Discussion: The Tea Party

[StorminNorman]

 

[dnno1]

This is a classic:

 

[Paradoxium]

Regular reader of Karl Denninger, he was on Ratigan and talked about the Teaparty. And no he is not a Progressive.

 

[hippie_hunter]

This is a classic:

That was freaking brilliant

 

[dudamundo]

Have never attended a tea party rally. Have some good friends who are very involved. The portrayal by left wing media is incredibly inaccurate of this movement.

 

[DACrowe]

RAND PAUL SUPPORTERS BEAT LIBERAL ACTIVIST TO THE GROUND AND STOMP ON HER HEAD

 

[Timstuff]

This is a classic:

 

[AG1973]

RAND PAUL SUPPORTERS BEAT LIBERAL ACTIVIST TO THE GROUND AND STOMP ON HER HEAD

Yeah the TEA party is a grassroots movement that wants what is best for all Americans they have no extremist radicals within their ranks and they would never do harm to anyone that disagrees with their views...

NOT!!!​

 

[StorminNorman]

You do realize lumping an entire, massive and diverse group based on the actions of a few makes you look like a total tool, yes?

 

[Franklin Richards]

How many incidents does it take?

 

[Timstuff]

How many does it take for what? And do you want people to drag out all the dirty laundry that left-wing protesters have from the Bush years? Every popular political movement will attract at least a few extremists.

 

[chaseter]

How many incidents does it take?

Like when Eric Holder dropped the case of the voter intimidation case in Philly where Black Panther members were outside a voting place with weapons and taunting white voters? Then one of them, Shabazz, said that, and I am paraphrasing, 'if you want freedom, you are going to have to kill some crackas and their cracka babies'. In reply to this, the NAACP called the Tea Party racist and did not condemn Shabazz.

How many of those incidents does it take?

 

[Carcharodon]

You do realize lumping an entire, massive and diverse group based on the actions of a few makes you look like a total tool, yes?

It's not all that diverse, but otherwise you have a point.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Where was it that I indicated who I was talking about? I just wanted to know what the number was that makes a group extreme.


But of course the only course of action is to bring up the "other side's" dirty laundry instead of dealing with the matter at hand.

 

[chaseter]

Where was it that I indicated who I was talking about? I just wanted to know what the number was that makes a group extreme.


But of course the only course of action is to bring up the "other side's" dirty laundry instead of dealing with the matter at hand.

Which is the pot calling the kettle black...

There are extremes in every movement.

It's not all that diverse, but otherwise you have a point.

Blacks make up 10% of the population and of that 10%, over 80% vote with the Democratic party and have been doing so for decades and over 90% voted for Obama. So out of an event of 10,000 people, you would expect to see about 100 black people. Sounds about right to me

People use that argument to call the Tea Party racist and it is a falsehood. I guess if I went to a dinner hosted by the National Black Caucus, I would need to cry foul when I only see a handful of white people.

 

[Timstuff]

Rand Paul emplored of his supporters violence has no place in political discourse, and denounced any violence that may have taken place against the opposition. What more is he supposed to do, take his name off the ballot because "he has blood on his hands?"

 

[Carcharodon]

Blacks make up 10% of the population and of that 10%, over 80% vote with the Democratic party and have been doing so for decades and over 90% voted for Obama. So out of an event of 10,000 people, you would expect to see about 100 black people. Sounds about right to me

That doesn't mean it's diverse. I don't see what was wrong with my statement.

People use that argument to call the Tea Party racist and it is a falsehood. I guess if I went to a dinner hosted by the National Black Caucus, I would need to cry foul when I only see a handful of white people.

It's a good thing I never called them racist.

 

[Franklin Richards]

But when do you label the entire group extreme? How many instances of violence or sabre rattling does it take before you consider a group extreme?


I have no problem with calling the rioters who attend G20 meetings extreme. They tear up every place they go. They use threatening tactics. They vandalize.

 

[Carcharodon]

But when do you label the entire group extreme? How many instances of violence or sabre rattling does it take before you consider a group extreme?

Would you call Islam a violent and extreme religion? Would you call its followers an extreme group?

There have been LOTS of instances of violence in the name of Islam, far more extreme and far more common than we will ever see out of the Tea Party movement.

Think carefully about the argument you're trying to make.

 

[DACrowe]

Rand Paul may have condemned violence. But when Glenn Beck tells these people every night the future of the Republic is at stake, advertises and personally endorses survival gear and "food insurance" for the apocalypse brought about by Obama and says that if the Dems win in 2010 that your children will be sold into slavery to China...and Republican candidates in Florida, Nevada and Texas (one of them running for Senate) have said if they lose their supporters will have to turn to "Second Amendment remedies" or that "revolution is an option."


...Well you can't be surprised when this happens. Or when a Glenn Beck viewer tried to blow up a nonprofit group in San Fransisco. Or when another Glenn Beck viewer killed a cop in Pennsylvania. Or when an O'Reilly Factor viewer killed an abortion doctor. Or when Tea Partiers or at least people opposed to Health Care Reform cut a Democratic Congressman's gas lines in an attempt to kill the residents in the house (actually his brother's family, as it turned out).

These "isolated incidents" pile up, but you guys shrug. Point to G-20 riots from usually foreigners and then go back to talking about how evil the Democrats are. Very tiring and insulating.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Would you call Islam a violent and extreme religion? Would you call its followers an extreme group?

There have been LOTS of instances of violence in the name of Islam, far more extreme and far more common than we will ever see out of the Tea Party movement.

Think carefully about the argument you're trying to make.

No, because the followers of Islam doing the extreme crap are not doing it because the religion condones it. They are just doing it in its name, just like Christians did when they burned witches.

An extremist is an extremist, and these extreme Tea Party members are definitely a disturbing trend.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Would you call Islam a violent and extreme religion? Would you call its followers an extreme group?

There have been LOTS of instances of violence in the name of Islam, far more extreme and far more common than we will ever see out of the Tea Party movement.

Think carefully about the argument you're trying to make.

I'm not trying to make any argument. I'm just asking honest questions.

 

[Carcharodon]

No, because the followers of Islam doing the extreme crap are not doing it because the religion condones it. They are just doing it in its name, just like Christians did when they burned witches.

I know that, and the question was in response to what Franklin had asked. It was (mostly) rhetorical.

 

[StorminNorman]

It's not all that diverse, but otherwise you have a point.

You know people aren't just about race, right? If nothing else, the Tea Party is made up of all CLASSES, all AGES, all BACKGROUNDS. You have intellectuals, you have plumbers, you have political radicals, you have apolitical housewives all apart of it. It is inherently racist to only focus on race as a sign of diversity.

 

[Carcharodon]

I'm not trying to make any argument. I'm just asking honest questions.

So am I. I guess I just misunderstood your intention, given the context of the conversation. I made an assumption.