Discussion: The Second Amendment

[Addendum]

Looks...quite good...actually.

I know. Shocking.

Oh well. I lost interest in the Terminator franchise years ago

 

[Spidey-Bat]

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/bi...t=Ajk2UsNqcaDiOFFGHK9GBwoRvLYF?urn=mlb,154763

 

[The Major]

Slavery still exists? As a national contant? Well, damn I better head down to the corner and pick myself up one?


Who knew?

It does exist. It's just underground. You should watch the MSNBC specials about sex slavery. It's horrifying to see what's occurring behind closed doors in America.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

gun buying panic?

Interesting video, I think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBIpfAl8cpI

 

[Paradyme]

I'm not going to comment on that video because its going to begin a firestorm.

I would, however, like to state that if there is anybody on this board stockpiling ammo would you please stop hogging it so that I can purchase some. I'm running a tad low. Can't even go to the range because of the limited supply.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Go ahead and comment, that's what we're here for, man. It's the political forum...firestorms are a constant.

I do think there is something to the arugument of scaring people, and them feeling the need and the time limit to stock pile on ammo.

I wonder how long Obama's administation would have to go without a gun ban for the fear to go away.

 

[Paradyme]

There is clearly plenty of legislation thats just sitting there waiting for the 'fear' to go away and for things to quiet down before it can get passed. Do I think they want to ban guns? No, what I believe is going to happen is that they are going to tax ammunition and the ownership of guns so much that no one will be able to afford it.

I'm speaking for gun owners here not just myself but Obama and Holder can come out and say as many times as they want that they aren't going to ban guns or ammo but no gun owner is going to blindly go "Oh, okay, a politician is telling me he isn't going to ban something. He must be telling the truth." Clearly, Holder and Obama's records point the other way and if anyone dismisses a record as a legitimate argument is kidding themselves.

The PA guy is a nut job. He is crazy. He snapped over something ridiculous. It should be obvious he had some sort of chemical imbalance. Sanchez instead of believing this, blames that the guy feared Obama would take his guns away and blames Beck for causing 'panic' which if you listen to his show and have a rational head on your shoulders realize Glenn isn't talking about marching to Washington with guns in hands. He says the opposite. Anyways, back on track.

I think there is too big of a backing now that any type of legislation infringing on the Second Amendment will be fought with all its power. The current and ex-SWAT and current and ex-police officers that taught my CCW class are on the citizens side and so is the law so I don't really have a worry about it.

To end my rant, in all seriousness, please stop buying so much ammo! Other people need some so they can actually fire their weapons and ranges and such. Enjoying their hobby.

 

[SuBe]

I don't know if this has been posted yet, but Government wants to Register all Gun Owners.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/13/39we-want-them-registered39/

 

[Addendum]

Let me guess, some people are going to complain about that, even though the government can already access information about you: criminal record (if any), driver's license, etc.

 

[SuBe]

But the fact that you have to get Registered? What's the point? Just like every other valid arguement about Gun Control... The Non-Criminals will do this, but Criminals won't.

 

[Addendum]

You're missing one thing. Even if you own a gun or not, YOU'RE ALREADY REGISTERED. Got a driver's license? You're in a database. Got a criminal record? You're already in a database. Got a Social Security card? You're already in a database. Credit history? Military Service? Went to school?

 

[SuBe]

Not the Fact that you have a Gun. Would you want to be a possible target because your name is NOT on that list?

How easy would it be, "Mr. Addendum doesn't have any guns on Government Record, but his Neighbor does. Which house should we break into?"

 

[Addendum]

I forget that every robber goes around with a laptop and a wireless card. Wait, that just happens in a hypothetical

 

[SuBe]

You don't think they would try?

Huh...

 

[Addendum]

oh you got me there smart guy, now I better go get me an armory

 

[SuBe]

There is no point in debating, arguing, or trying to educate you Addy. I'm just not going to try.

 

[Addendum]

Finally

 

[Marx]

LOOPHOLES LET GUN SMUGGLING TO MEXICO FLOURISH
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/15/us/15guns.html?_r=2&partner=rss&emc=rss

John Phillip Hernandez, a 24-year-old unemployed machinist who lived with his parents, walked into a giant sporting goods store here in July 2006, and plunked $2,600 in cash on a glass display counter. A few minutes later, Mr. Hernandez walked out with three military-style rifles.

One of those rifles was recovered seven months later in Acapulco, Mexico, where it had been used by drug cartel gunmen to attack the offices of the Guerrero State attorney general, court documents say. Four police officers and three secretaries were killed.

Although Mr. Hernandez was arrested last year as part of a gun-smuggling ring, most of the 22 others in the ring are still at large. Before their operation was discovered, the smugglers had transported what court documents described as at least 339 high-powered weapons to Mexico over a year and a half, federal agents said.

“There is no telling how long that group was operating before we caught on to them,” said J. Dewey Webb, the agent in charge of the Houston division of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives.

Noting there are about 1,500 licensed gun dealers in the Houston area, Mr. Webb added, “You can come to Houston and go to a different gun store every day for several months and never alert any one.”

The case highlights a major obstacle facing the United States as it tries to meet a demand from Mexico to curb the flow of arms from the states to drug cartels. The federal system for tracking gun sales, crafted over the years to avoid infringements on Second Amendment rights, makes it difficult to spot suspicious trends quickly and to identify people buying for smugglers, law enforcement officials say.

As a result, in some states along the Southwest border where firearms are lightly regulated, gun smugglers can evade detection for months or years. In Texas, New Mexico and Arizona, dealers can sell an unlimited number of rifles to anyone with a driver’s license and a clean criminal record without reporting the sales to the government.

At gun shows in these states, there is even less regulation. Private sellers, unlike licensed dealers, are not obligated to record the buyer’s name, much less report the sale to the A.T.F.
Mexican officials have repeatedly asked the United States to clamp down on the flow of weapons and are likely to bring it up again with President Obama when he visits Mexico on Thursday.

Sending straw buyers into American stores, cartels have stocked up on semiautomatic AK-47 and AR-15 rifles, converting some to machine guns, investigators in both countries say. They have also bought .50 caliber rifles capable of stopping a car and Belgian pistols able to fire rifle rounds that will penetrate body armor.

Federal agents say about 90 percent of the 12,000 pistols and rifles the Mexican authorities recovered from drug dealers last year and asked to be traced came from dealers in the United States, most of them in Texas and Arizona.

 

[Paradyme]

I've read the opposite of that in another article that I believe I posted a few pages ago.

Not saying I believe this story but if it is true, don't you think that maybe if we enforced our borders and did a little better job of tracking smuggling, this wouldn't be a problem?

Or maybe instead of making it harder on the person to get a gun make it harder on the retailers who sold the firearms to these people. There needs to be penalties but only if there is a law in place that would require retailers to issue background checks. Which if I'm not mistaken, the last time I've bought a rifle they've called in a background check on me.

I just don't think making it harder on the person, or more expensive is really going to help the situation.

 

[BlackLantern]

Slavery still exists?

yes...its called marriage

 

[Spidey-Bat]

yes...its called marriage

 

[The Major]

I just don't think making it harder on the person, or more expensive is really going to help the situation.

How would that hurt it?

 

[Paradyme]

How would that hurt it?

You're basically asking the same thing I already said. If its not going to help the situation meaning its not really going to hurt or hinder the potential smuggler from obtaining the weapon. Who it will hurt is the regular American.

 

[The Major]

You're basically asking the same thing I already said. If its not going to help the situation meaning its not really going to hurt or hinder the potential smuggler from obtaining the weapon. Who it will hurt is the regular American.

Regular Americans can be just as dangerous, Paradyme. More government screening means it'll be that much more difficult those unstable Americans to get their hands on guns. It could certainly make it more difficult for person to smuggle guns if they have less access to them.

 

[Paradyme]

Regular Americans can be just as dangerous, Paradyme. More government screening means it'll be that much more difficult those unstable Americans to get their hands on guns. It could certainly make it more difficult for person to smuggle guns if they have less access to them.

So, the minority once again effect the majority.

I don't care if when I'm getting my background check it pings also a mental health check and then pings if I'm a U.S. citizen but that should be it. I kinda thought that was the point of the background check in the first place.

Anything else that is tacked on to a purchase of a firearm is ridiculous and is hurting a majority of regular folk to weed out the few. Maybe, instead of the government being so narrow minded in their implementation of stricter gun laws they should try to enforce other things, like the border.

Another problem is when they try to add another stipulation to owning a firearm they charge you money. They used to charge us $100 here for a permit to purchase a handgun. Then you had to get another permit to pick up the handgun from a certain retailer. It was repetitive and stupid. Thankfully, it was abolished recently.