Disney's Frozen

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ThePowerCosmic said:
Oh wow, don't know why I said Elsa. It's not like it's hard to tell the sisters apart. My bad. :doh:
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well, they both love chocolate...........:o :oldrazz:

But yeah, Kristoff sharing more of his backstory with Anna would have been nice. Just like in Tangled, when Flynn and Rapunzel are sitting by the camp fire and he's telling her his backstory, she giggles and gives him that "look" that shows she's starting to have feelings for him ( which was one of the most adorable moments in the film ).

Although a similar thing happened in Frozen, too. [BLACKOUT]When Kristoff's trying to warn Anna about his "friends," I think she does give him that "look." I think she was touched by his sweetness and sensitivity and that he really was looking out for her.[/BLACKOUT]

And maybe it was intentional that they didn't have Kristoff share his backstory with Anna [BLACKOUT]to distinguish him from Hans. Hans won over Anna largely by sharing his backstory. They " have so much in common" because they have issues with their siblings, blah blah blah. Kristoff won over Anna mainly by how he acted and treated her and geniunely cared for her.[/BLACKOUT]
 
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X Knight said:
well, they both love chocolate...........:o :oldrazz:

But yeah, Kristoff sharing more of his backstory with Anna would have been nice. Just like in Tangled, when Flynn and Rapunzel are sitting by the camp fire and he's telling her his backstory, she giggles and gives him that "look" that shows she's starting to have feelings for him ( which was one of the most adorable moments in the film ).

Although a similar thing happened in Frozen, too. [BLACKOUT]When Kristoff's trying to warn Anna about his "friends," I think she does give him that "look." I think she was touched by his sweetness and sensitivity and that he really was looking out for her.[/BLACKOUT]

And maybe it was intentional that they didn't have Kristoff share his backstory with Anna [BLACKOUT]to distinguish him from Hans. Hans won over Anna largely by sharing his backstory. They " have so much in common" because they have issues with their siblings, blah blah blah. Kristoff won over Anna mainly by how he acted and treated her and geniunely cared for her.[/BLACKOUT]
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Ha, that chocolate moment was too cute. And I feel like Kristoff wasn't as developed as some of the other Disney men so far. But there are definitely some that he's more developed than. It's not a blank character, by any means.


Something I didn't understand was [BLACKOUT]what if the prince was actually genuinely in love with Anna? She seemed to be all for him, and when he leaned in to kiss her, she was ready for it. I just wonder if that would've worked, I guess Kristoff would've been s**t outta luck, huh? It seems like Anna didn't really fully look at Kristoff in that way until the prince revealed his true self to her. Almost like Kristoff was Anna's rebound guy, in a way...maybe I'm looking at it wrong?[/BLACKOUT]
 
Does anyone else think it was a wasted opportunity when they didn't[BLACKOUT] have Olaf melt all the way into a puddle? I thought it was building up toward that sad moment, but it was just a quick one and done thing the way they did it in the movie.[/BLACKOUT]
 
ThePowerCosmic said:
Ha, that chocolate moment was too cute. And I feel like Kristoff wasn't as developed as some of the other Disney men so far. But there are definitely some that he's more developed than. It's not a blank character, by any means.


Something I didn't understand was [BLACKOUT]what if the prince was actually genuinely in love with Anna? She seemed to be all for him, and when he leaned in to kiss her, she was ready for it. I just wonder if that would've worked, I guess Kristoff would've been s**t outta luck, huh? It seems like Anna didn't really fully look at Kristoff in that way until the prince revealed his true self to her. Almost like Kristoff was Anna's rebound guy, in a way...maybe I'm looking at it wrong?[/BLACKOUT]
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I think perhaps Kristoff wasn't as fully developed as a leading man is because, as I said before, that love story was secondary to the love story between the sisters. Thus, Anna and Elsa were the most developed characters, everyone else was more secondary.

As for Kristoff being the rebound guy, I suppose it could come across that way. However, I think it was more that Anna was so blinded by her love for Hans, who she "thinks" she loves, that she failed to see "what's right in front of her" as they say. She didn't fully realize that Kristoff loved her, or that she loved Kristoff, until Hans broke her heart and left her to die.....literally.

It might be hard to say if Anna truly loved Hans. I think she was more "smitten" with him and caught up with the new sensations and the idea that she finally met her "soul mate" who seemed to have so much in common with her. She fell for the first guy she met, and that's a very tricky emotion.
 
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ThePowerCosmic said:
Does anyone else think it was a wasted opportunity when they didn't[BLACKOUT] have Olaf melt all the way into a puddle? I thought it was building up toward that sad moment, but it was just a quick one and done thing the way they did it in the movie.[/BLACKOUT]
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Don't think Olaf completely melting would have added much to the story. The "touching moment" happened when he rescued Anna and rushed over to start the fire to try to save her, oblivious to the harm it would cause him. And then when he realized what heat does to frozen things, he said "But some people are worth melting for."
 
X Knight said:
I think perhaps Kristoff wasn't as fully developed as a leading man is because, as I said before, that love story was secondary to the love story between the sisters. Thus, Anna and Elsa were the most developed characters, everyone else was more secondary.

As for Kristoff being the rebound guy, I suppose it could come across that way. However, I think it was more that Anna was so blinded by her love for Hans, who she "thinks" she loves, that she failed to see "what's right in front of her" as they say. She didn't fully realize that Kristoff loved her, or that she loved Kristoff, until Hans broke her heart and left her to die.....literally.
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Yeah, Kristoff wasn't the main character of the story like Simba, Aladdin, Tarzan, Hercules, etc. So I understand.

It kinda reminded me of Enchanted in that aspect. [BLACKOUT]How Giselle fell in love with the prince after just meeting him, but then discovered that she was really in love with that other guy after spending more time with him and getting to know him. But the difference is that the other prince wasn't a jerk, and Giselle realized that she loved the other guy without getting betrayed by her prince.[/BLACKOUT]

I would've loved it if [BLACKOUT]the Prince actually did kiss her, and nothing happened. That's when Anna would've discovered that she didn't really love him, and then the Prince would've told her his true motives. I just had a problem with how that played out. It's like, "Oh, now you love Kristoff. After the other guy stabbed you in the back." Oh well. [/BLACKOUT]
 
X Knight said:
Don't think Olaf completely melting would have added much to the story. The "touching moment" happened when he rescued Anna and rushed over to start the fire to try to save her, oblivious to the harm it would cause him. And then when he realized what heat does to frozen things, he said "But some people are worth melting for."
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If Olaf [BLACKOUT]would've finally gotten to see the sun, then turned to Anna and repeated a variant of that line like, "Some things are worth melting for." right before fully melting, that would've been a nice sad moment to me. And then Elsa could've brought him back. Not a big deal, though. Maybe I'm in the minority.[/BLACKOUT]
 
ThePowerCosmic said:
Yeah, Kristoff wasn't the main character of the story like Simba, Aladdin, Tarzan, Hercules, etc. So I understand.

It kinda reminded me of Enchanted in that aspect. [BLACKOUT]How Giselle fell in love with the prince after just meeting him, but then discovered that she was really in love with that other guy after spending more time with him and getting to know him. But the difference is that the other prince wasn't a jerk, and Giselle realized that she loved the other guy without getting betrayed by her prince.[/BLACKOUT]

I would've loved it if [BLACKOUT]the Prince actually did kiss her, and nothing happened. That's when Anna would've discovered that she didn't really love him, and then the Prince would've told her his true motives. I just had a problem with how that played out. It's like, "Oh, now you love Kristoff. After the other guy stabbed you in the back." Oh well. [/BLACKOUT]
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[BLACKOUT]I thought the way Hans leaned in to kiss Anna, then stopped just short, then said the line "if only you had someone to love you" was perfectly cold and suited the scene. Also, if Hans did kiss Anna, it would have been her first kiss (presumably), and that would have taken away the specialness of her kiss with Kristoff, which was her first kiss (again presumably).[/BLACKOUT]
 
ThePowerCosmic said:
If Olaf [BLACKOUT]would've finally gotten to see the sun, then turned to Anna and repeated a variant of that line like, "Some things are worth melting for." right before fully melting, that would've been a nice sad moment to me. And then Elsa could've brought him back. Not a big deal, though. Maybe I'm in the minority.[/BLACKOUT]
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[BLACKOUT]Olaf turning into a puddle would have been equal to him dying. It would be kind of cruel to let him die right in front of you, then bring him back to life.

Also, it would have been kind of superfluous to have another sacrificial death/resurrection when we just had that with Anna.

I just don't think having Olaf die by turning into a puddle would have added anything to the emotions of the story. Usually, it's one of the leads who "dies" before coming back to life ( Beast, Flynn, Anna ).
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X Knight said:
[BLACKOUT]I thought the way Hans leaned in to kiss Anna, then stopped just short, then said the line "if only you had someone to love you" was perfectly cold and suited the scene. Also, if Hans did kiss Anna, it would have been her first kiss (presumably), and that would have taken away the specialness of her kiss with Kristoff, which was her first kiss (again presumably).[/BLACKOUT]
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I don't think it would've taken away from it. T[BLACKOUT]hat kiss from Hans would've felt empty to Anna, whereas with Kristoff, it would've felt authentic. I feel like all of that "first love" stuff went out the window when Anna did a love song with Hans at the start. It pretty much means jack s**t in retrospect, seeing as how Hans meant none of it. I just wish Anna would've wised up and realized that she wasn't in love with Hans before he stabbed her in the back and made her look foolish. It would've shown character progression to me if she would've opened her eyes herself and stopped being blinded by "love". But it does happen in life, so it's not like it was unrealistic. People get hurt like that all of the time. That's why it wasn't an enormous deal for me to see it play out like that in the movie.[/BLACKOUT]
 
ThePowerCosmic said:
I don't think it would've taken away from it. T[BLACKOUT]hat kiss from Hans would've felt empty to Anna, whereas with Kristoff, it would've felt authentic. I feel like all of that "first love" stuff went out the window when Anna did a love song with Hans at the start. It pretty much means jack s**t in retrospect, seeing as how Hans meant none of it. I just wish Anna would've wised up and realized that she wasn't in love with Hans before he stabbed her in the back and made her look foolish. It would've shown character progression to me if she would've opened her eyes herself and stopped being blinded by "love". But it does happen in life, so it's not like it was unrealistic. People get hurt like that all of the time. That's why it wasn't an enormous deal for me to see it play out like that in the movie.[/BLACKOUT]
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[BLACKOUT]It.........happened to me with a girl I met. Like Anna, I fell for "my first" only to later learn that person was just playing with your emotions. So, yeah, it does happen in real life. And it doesn't feel too good either. :o :csad:[/BLACKOUT]
 
X Knight said:
[BLACKOUT]Olaf turning into a puddle would have been equal to him dying. It would be kind of cruel to let him die right in front of you, then bring him back to life.

Also, it would have been kind of superfluous to have another sacrificial death/resurrection when we just had that with Anna.

I just don't think having Olaf die by turning into a puddle would have added anything to the emotions of the story. Usually, it's one of the leads who "dies" before coming back to life ( Beast, Flynn, Anna ).
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[BLACKOUT]Elsa wouldn't have been standing there as Olaf melted, in the way I imagine the scene. She would have come up after it happened. But I do see what you mean by having another death/resurrection. That's a great point, would've seemed too excessive. I just think they didn't play up the Olaf melting thing as well as it could have been. But the way they did it was for the best, I suppose. [/BLACKOUT]
 
ThePowerCosmic said:
[BLACKOUT]Elsa wouldn't have been standing there as Olaf melted, in the way I imagine the scene. She would have come up after it happened. But I do see what you mean by having another death/resurrection. That's a great point, would've seemed too excessive. I just think they didn't play up the Olaf melting thing as well as it could have been. But the way they did it was for the best, I suppose. [/BLACKOUT]
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besides [BLACKOUT]has any other Disney sidekick ever "died" before being brought back to life? I don't really recall any.........[/BLACKOUT]
 
X Knight said:
[BLACKOUT]It.........happened to me with a girl I met. Like Anna, I fell for "my first" only to later learn that person was just playing with your emotions. So, yeah, it does happen in real life. And it doesn't feel too good either. :o :csad:[/BLACKOUT]
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Sorry to hear that, man. Love can be a real b**ch sometimes. :csad:
 
ThePowerCosmic said:
Sorry to hear that, man. Love can be a real b**ch sometimes. :csad:
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sure can. :csad:

[BLACKOUT]And now when I think back on that experience, I often ask myself was it really "love" or was it more being smitten with that person because you're caught up in the moment or whatever and you just develop this emotional attachment. But is it really love?

That's why I'm not sure if Anna really loved Hans, even if she thought she did.[/BLACKOUT]
 
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X Knight said:
besides [BLACKOUT]has any other Disney sidekick ever "died" before being brought back to life? I don't really recall any.........[/BLACKOUT]
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[BLACKOUT] I don't think so, but I don't think that was the issue. I think if Olaf did melt, the audience would've responded to it with sadness since he was a loveable character. But since the frozen Anna scene was in the movie, that moment had precedence over a side character, and the Olaf scene would've seemed excessive in addition to that sad moment. [/BLACKOUT]

It's like how the firefly Ray died in Princess and the Frog, then was "brought back" as a star in the sky. That was a good and sad moment, but it was good to see him living forever where he really wanted to be.
 
ThePowerCosmic said:
[BLACKOUT] I don't think so, but I don't think that was the issue. I think if Olaf did melt, the audience would've responded to it with sadness since he was a loveable character. But since the frozen Anna scene was in the movie, that moment had precedence over a side character, and the Olaf scene would've seemed excessive in addition to that sad moment.

It's like how the firefly died in Princess and the Frog, then was "brought back" as a star in the sky.[/BLACKOUT]
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[BLACKOUT]well, I didn't see Princess and the Frog. did any other character in that movie "die" before being brought back to life?

I thought the scene with Olaf and Anna in front of the fire was touching enough and that sufficed for me. It was also touching how Anna, even though she's weak and dying, was still concerned for Olaf and tried to warn him to stay away from the heat.[/BLACKOUT]
 
X Knight said:
sure can. :csad:

[BLACKOUT]And now when I look back on that experience, I often ask myself was it really "love" or was it more being smitten with that person because you're caught up in the moment or whatever and you just develop this emotional attachment. But is it really love?

That's why I'm not sure if Anna really loved Hans, even if she thought she did.[/BLACKOUT]
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Yeah, it could've been infatuation. But I wanted to be certain instead of just guessing. Because with the way it went, we don't really know how Anna truly felt. But from the way it looks, they made it seem like she was in love with him. [/BLACKOUT]It does make for an interesting conversational topic, though.
 
ThePowerCosmic said:
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Yeah, it could've been infatuation. But I wanted to be certain instead of just guessing. Because with the way it went, we don't really know how Anna truly felt. But from the way it looks, they made it seem like she was in love with him. [/BLACKOUT]It does make for an interesting conversational topic, though.
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ah, infatuation. that's the word that I was looking for......lol

yes. it does make for an interesting conversation. And that's what I appreciate about an animated film like this. it's not just "for the kiddies."

there are serious issues and lessons to talk about, and nuances and subtexts to the story and characters.

which calls for.......repeat viewings!! :woot:

and more excuses to look at Elsa!! :hrt: :word: :oldrazz:
 
X Knight said:
[BLACKOUT]well, I didn't see Princess and the Frog. did any other character in that movie "die" before being brought back to life?

I thought the scene with Olaf and Anna in front of the fire was touching enough and that sufficed for me. It was also touching how Anna, even though she's weak and dying, was still concerned for Olaf and tried to warn him to stay away from the heat.[/BLACKOUT]
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Nah, the firefly was the only one. That way it wasn't excessive, like it would've been in Frozen.

X Knight said:
ah, infatuation. that's the word that I was looking for......lol

yes. it does make for an interesting conversation. And that's what I appreciate about an animated film like this. it's not just "for the kiddies."

there are serious issues and lessons to talk about, and nuances and subtexts to the story and characters.

which calls for.......repeat viewings!! :woot:

and more excuses to look at Elsa!! :hrt: :word: :oldrazz:
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I wonder if Elsa's nipples are rock hard 24/7, ya' know, from all of the ice...wait, what? :o

lol, what was your favorite song, scene and character in the movie?
 
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ThePowerCosmic said:
Does anyone else think it was a wasted opportunity when they didn't[BLACKOUT] have Olaf melt all the way into a puddle? I thought it was building up toward that sad moment, but it was just a quick one and done thing the way they did it in the movie.[/BLACKOUT]
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No, would have been needless heartache that would be reversed anyway. At that point, the film's climax hit the perfect note. More would have been overkill.
 
Wow looks like you two are the only ones raving about the awesome film that is Frozen recently. I took my stepdaughter last night and I absolutely loved the film, it was pure Disney at it's finest and probably the best Disney film I've seen since I was a kid. The songs were fantastic and it really felt like a Disney film at heart, the animation was very impressive and I loved all of the characters, especially Olaf which I thought at first I would find annoying.

Oh yeah and I give the film a 9.5/10
 
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Just got back from seeing this.

Wow! Just.......Wow!! This film was PERFECT!! I loved every minute of it. I loved all of the songs. The story was excellent and the characters were relatable and outstanding!

Let It Go was the highlight sequence for me. And that moment when Elsa lets down her hair.........:wow: :hrt::hrt::hrt:

Overall, I give it a 10/10.

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I told you. :word:
 
ThePowerCosmic said:
Nah, the firefly was the only one. That way it wasn't excessive, like it would've been in Frozen.
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ah, I see. and yeah [BLACKOUT]one death/resurrection per movie is sufficient.[/BLACKOUT]



I wonder if Elsa's nipples are rock hard 24/7, ya' know, from all of the ice...wait, what? :o

lol, what was your favorite song, scene and character in the movie?
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well now you're just being naughty.........:o :oldrazz:

As for my favorites:

Favorite Song: Let It Go
Favorite Scene: Let It Go ( I mean. Elsa letting her hair down. HELLO!! :hrt: )
Favorite Character: Elsa

can you sense a theme there?? :oldrazz:

what were your favorites?
 
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