Discussion: The Second Amendment

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So, the minority once again effect the majority.

I don't care if when I'm getting my background check it pings also a mental health check and then pings if I'm a U.S. citizen but that should be it. I kinda thought that was the point of the background check in the first place.

It isn't thorough enough IMO. Especially with gun shows and gun selling being unregulated.

Anything else that is tacked on to a purchase of a firearm is ridiculous and is hurting a majority of regular folk to weed out the few.

How is waiting a bit longer hurting responsible gun buyers? Those few need to be weeded out to protect everyone's safety.


Maybe, instead of the government being so narrow minded in their implementation of stricter gun laws they should try to enforce other things, like the border.

They should do both.
 
Give a man a bullet, and he'll want a gun. Give a man a gun, and he'll be giving away the bullets - Serious Sam

If you give a mouse a cookie....and he has a gun, he will stick you up for the whole box of cookies
 
It isn't thorough enough IMO. Especially with gun shows and gun selling being unregulated.

Maybe they are in Texas but when you I purchased a gun from a gun show its exactly the same as buying it from the store. They run a background check. Maybe the government needs to improve their back ground check system.

How is waiting a bit longer hurting responsible gun buyers? Those few need to be weeded out to protect everyone's safety.

It hurts us because as I said earlier when they tack on a longer wait period they also tend to charge us more for the trouble. Maybe if we let everyone conceal carry where they wanted, like in Texas, criminals would be a bit more cautious about where they tread.

They should do both.

Or not.
 
Regular Americans can be just as dangerous, Paradyme. More government screening means it'll be that much more difficult those unstable Americans to get their hands on guns. It could certainly make it more difficult for person to smuggle guns if they have less access to them.

No. Since the "regular Americans" that become dangerous normally don't go out and buy and gun, they use the guns they already have.

Again, gun control is a delusional dream that will never work in reality.
 
Obama to seek ratification of arms treaty

MEXICO CITY – Confronting a security threat on the America's doorstep, President Barack Obama arrived Thursday in Mexico for a swift diplomatic mission to show solidarity on drugs and guns with a troubled neighbor — and to prove the U.S. is serious about the battle against trafficking.

After a meeting with Mexican President Felipe Calderon, Obama planned to announce he would support an inter-American weapons treaty meant to take on the bloody drug trade. Officials described the plan on the condition of anonymity so they wouldn't pre-empt the announcement.

The regional treaty, adopted by the Organization of American States, was signed by former President Bill Clinton in 1997 but never ratified by the U.S. Senate. Officials said Obama would push lawmakers to act on it — an opening gesture for meetings that also would include discussion of the economic crisis and possibly clean energy.

Among the other touchy points are disagreement over a lapsed U.S. assault weapons ban, a standoff over cross-border trucking, and immigration.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090416/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_mexico
 
We keep looking at North Korea, Iran, etc........and all hell is breaking loose just South of us.
 
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Now, Suzanna Gratia Hupp knows what the 2nd Amendment is all about.

On October 16, 1991, Hennard drove his 1987 Ford Ranger pickup truck through the front window of a Luby's Cafeteria at 1705 East Central Texas Expressway in Killeen, yelled "This is what Bell County has done to me!", then opened fire on the restaurant's patrons and staff with a Glock 17 pistol and later a Ruger P89. About 80 people were in the restaurant at the time. He stalked, shot, and killed 23 people and wounded another 20 before committing suicide. During the shooting, he approached Suzanna Gratia Hupp and her parents. Hupp had actually brought a handgun to the Luby's Cafeteria that day, but had left it in her vehicle due to the laws in force at the time, forbidding citizens from carrying firearms. According to her later testimony in favor of Missouri's HB-1720 bill[1] and in general, after she realized that her firearm was not in her purse, but "a hundred feet away in [her] car", her father charged at Hennard in an attempt to subdue him, only to be gunned down; a short time later, her mother was also shot and killed. (Hupp later expressed regret for abiding by the law in question by leaving her firearm in her car, rather than keeping it on her person. One patron, Tommy Vaughn, threw himself through a plate-glass window to allow others to escape. Hennard allowed a mother and her four-year-old child to leave. He reloaded several times and still had ammunition remaining when he committed suicide by shooting himself in the head after being cornered and wounded by police.

Reacting to the massacre, in 1995 the Texas Legislature passed a shall-issue gun law allowing Texas citizens with the required permit to carry concealed weapons. The law had been campaigned for by Suzanna Hupp, who was present at the Luby's massacre and both of whose parents were shot and killed. Hupp testified across the country in support of concealed-handgun laws, and was elected to the Texas House of Representatives in 1996. The law was signed by then-Governor George W. Bush and became part of a broad movement to allow U.S. citizens to easily obtain permits to carry concealed weapons.
 
I didn't realize the last sentence has a 4 letter word...but what the hell, I am leaving it. This to me is something everyone needs to see.
 
The point of the 2nd amendment is so we call can if we choose to go hunting as a sport. And by that, I mean, you know, with cameras since killing is evil all and we should respect all life, even though steak is mighty tasty. Tofu is good for you! *hugstree*
 
You should have been reading The Tennessean (Nashville "newspaper") over the last few weeks. The state legislature recently passed a law to allow (with restaurant owner's approval) persons with concealed-carry permits to have their guns in restaurants that serve alcohol, as long as the carrying person doesn't consume alcohol. Governor Bredesen (a Democrat, naturally) vetoed the bill, but his veto was overridden.

Anyway, the Tennessean--liberal rag that it is--strongly opposed it. Even their news stories showed clear bias against the bill. And, despite the fact that a majority of Tennesseans supported the bill, the published letters to the editor largely opposed it.

They tried telling us that we would be a "Wild West" equivalent with shootouts in the street. They told us that we would be laughed at as backwards by other states (despite that 38 states also have the same law--they haven't turned into Wild Wests, either). They told us that somehow the mere possession of a gun, legally carried, would turn a law-abiding citizen into a reckless outlaw.

Pathetic. I have nothing to fear from law-abiding citizens carrying guns. I don't care where they are: my restaurant, church, the grocery store, whatever. An armed citizenry is a safer citizenry.
 
Here is an interesting statistic for the concealed handgun law in Texas.
How many murders have been attributed to the concealed handgun holder since the law came about?

ZERO
 
*steps off of alfalfa patch and takes off mood beads*

I believe that the second amendment was created so that the average American citizen could protect themselves, their homes, and their country from invaders should law enforcement not be available to do so. As long as gun owners are functionally sane (and practice gun safety), then all the power to them.

*puts mood beads back on, returns to alfalfa patch, and sings a folk song*
 
I support the 2d amendment, but I need to mention this since it is relevant.

In any of these spree killing's, has anyone taken down one of these attackers with any kind of weapon?
 
So, some guy shows up at an Obama town hall with a gun strapped to his leg, holding a sign with the "Tree of Liberty" quote favored by Domestic Militia groups, and got off pretty easy by just being watched by police. Now because most non-gun nut Americans thought that was crossing a line, now all the 2nd amendment people are coming out of the woodwork in outrage that people are saying he shouldn't bring a gun to a political debate.

Wow... I support the 2nd amendment, but people like this guy are the reasons it could be stripped away by acting brash and stupid. Of course, now we find out this is one of those people who condone gunning down police trying to get in your house.

Seriously, where are the non-wack gun owners out there to talk down these typoe of actions? If this guy did the same thing withing 5 miles of a Bush speech 4 years ago, what do you think would have happened there?
 
So, some guy shows up at an Obama town hall with a gun strapped to his leg, holding a sign with the "Tree of Liberty" quote favored by Domestic Militia groups, and got off pretty easy by just being watched by police. Now because most non-gun nut Americans thought that was crossing a line, now all the 2nd amendment people are coming out of the woodwork in outrage that people are saying he shouldn't bring a gun to a political debate.

Wow... I support the 2nd amendment, but people like this guy are the reasons it could be stripped away by acting brash and stupid. Of course, now we find out this is one of those people who condone gunning down police trying to get in your house.

Seriously, where are the non-wack gun owners out there to talk down these typoe of actions? If this guy did the same thing withing 5 miles of a Bush speech 4 years ago, what do you think would have happened there?

The same thing that happened at this Obama town hall: nothing.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/11/protester-with-gun-found_n_256614.html

A man carried a handgun strapped to his leg to a town hall meeting being held by President Obama in Portsmouth, New Hampshire on Tuesday.

It's legal for him to have the gun as long as it is unconcealed, the police told MSNBC. The man was on private property -- church ground on the roadway leading to the high school where Obama would speak. The church gave the man permission to be there. However, according to police officers, he is under constant surveillance and is not anywhere near where the president will speak.

He did nothing wrong besides do something some people don't like.
 
Yeah, so if this flake was at a Bush rally a couple years ago with that "Blood of Tyrants" sign with a gun strapped to his leg, nothing would happen? The same administration that removed people for T-shirts and had protest lines set up miles away from the event?

Suuuurree....
 
So, some guy shows up at an Obama town hall with a gun strapped to his leg, holding a sign with the "Tree of Liberty" quote favored by Domestic Militia groups, and got off pretty easy by just being watched by police. Now because most non-gun nut Americans thought that was crossing a line, now all the 2nd amendment people are coming out of the woodwork in outrage that people are saying he shouldn't bring a gun to a political debate.

Wow... I support the 2nd amendment, but people like this guy are the reasons it could be stripped away by acting brash and stupid. Of course, now we find out this is one of those people who condone gunning down police trying to get in your house.

Seriously, where are the non-wack gun owners out there to talk down these typoe of actions? If this guy did the same thing withing 5 miles of a Bush speech 4 years ago, what do you think would have happened there?

I agree.

The same thing that happened at this Obama town hall: nothing.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/11/protester-with-gun-found_n_256614.html



He did nothing wrong besides do something some people don't like.

I think he also exercised poor judgment
 
Yeah, so if this flake was at a Bush rally a couple years ago with that "Blood of Tyrants" sign with a gun strapped to his leg, nothing would happen? The same administration that removed people for T-shirts and had protest lines set up miles away from the event?

Suuuurree....

There's no way of knowing what would have happened. Regardless, this incident has nothing to do with the issue of gun control.

I think he also exercised poor judgment

I agree but what he did wasn't illegal and it's no reason to call for stricter gun control.
 
I don't think I want my neighbor to own a 105 Howitzer. There should be some type of gun control.
 
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