take being in those areas. Really the only metric you're judged on in war is whether you win or lose. Bush was definitely not good at that whereas Obama has been, perhaps to some, bone chillingly effective.

 

[dnno1]

The pic of Obama reminds me of

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This one is from The Colbert Report, it shows Obama taking a picture of himself skeeting at the place the fake moon landing was filmed

Talk about fake pictures...

 

[dnno1]

1. The first picture is a proper way to examine a firearm. The Marine opened the bolt and examined if the rifle was empty before handing to a superior officer. Truman is examining if the rifle is clean all the way down. You can easily see that it is empty. It's an M1 Garand and there isn't a clip or any rounds in it.

2. Although the pose of Bush is funny, he's still demonstrating proper technique with keeping the shotgun pointed down and away from others. It's hard to tell if he has his finger on the trigger though. It looks like it's partially on the trigger. Plus what is to make fun of. He was and is a sportsman, unlike Obama pretending to be.

1. The NRA's Guide to Firearm Safety says to always point a gun in a safe direction. Furthermore most firearms safety tips always instruct you to treat every gun as if it were loaded even if you know is is unloaded (see the image below).

This picture goes against common sense and what most firearms safety experts are saying we should do, which makes it ironic.

George W. Bush
(supposedly dove hunting)

2. It's not so much where Bush is pointing the gun, it the fact that he is ducking -- something we now know he is accustomed to.

George Bush Ducking a Shoe

Maybe he was practicing for this or it could have been Dick Cheney accidentally discharging his shotgun (we can't see what's on the other side of the picture).

 

[Kable24]

1. The NRA's Guide to Firearm Safety says to always point a gun in a safe direction. Furthermore most firearms safety tips always instruct you to treat every gun as if it were loaded even if you know is is unloaded (see the image below).

This picture goes against common sense and what most firearms safety experts are saying we should do, which makes it ironic.

Yeah, because the 4 Marines in the picture don't know anything about gun safety.

I stand by my statement, but by all means educate me on your gun experience.

 

[Hotwire]

Yeah, because the 4 Marines in the picture don't know anything about gun safety.

I stand by my statement, but by all means educate me on your gun experience.

I'm with you here. Dnno, it's a weapons inspection, and it's still done today. The soldier clears the rifle, locks the bolt back so the rifle can't fire, the presents it to his superior. The superior then confirms the weapon is clear and inspects it to ensure the soldier has properly cleaned it. Once inspected, he gives it back. The soldier then AGAIN confirms the weapon is clear, releases the bolt, and shoulders it.

Do a YouTube search for "military weapons inspection".

FYI, Dnno, I know this because I've done it numerous times. I was a soldier in the US Army.

 

[dnno1]

Yeah, because the 4 Marines in the picture don't know anything about gun safety.

I stand by my statement, but by all means educate me on your gun experience.

Range Chief Dies in Gun Accident
http://articles.latimes.com/1998/jan/29/local/me-13221

Marine Returned from Iraq Dies in Gun Accident
http://news.google.com/newspapers?n..._nBhAAAAIBAJ&sjid=14QEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5938,439118

Casualties: US Navy and Marine Corps Personnel Killed and Injured in Selected Accidents and Other Incidents Not Directly the Result of Enemy Action
http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/NHC/accidents.htm

Accidents can happen -- even to marines. I think it would be best to heed the the safety advice of the experts. You can stand by your statement, but I certainly and following it.

 

[Kable24]

I'm with you here. Dnno, it's a weapons inspection, and it's still done today. The soldier clears the rifle, locks the bolt back so the rifle can't fire, the presents it to his superior. The superior then confirms the weapon is clear and inspects it to ensure the soldier has properly cleaned it. Once inspected, he gives it back. The soldier then AGAIN confirms the weapon is clear, releases the bolt, and shoulders it.

Do a YouTube search for "military weapons inspection".

Thank you. I understand the adage treat it like it is always loaded. I always treat mine like they are. Whenever someone comes over and asks to see them, I always remove the mag, rack it and check the chamber even though I never keep one in the chamber. When they give it back, I double check, put the mag back in, make sure the safety is still on and lock it back up.

 

[Kable24]

Range Chief Dies in Gun Accident
http://articles.latimes.com/1998/jan/29/local/me-13221

Marine Returned from Iraq Dies in Gun Accident
http://news.google.com/newspapers?n..._nBhAAAAIBAJ&sjid=14QEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5938,439118

Casualties: US Navy and Marine Corps Personnel Killed and Injured in Selected Accidents and Other Incidents Not Directly the Result of Enemy Action
http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/NHC/accidents.htm

Accidents can happen -- even to marines. I think it would be best to heed the the safety advice of the experts. You can stand by your statement, but I certainly and following it.

So were the four Marines pictured in that photo the ones in your little stories?
You're right accidents can happen when people aren't being safe. People get careless or forgetful. That's not to say that what the President did in that photo is wrong. Even I can see the M1 is no loaded. Like Hotwire said search military firearm inspections. It should be 4 actions to check the rifle before giving it to the senior officer for inspection.

 

[Hotwire]

 

[dnno1]

I'm with you here. Dnno, it's a weapons inspection, and it's still done today. The soldier clears the rifle, locks the bolt back so the rifle can't fire, the presents it to his superior. The superior then confirms the weapon is clear and inspects it to ensure the soldier has properly cleaned it. Once inspected, he gives it back. The soldier then AGAIN confirms the weapon is clear, releases the bolt, and shoulders it.

Do a YouTube search for "military weapons inspection".

FYI, Dnno, I know this because I've done it numerous times. I was a soldier in the US Army.

That's not the point. It's that it's is ironic that he would be looking down the barrel of a rifle when they teach civilians not to do that. This is why the AP made note of that.

 

[dnno1]

So were the four Marines pictured in that photo the ones in your little stories?
You're right accidents can happen when people aren't being safe. People get careless or forgetful. That's not to say that what the President did in that photo is wrong. Even I can see the M1 is no loaded. Like Hotwire said search military firearm inspections. It should be 4 actions to check the rifle before giving it to the senior officer for inspection.

You would think that all marines would know about gun safety, but like I said before, accidents do happen and it it is better to err on the side of caution as they say. Considering the irony of the photo, I would not suggest anyone do that at home and i am sure the NRA or any other firearms safety authority would advise the same.

 

[Kable24]

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1940's Marines at Parris Island doing an inspection.

 

[Hotwire]

That's not the point. It's that it's is ironic that he would be looking down the barrel of a rifle when they teach civilians not to do that. This is why the AP made note of that.

Tell me another way to visually inspect the barrel of a gun. Also, there NRA is not in part of the US military so, there's no hypocritical double standard here.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

To me this is all fairly silly. If the President wants to do a photo-op with a gun he can do a photo-op with a gun; he's the f***ing President.

 

[Kable24]

You would think that all marines would know about gun safety, but like I said before, accidents do happen and it it is better to err on the side of caution as they say. Considering the irony of the photo, I would not suggest anyone do that at home and i am sure the NRA or any other firearms safety authority would advise the same.

Fact is, I do it after cleaning my rifles. The last thing you want is foreign debris in the barrel. I clean my rifles with a bore snake and wire brushes. If something pops off and I don't realize it and I take my rifle out without inspecting it and try and fire a round with something lodged in the barrel, I could kill myself or maybe someone else.
Ask any gunsmith how they check a barrel for debris and it will be the same.