Disney's Frozen

[X Knight]

Yep. He adapted a Hans Christian Andersen fairy tale where he made his vision of the titular hero being that of a red head voiced by Jodi Benson.

The less we think about how the mighty like Bluth fell in the '90s the better.

They already have productions for Jack and the Beanstalk ("Giants" in 2016) and "Moana" in 2018. The latter will probably be the next "princess" movie (unless the success of Frozen causes them to fast track a lot more) and is set in the South Pacific 2000 years ago. It is from John Musker and Ron Clements of The Little Mermaid and Aladdin....as well as The Princess and the Frog (everyone has off days?), and it will be done as a 2D-3D hybrid utilizing "Paperman" technology.

I imagine that a European fairy tale will become a priority for the company after this weekend, as Frozen is ALSO joining Hunger Games in beating the previous Thanksgiving weekend record held by Harry Potter. Well done.

interesting.

 

[DACrowe]

Joan of Arc as a Disney film? Yikes. That said, I think maybe something historical based would be a nice change a la Pocahontas.

I am actually against that. Even Disney concedes that Pocahontas was the turning point where the Renaissance films went from amazing to merely "good." And one of the reasons is that they tried so hard to mix history, pop culture mythology and Disney cliches into one package--hoping to please everyone--they ended up pleasing no one with a very borning movie.

I honestly think Frozen and Tangled prove that the Disney fairy tale formula still works if it is done on fairy tales. Or be more courageous like Lion King and use the Disney "staples" of post-1989 (Broadway caliber showtunes, reliably funny sidekicks, guaranteed happy ending) and revolve them around something original and ambitious a la Lion King.

However, doing history just dumbs it down as everyone knows enough about Pocahontas or even Jamestown to know that it wasn't about digging for gold and talking trees with cute raccoons that can teach people to become bilingual in a day. That way only lies madness.

 

[X Knight]

I am actually against that. Even Disney concedes that Pocahontas was the turning point where the Renaissance films went from amazing to merely "good." And one of the reasons is that they tried so hard to mix history, pop culture mythology and Disney cliches into one package--hoping to please everyone--they ended up pleasing no one with a very borning movie.

I honestly think Frozen and Tangled prove that the Disney fairy tale formula still works if it is done on fairy tales. Or be more courageous like Lion King and use the Disney "staples" of post-1989 (Broadway caliber showtunes, reliably funny sidekicks, guaranteed happy ending) and revolve them around something original and ambitious a la Lion King.

However, doing history just dumbs it down as everyone knows enough about Pocahontas or even Jamestown to know that it wasn't about digging for gold and talking trees with cute raccoons that can teach people to become bilingual in a day. That way only lies madness.

You mean............history isn't filled with talking trees and cute raccoon sidekicks!!! SHOCKED!!! SHOCKED I SAY!!!!

I do agree, though. Out of all the Disney renaissance films, Pocahontas was my least favorite, story wise, character wise, and music/song wise. And the quality of the films did start to taper off after that.

The only thing I really remember about Pocahontas is that leading up to the release, there was an interactive exhibit at a nearby mall. One of the stands let you play a scene from the movie and record your own voice over.

So, in my 12 year old voice, I voiced over a scene where Pocahontas accused John Smith of seeing another woman............

It was glorious.

 

[jmc]

I am actually against that. Even Disney concedes that Pocahontas was the turning point where the Renaissance films went from amazing to merely ''good.'' And one of the reasons is that they tried so hard to mix history, pop culture mythology and Disney cliches into one package--hoping to please everyone--they ended up pleasing no one with a very borning movie.

I honestly think Frozen and Tangled prove that the Disney fairy tale formula still works if it is done on fairy tales. Or be more courageous like Lion King and use the Disney ''staples'' of post-1989 (Broadway caliber showtunes, reliably funny sidekicks, guaranteed happy ending) and revolve them around something original and ambitious a la Lion King.

However, doing history just dumbs it down as everyone knows enough about Pocahontas or even Jamestown to know that it wasn't about digging for gold and talking trees with cute raccoons that can teach people to become bilingual in a day. That way only lies madness.

I can kinda see your point actually, Pocahontas feels far more mature a film compared to what came before and part of that is probably down to it being based on history. It's Disney trying to fit the fairytale format into an historical event, you're right they don't really blend all that well.

 

[X Knight]

I can kinda see your point actually, Pocahontas feels far more mature a film compared to what came before and part of that is probably down to it being based on history. It's Disney trying to fit the fairytale format into an historical event, you're right they don't really blend all that well.

I guess we can scratch that Disney Joan of Arc film..........

 

[jmc]

I would of liked to see Disney try and turn that into a Happily Ever After ending. lol

 

[Jordacar]

Now waiting patiently for the Queen Elsa/Jack Frost shipper fanart.

 

[X Knight]

you gotta love the Disney wiki. Reading through the Hunchback entry, they list various differences between the film and the book. Like this one:

"In the book, Frollo tried to [BLACKOUT]rape[/BLACKOUT] Esmeralda when she hides in the bell tower, but Quasimodo picks Frollo, and slammed him against the wall. This does not appear in the movie. "

HOLY CRAP!!! Gee. I wonder why that doesn't appear in the Disney film??!!

Maybe......CUZ IT'S A KID'S FILM!!!

 

[Jordacar]

I still wonder sometimes what the brains at Disney saw in Hunchback that convinced them it was worthy of being Disney-fied.

 

[X Knight]

I would of liked to see Disney try and turn that into a Happily Ever After ending. lol

she was burned at the stake wasn't she??

not exactly Happily Ever After......

But Disney probably would have called it Staked or something...........

or Arced...........

 

[Jordacar]

I'm surprised how little they explained how Elsa got her ice powers. Might be something interesting to explore if there's a sequel.

 

[X Knight]

I still wonder sometimes what the brains at Disney saw in Hunchback that convinced them it was worthy of being Disney-fied.

well, the original Little Mermaid story wasn't exactly roses and rainbows, either.

The Rapunzel story apparently had the prince climb up the tower and have sex with Rapunzel on a regular basis. When she got pregnant and couldn't fit in her dress, that's what tipped off the evil witch and she threw Rapunzel out of the tower. At least that's what the original version of the story was. Or so I read..........online.

 

[X Knight]

I'm surprised how little they explained how Elsa got her ice powers. Might be something interesting to explore if there's a sequel.

as much as I'd like to see more of Anna and Elsa, I dread any sequel cuz the sequels to these Disney films generally suck.

 

[jmc]

Hunchback I believe is a very underrated film, with a fantastic score and epic operatic music, it's just too dark for a Disney movie.

 

[mclay18]

I imagine that a European fairy tale will become a priority for the company after this weekend

There's dozens of Grimm's Fairy Tales that haven't been adapted into film yet. While it would take some work to remove the more gruesome aspects, like changing the endings, some would be quite something to experience on screen.

I hope they just don't dip back into the Hans Christian Andersen well for a good while.

 

[X Knight]

how bout Red Riding Hood??

Or Goldilocks??

 

[DACrowe]

I still wonder sometimes what the brains at Disney saw in Hunchback that convinced them it was worthy of being Disney-fied.

It was the same directors as B&TB. They thought it could be another Oscar movie with high prestige involved. But the material obviously again did not quite fit.

 

[X Knight]

Hunchback I believe is a very underrated film, with a fantastic score and epic operatic music, it's just too dark for a Disney movie.

I remember after the Disney movie came out, I was compelled to read the original story. The bookstore clerk asked if I wanted the Disney kids book and I said I wanted the real story.

I read it and thought it was so sad, especially the ending. Nothing like the Disney film at all!! lol

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

I guess we can scratch that Disney Joan of Arc film..........

That reminds me, Joan had a "cameo" in Frozen!

 

[psylockolussus]

how bout Red Riding Hood??

Or Goldilocks??

I would like to see Goldilocks.

The more fairy-tale inspired/based movies for Disney's canon, the better!

 

[X Knight]

That reminds me, Joan had a "cameo" in Frozen!

Hang in there, Joan!

 

[Wheels]

Hunchback is pretty great. I don't care what anyone says.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Hang in there, Joan!

You really are awesome, man.

Hunchback is pretty great. I don't care what anyone says.

 

[X Knight]

when I was young, I always wished Disney would make a film based on Homer's Odyssey and/or Iliad.

but I don't really see how that would translate to a princess film or musical........lol

 

[X Knight]

You really are awesome, man.

I was born ready!!