Endgame Do they have to die? (Cap, Thor, Iron Man)

[MbJ]

Where was the foreshadowing?

I just said where the foreshadowing was. The Russos explicitly pointing out that the ending scene showed that using all the Stones exacts a physical toll on the person using them. They would not make a point of saying that were it not something that was gonna come up again in the sequel.

Characters like Yondu will die, bigger characters? Not a chance. How many times has War Machine been speculated to die in the next movie and Marvel hasn't pulled the trigger?

The fact that they've never done it before is precisely why it'd have an actual impact if they did it for real here.

 

[Flash525]

With the success of Ragnarok, and with how well Thor was received in Infinity War, that character is the safest of the original team. Stark & Rogers could both die, or they could both retire, or one could die, and the other could retire.

I'm convinced that neither of them will be in the Avengers 5 team though. That'll mostly be a new ensemble. In fact, I'm not personally seeing any of the original seven characters as Avengers come Avengers 5.

Between the two (Stark & Rogers) I think there's a higher chance that Rogers will die, and Stark will retire. Thanos is kinda' the end of Starks' story; that's somewhat been set up since the first Avengers film, and once Stark has Thanos defeated, I think he'll feel that he's kinda' done his part, and if he does become a father, I think he'll want to put more into that, especially when you consider the relationship between him and his Dad. He's going to want to be a better father to his son than his father was to him (in terms of time spent together).

Rogers I figure is the one going to die, simply because I can't see him retiring and living the quiet life; he's a soldier, he always has been, and will always want to be. He'll put his life on the line to protect, and I think that'll be his final act.

I also wouldn't be surprised if Hulk is killed off in Avengers 4 either; my reasoning behind that is for two reasons. Firstly, Disney still haven't got the rights - they're tied up with Universal still, so it's not as if they can write their own script for a Hulk solo, and secondly, with Thor and Captain Marvel in the fold (for Avengers 5 onwards), we don't particularly need three powerhouses.

I figure either they'll kill Hulk (and Banner) off, or they'll somehow end up split with Banner going back to a lab, and Hulk asking to be taken off-world (to maybe be used in a later film down the line if/when convenient).

Clint & Tasha ... well Clint will ultimately go back to his family I think. As for Tasha, if the Black Widow solo is a prequel as speculated, I wouldn't be surprised if they kill her off in Avengers 4. Not really seeing where else they can go with her, especially if all the other (original) characters are replaced.

 

[Iron_Stark]

I just said where the foreshadowing was. The Russos explicitly pointing out that the ending scene showed that using all the Stones exacts a physical toll on the person using them. They would not make a point of saying that were it not something that was gonna come up again in the sequel.



The fact that they've never done it before is precisely why it'd have an actual impact if they did it for real here.

That's still speculation. There was never any foreshadowing in the movie.

But they have, the "deaths" is what everyone is talking about. The fandom knows they're coming back, casuals were left in shock.

Nope, sorry, still not buying into everyone thinking a major character is going to die.

 

[Flash525]

That's still speculation. There was never any foreshadowing in the movie.

But they have, the "deaths" is what everyone is talking about. The fandom knows they're coming back, casuals were left in shock.

Nope, sorry, still not buying into everyone thinking a major character is going to die.

You're going to be surprised (or shocked?) I think!

 

[MbJ]

That's still speculation. There was never any foreshadowing in the movie.

The scene itself was enough. The Gauntlet hurt Thanos and took a toll on him. Now that's been established and will almost certainly play a part in the finale.

Nope, sorry, still not buying into everyone thinking a major character is going to die.

Sorry you don't see the light.

 

[Jake_Snake]

Redditor commander_wong believes that Captain America was killed in the Battle of Wakanda, and then brought back to life by Thanos as he used the Time Stone to recover the Mind Stone from Vision:

Thanos ended his short battle with Cap with a punch to the back of the head. Many wondered how Cap recovered in mere seconds from a punch that even took out the Hulk and the most logical explanation is that he didn’t. As Thanos used the time stone to bring Vision back, the surroundings also reverted: Natasha was no longer trapped under pillars of stone, Bruce was no longer fused to a rock, and Cap showed no signs of injuries from a blow that should’ve easily killed him.

 

[Flash525]

Redditor commander_wong believes that Captain America was killed in the Battle of Wakanda, and then brought back to life by Thanos as he used the Time Stone to recover the Mind Stone from Vision:

Thanos ended his short battle with Cap with a punch to the back of the head. Many wondered how Cap recovered in mere seconds from a punch that even took out the Hulk and the most logical explanation is that he didn’t. As Thanos used the time stone to bring Vision back, the surroundings also reverted: Natasha was no longer trapped under pillars of stone, Bruce was no longer fused to a rock, and Cap showed no signs of injuries from a blow that should’ve easily killed him.

The lengths some people will go to promote their backward speculative rumours. I've heard it all now. Actually, no. I'd heard it all a few weeks ago when I read some rumour that Banner is actually Loki.

 

[Lilbaz]

Is there a scenario by which Captain America, Thor and Iron Man do survive Avengers 4 and simply retire without dying? It does feel cliched to kill off characters to end their arcs. Does a happy ending really not compute with everyone especially supereroes?

Plus now that Galactus can exist in the MCU, it feels wrong to remove the heavy hitters now before giving them a shot at Galactus. Just imagine a scenario by which Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth and RDJ retiring from the MCU with their characters simply retreating to simpler lives (like for example a family for Tony/Pepper and Steve going back in time to the 40's to be with Peggy and Thor going off to rule New Asgard with Valkyrie taking his place among The Avengers).

Then 10-15+ years later, when the nostalgia for the Phase 1 days is strong and after the X-Men, Fantastic Four, and New Avengers etc etc had a few movies under their belt, they bring RDJ, Chris Evans and Chris Hemsworth back to the MCU for one last hurrah against Galactus. That to me is how you sell a MCU Galactus movie to the casual masses especially after seeing how they sold Infinity War as the "be all end all".

Anyone have thoughts on how MCU Galactus can be sold to the masses who could check out of the MCU after Avengers 4? I essentially thought up something akin to how Disney sold The Force Awakens.

They are worth at least $1bn each to disney. Why kill them?

Think they might lead us to believe cap was killed but leave an opening for him to come back. Tony can pop up in future cameos maybe crippled as he was in the comics. Thor could have another film.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I am of the opinion no one HAS to die. I don't think it is cheap if all the major characters live, as the OT for Star Wars and LOTR have none of the main heroes across the saga die. Only supporting ones do. That said, I do think Iron Man will die. I don't think they will recast RDJ, it's the grandest stage to send him off, and it would be a poetic means to move the MCU from the man who started it all to the next generation. I think either Iron Man or Cap CAN die (not both...killing both means 1 of their deaths would be less impactful), but they don't HAVE to die.

 

[COCOS]

there need to be consequences, someone has to pay the price in this franchise
its too easy to go back in time & fix everything...

i except death,real permanent death

its was obvious spiderman ,Black panther & starlord would be back, but learning that Zoe Zaldana will be on GOTG3 make me really angry.....the whole scene with thanos mean nothin,
im sorry but if they all get back , its suck

 

[smallville fan]

They are worth at least $1bn each to disney. Why kill them?

Think they might lead us to believe cap was killed but leave an opening for him to come back. Tony can pop up in future cameos maybe crippled as he was in the comics. Thor could have another film.

All the more reason why they should save them for Galactus.

 

[scarlet-witch]

Tony retiring feels like a guarantee to me. The only one of those I could see dying is Cap, and I really hope we don't lose any of them.

 

[Flash525]

its was obvious spiderman ,Black panther & starlord would be back, but learning that Zoe Zaldana will be on GOTG3 make me really angry.....the whole scene with thanos mean nothin,
im sorry but if they all get back , its suck

Whilst I didn't expect her death to stick, where has it been confirmed that she's due to appear in GotG3? That's if Guardians 3 is even going ahead at the moment..?

 

[MbJ]

there need to be consequences, someone has to pay the price in this franchise
its too easy to go back in time & fix everything...

Yup. The gauntlet will bring most of the people killed in the snap back, but someone is gonna die to do it. Guaranteeing.

 

[Joefixit]

I am of the opinion no one HAS to die. I don't think it is cheap if all the major characters live, as the OT for Star Wars and LOTR have none of the main heroes across the saga die. Only supporting ones do. That said, I do think Iron Man will die. I don't think they will recast RDJ, it's the grandest stage to send him off, and it would be a poetic means to move the MCU from the man who started it all to the next generation. I think either Iron Man or Cap CAN die (not both...killing both means 1 of their deaths would be less impactful), but they don't HAVE to die.

I agree with you, no one has to die. I honestly hope no one will. as I said before. empire didn’t kill the main characters , and all had redemption arks in Jedi. I would hope that is the case here. I think all of that was enough in infinity war. I’m in the minority here. I really can’t see them killing them off. Maybe Stark retires and Steve goes back to his rightful time , but at this point killing them off for Captain Marvel to take over lacks any type of appeal. There is no single figure ( maybe Thor ) that’s as popular as either of those two. It’s hard to call it an Avengers movie without either of those two. That being said, I’ve been wrong before and will be again, so we shall see.

 

[BaronZemo]

I agree with you, no one has to die. I honestly hope no one will. as I said before. empire didn’t kill the main characters , and all had redemption arks in Jedi. I would hope that is the case here. I think all of that was enough in infinity war. I’m in the minority here. I really can’t see them killing them off. Maybe Stark retires and Steve goes back to his rightful time , but at this point killing them off for Captain Marvel to take over lacks any type of appeal. There is no single figure ( maybe Thor ) that’s as popular as either of those two. It’s hard to call it an Avengers movie without either of those two. That being said, I’ve been wrong before and will be again, so we shall see.

The new generation of heroes are as popular as the one before it. This is Marvel's greatest wi. There have been avengers witgout Cap and Im in comics and there will be in movies. So what Marvel isnt supposed to make another Avengers movie without Cap or IM? Thats ridiculous.

 

[warhorse78]

Nobody has to die, but Marvel is going to do something to try and bring this phase to a bittersweet ending. I feel Thor is going to live and still be a major player in future MCU films. It would be stupid on Marvel's part to not take advantage of the fact that the character is immortal and that Chris Hemsworth is in his prime and loves playing the role and has already stated he is willing to work out anything with Marvel to keep it going.

I also feel like Tony will not die. He's going to pass on the torch to another character, but Tony will live, marry Pepper and settle down, and still continue to be a mentor to Peter.

Captain America/Steve Rogers is the one I have no idea what will happen. I just feel like his story is nearly complete, and that there is not much else he can do that someone else can't do better. But, he is such an amazing character and Chris Evans has done wonders for the character that I can't see Marvel just out right killing him off. What I feel what will happen is that he will sacrifice his soul to save all the others who were trapped by the soul stone, and he will be the keeper of the stone pretty much like Red Skull was. The question is, will he be stuck in that hell, or will he learn how to master the stone and carry it around like Doctor Strange can with the time stone.

 

[Confusion]

I think it's going to be Cap that gets the permanent death.
Tony already "sacrificed" himself in the 1st Avengers. He & Rogers had the mindset that going into the worm hole was a one way ticket.
Tony also had the moment in IW that for a split second, everyone thought he was going to die.
Cap hasn't had those types of moments yet in any Avengers movie. He would be the 1st person to volunteer to sacrifice his life to save the world, he just hasn't gotten that opportunity yet. (His 1st Solo movie doesn't count in my opinion.)
He will get that opportunity in A4 & he will take it without hesitation.
Tony has never been serious about retirement in the past, he only has done it for others, not because he wanted to. After everything in IW, & if the rumors of him having a kid in A4 are going to happen, then I see him retiring for real this time because he finally is DONE risking his life. Like someone said above, Thanos is his story arc. So ending the thanos threat will bring that to a close.
I can for sure see him being a mentor in future films, providing the tech for everyone like he does now. But he will be done fighting.
Also, RDJ loves the character, loves the fans, so I can see him being fine with being in cameos till he is old & grey. It would be REALLY dumb for them to kill him off. I 100% don't believe they will.

I'm am curious though if they take a bit from the comics with Nebula still being alive. I think it would be dumb to have a human use the Gauntlet with all the stones. Even once. Even a little bit.
It would take away from the fact of how powerful all 6 stones are and WHAT they are & how powerful Thanos truly is.
But like in the comics, Nebula can use the gauntlet, not for very long though. But enough to do something meaningful. I can see her dying in A4 as well as Cap. Unless they plan on expanding her story with Gamora in the next Guardians movie.
I am probably in the minority, but I REALLY REALLY hope they don't kill off Thanos. I hope that is one villain they just de-power, & let him go live on his farm lol. He really is my favorite.
I know they will kill him off & that is one part of the movie that I am NOT looking forward to. At all. Nothing can convince me otherwise. THANOS DID NOTHING WRONG.
He was my favorite in IW.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I think it's going to be Cap that gets the permanent death.
Tony already "sacrificed" himself in the 1st Avengers. He & Rogers had the mindset that going into the worm hole was a one way ticket.
Tony also had the moment in IW that for a split second, everyone thought he was going to die.
Cap hasn't had those types of moments yet in any Avengers movie. He would be the 1st person to volunteer to sacrifice his life to save the world, he just hasn't gotten that opportunity yet. (His 1st Solo movie doesn't count in my opinion.)
He will get that opportunity in A4 & he will take it without hesitation.
Tony has never been serious about retirement in the past, he only has done it for others, not because he wanted to. After everything in IW, & if the rumors of him having a kid in A4 are going to happen, then I see him retiring for real this time because he finally is DONE risking his life. Like someone said above, Thanos is his story arc. So ending the thanos threat will bring that to a close.
I can for sure see him being a mentor in future films, providing the tech for everyone like he does now. But he will be done fighting.
Also, RDJ loves the character, loves the fans, so I can see him being fine with being in cameos till he is old & grey. It would be REALLY dumb for them to kill him off. I 100% don't believe they will.

I'm am curious though if they take a bit from the comics with Nebula still being alive. I think it would be dumb to have a human use the Gauntlet with all the stones. Even once. Even a little bit.
It would take away from the fact of how powerful all 6 stones are and WHAT they are & how powerful Thanos truly is.
But like in the comics, Nebula can use the gauntlet, not for very long though. But enough to do something meaningful. I can see her dying in A4 as well as Cap. Unless they plan on expanding her story with Gamora in the next Guardians movie.
I am probably in the minority, but I REALLY REALLY hope they don't kill off Thanos. I hope that is one villain they just de-power, & let him go live on his farm lol. He really is my favorite.
I know they will kill him off & that is one part of the movie that I am NOT looking forward to. At all. Nothing can convince me otherwise. THANOS DID NOTHING WRONG.
He was my favorite in IW.

Maybe not in an Avengers movie, but how do you think he ended up in present day, LOL! Cap's had that moment already,

 

[Confusion]

Maybe not in an Avengers movie, but how do you think he ended up in present day, LOL! Cap's had that moment already,

Ugh...So you missed the part where I said I didn't count his solo movie?
That doesn't count in my opinion because that is his origin film. If those films were counted then everyone pretty much has sacrificed their lives one way or another. I was talking about Avenger movies/team-up movies. I thought that was pretty obvious even without having said it.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Ugh...So you missed the part where I said I didn't count his solo movie?
That doesn't count in my opinion because that is his origin film. If those films were counted then everyone pretty much has sacrificed their lives one way or another. I was talking about Avenger movies/team-up movies. I thought that was pretty obvious even without having said it.

Regardless if it is a solo or not, it's a plot point that has been done. I don't think Cap dying is a logical end point of his character. Dying is easy, living is more challenging. If Cap sacrifices himself, he's not doing or showing us anything about him we don't already know. He is the guy who will do that. For me it's too predictable. I'd rather they be more creative. At least with Stark, there is the poetry that the MCU as we know it started with him, so him dying signals an end to that. Cap's death doesn't have that same poetry.

 

[SKSpawn]

I was pretty convinced that one of them, particularly Cap would die.

I find it too much of a coincidence that all of the original six Avengers survived the snap. I was imagining each of them would hold or harness an Infinity Stone in the next film and Cap would pull an Armageddon on Tony to set things right, where he throws Tony to safety and sacrifices himself. Then Tony would be humbled a bit and lose some of his pain-in-the-ass qualities when he crops up in future movies.

Now, though, the more I think about it, I think we might be more likely to see an emotional retirement. I'm not really convinced that Bucky or Sam are being set up to replace Cap; maybe Bucky does it for one movie but I think he's more likely to adopt the White Wolf moniker.

I also feel like Thor is kind of done; wjlhat else is there him now? I reckon we should see him setting up a New Asgard as a weary king by the end of the film and then do something really crazy in the next Thor movie, lile Stormbreaker falls into Beta Ray Bill's hands and we get a mental cosmic adventure involving Bill tracking down the missing King Thor.

I see Tony and maybe Banner cameoing here and there while Captain Marvel leads the New Avengers, but I doubt we'll see much more of the Hulk going forward. That is until Galactus arrives as the big massive threat of Phase Four to bring all the original Avengers out of retirement for a big group shot/fight scene.

 

[Solaire]

Hopefully nobody dies. I wanna see Iron Man interact with Reed Richards and the FF, Cap interact with the X-Men and Thor continue to grow. Fans these days just seem bloodthirsty, where they want their favorite characters to die for some reason.

 

[Chris B]

I think it's going to be Cap that gets the permanent death.
Tony already "sacrificed" himself in the 1st Avengers. He & Rogers had the mindset that going into the worm hole was a one way ticket.
Tony also had the moment in IW that for a split second, everyone thought he was going to die.
Cap hasn't had those types of moments yet in any Avengers movie. He would be the 1st person to volunteer to sacrifice his life to save the world, he just hasn't gotten that opportunity yet. (His 1st Solo movie doesn't count in my opinion.)
He will get that opportunity in A4 & he will take it without hesitation.
Tony has never been serious about retirement in the past, he only has done it for others, not because he wanted to. After everything in IW, & if the rumors of him having a kid in A4 are going to happen, then I see him retiring for real this time because he finally is DONE risking his life. Like someone said above, Thanos is his story arc. So ending the thanos threat will bring that to a close.
I can for sure see him being a mentor in future films, providing the tech for everyone like he does now. But he will be done fighting.
Also, RDJ loves the character, loves the fans, so I can see him being fine with being in cameos till he is old & grey. It would be REALLY dumb for them to kill him off. I 100% don't believe they will.

I'm also in the camp that Cap will be the one that bites the death and this line of reasoning is pretty similar to mine as well. Honestly, I think Iron Man dying is so expected at this point that it actually happening wouldn't really leave that big of an impact on anyone. I would imagine that Marvel probably realizes that hence that moment in IW when Thanos stabs him on Titan.

With Captain America, they've really reinforced the idea that he isn't someone that can settle down and live a normal life at this point so I have a hard time seeing him just retiring and riding off into the sunset. And since Marvel isn't going to be in any rush to recast and Evans seems ready to move on, I think that make him harder to write him out of the story as it would beg the question of why he doesn't get involved in any future stories like Secret Invasion or whatever they have planned next.

 

[FlareKnight]

My gut feeling is Cap dying and Iron Man retiring, although I want them both to keep being in these movies forever darn it! Could easily have Cap make a sacrifice at some point and for that reason Tony retiring for good this time. Maybe Pepper really is pregnant and didn't know it at the time. He retires, they get married, and the kid is a boy they name Steve.

Honestly I don't want either to go since I love having these characters around. But, it's been a great ride and letting someone go down in heroic fashion can leave a lasting mark. Can always come up with something (time travel, alternate dimensions, etc) to bring back a character if desperately needed. I do think Cap is the one most likely to be unable to bring himself to retire. If Iron Man died I think Steve would fight on even harder. While if Cap had to be sacrificed to win I think Tony would be weighed down by guilt and decide to live the life Steve can't. Heck could make it that Iron Man has to be the one using the stones and the toll that takes along with the potential Captain America sacrifice forces him to retire 'permanently'.

Plus they did have the death fakeout on Titan. I don't think it works as well to have that dramatic death the very next movie. But again I'd like both to be 'retired' if the actors want a break. But I think one will die and one will retire.