Do any of you belive in history.

[Spider-Fan]

the history i learned has some negative things in it. For instince, our 2nd president, john adams, was a horrible man who created the alien and sedition acts. They didnt *remove* that from history...

But they don't emphasize a lot of these points in most classrooms...your main points of learning are the Civil and Revolutionary Wars, WWII, Vietnam, Civil Rights Movement. Those are the main historical periods focused on, and this leaves things like the A&E Acts not focused on, and forgotten to some extent.

 

[Erzengel]

I am not saying you can't relate, I am saying it is pointless to put yourself in another person's shoes, as you are not them and handle stuff differently. You can relate to the situation, sure, but not to how the person handles things. That is why I hardly personally hardly ever go off on people and give this lecture. Granted, I never got beaten or anything, but I did suffer verbal abuse and pretty much faced being homeless.

I am not going off on you at all. If I was, you'd know. I am simply giving you the otherside.

And perspectively, their problems mean usually jack sh't to people eating grass in some foreign country.

I just found it funny about saying how they became bitter at the tender age of 12.

 

[DV8]

"the victor's of history's wars are the ones who write the history books"
--Philosopher/Stoner, DV8

 

[Spider-Fan]

And perspectively, their problems mean usually jack sh't to people eating grass in some foreign country.

I just found it funny about saying how they became bitter at the tender age of 12.

I'll agree that is a bit odd to get burned out at that point, but it happens to some people. Now for the foreign country people, a lot of out of sight out of mind comes into play here, as most people don't put their problems up against things happening far away from them.

 

[Erzengel]

I'll agree that is a bit odd to get burned out at that point, but it happens to some people. Now for the foreign country people, a lot of out of sight out of mind comes into play here, as most people don't put their problems up against things happening far away from them.

I've been up front about "exceptions" but it's always been a sore spot with me because it's usually a kid who's just ungrateful than one who's had a really hard life.

 

[Mee]

"the victor's of history's wars are the ones who write the history books"
--Philosopher/Stoner, DV8

I already said that.

 

[Killgore]

That's what college is for, to teach you that everything you were taught is false. The Civil War was fought over succession not slavery, people didn't believe that the world was flat in Christopher Columbus' day and his voyage was a missionary one not one to get spices, and a thousand others.

 

[Spider-Fan]

That's what college is for, to teach you that everything you were taught is false. The Civil War was fought over succession not slavery, people didn't believe that the world was flat in Christopher Columbus' day and his voyage was a missionary one not one to get spices, and a thousand others.

Well said. In college, you really start to learn what history is.

 

[PLAS]

and once you finish college, and you really start reading and researching, that's when things get truly insteresting

 

[Apollo]

you know the civil war never really happened.. Lincoln wasn't even a president..world war II was all made up by the jews... jesus was actually a Chinese girl trying to promote ancient asian food recipes, but was somehow turned into what is now called Christianity...

 

[PLAS]

you know the civil war never really happened.. Lincoln wasn't even a president..world war II was all made up by the jews... jesus was actually a Chinese girl trying to promote ancient asian food recipes, but was somehow turned into what is now called Christianity...

and which book, did find all this info?

 

[Leto Atrides]

the history i learned has some negative things in it. For instince, our 2nd president, john adams, was a horrible man who created the alien and sedition acts. They didnt *remove* that from history...

He wasn't a horrible man, he was a founding father. This country wouldn't exist without him (among other people). The Alien and Sedition Acts were on the whole a terrible idea, and his presidency in general was a big botch job. But his efforts to the country in the revolution and its founding were immense.

I think that's part of the problem with the study of history, the average person wants everything to be good or bad. A president has to be an amazing great American hero or an evil terrible person. Wars have to be wondrous crusades or totally crimes against humanity. History is grey and muddy. Reasons for things are never clear or consistent, and interpretation is never solid.

However, if you believe historical events actually didn't happen you're a ****ing idiot. We have historical scholarship and archaeology for a reason. Of course we can know about things that happened thousands of years ago.

people didn't believe that the world was flat in Christopher Columbus' day and his voyage was a missionary one not one to get spices, and a thousand others.

He was doing both, his voyage had a lot of goals. Hell, he was looking around for Atlantis while he was crossing the ocean.

 

[Kelly]

All history books have "screw ups" in them....even though they go through several readings before they are published......for the most part I would say they are accurate, but a spin is put on everything......probably the biggest example of this in the American History books today in the US, would be how Native Americans are portrayed.....the fact that you will never read the words "genocide" and "native americans" in the same sentence in a US History book.......thats one of several examples....

 

[Ice-man]

another thing in history i don't like is how in grade school they try to push the idea that Columbus was the first to find America, than in middle school they changed it to Amerigo Vaspeuchi, than in high school is the damn vikings and Indians.

i mean wtf why tell us 7 different story's... cant they make up their minds?


school history is soo ****ing confusing..

 

[Dark Vigilante]

History is most often thought of in a linear manner. There is a plotted line with a beginning and with no end, and along that line is events listed in order of their occurance. However, it is mroe accurate to think of history as almost spherical. There are literally millions of perspectives to those different historical events, and it is inaccurate to think of it in a linear manner because those events could have been completely different in every way depending on the perspectives of those involved. If one is to think of history in more of an unrestrained and open manner it becomes easier to understand those different perspectives.

That being said, everyone should believe in history. And there is nothing wrong in knowing at least the basics of events. For it is with the careful analysis of yesterday that we can make solutions for the problems of today and prepare for those of tomorrow.

 

[Leto Atrides]

another thing in history i don't like is how in grade school they try to push the idea that Columbus was the first to find America, than in middle school they changed it to Amerigo Vaspeuchi, than in high school is the damn vikings and Indians.

i mean wtf why tell us 7 different story's... cant they make up their minds?


school history is soo ****ing confusing..

It's not like there's a vast conspiracy to trick you, it's just a grade school teacher doesn't necessarily know very much history at all, and there's no straight answer.

The confusion comes in what is important when it comes to "firsts", the first people (Native Americans, at the time Asians), the first Europeans (Vikings), the first modern European (Columbus), or the first European to go to what is now the US (Vespucci).

Ultimately it is Native Americans and Columbus whose explorations actually mattered. And Columbus is the most important European to discover America because it was him coming that started exploration to the New World. Nothing came of the Scandinavians coming, and Vespucci only relevance to history is having things named after him.

 

[Leto Atrides]

History is most often thought of in a linear manner. There is a plotted line with a beginning and with no end, and along that line is events listed in order of their occurance. However, it is mroe accurate to think of history as almost spherical. There are literally millions of perspectives to those different historical events, and it is inaccurate to think of it in a linear manner because those events could have been completely different in every way depending on the perspectives of those involved. If one is to think of history in more of an unrestrained and open manner it becomes easier to understand those different perspectives.

Considering all perspectives is certainly important, but the linearity is still important for looking at cause and effect relationships.

That being said, everyone should believe in history. And there is nothing wrong in knowing at least the basics of events. For it is with the careful analysis of yesterday that we can make solutions for the problems of today and prepare for those of tomorrow.

This is definitely right. An example my archaeology professor gave me was the "Sicilian Expedition" in Classical times. Athens was relatively stable, and the Senate decided to go to war and "liberate" Sicily. They were excited, because they were convinced it would be easy, in and out, greeted as liberators and heroes by the people. Despite some early victories, they became mired in war with locals, and the whole ordeal ended up being a waste of lives and money

 

[AhabTheArab]

this is insane... did i actually read the title of the thread correctly? and did i actually read that someone only believes in 1900's history and not that much of the rest? this is beyond belief.

im curious to hear what exactly you find to be so ridiculous about history?

oh and to answer the question... yes i believe in history.

 

[Kritish]

There's no such thing as infallible literature, but it's pretty stupid how some people out here try to dismiss historical facts.

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

I dont believe that some people dont believe in history.Every country has good and bad things,America had a good President like John F Kennedy..and a bad President like Bush.Its all true,good and bad.

 

[Cyrusbales]

I got a pretty balanced view of history really, fair enough my school was crap, but the books were ok I guess.

Being British we obviously have lots more history than america, so we have to cover so much, so we stick to facts and concisely go over things, with some more details on things like the WW's etc.