Sequels Do we really have that many villains left?

[Spade]

Many do, but I don't see how he could do more than orchestrate events. If you want someone like that, Doctor Octopus or the Vulture would accomplish this with far more visual appeal.

 

[Arcturus]

Many do, but I don't see how he could do more than orchestrate events. If you want someone like that, Doctor Octopus or the Vulture would accomplish this with far more visual appeal.

Agreed.

 

[DACrowe]

But at the end of SM2, Ock has no reason to torture Parker. I could see him reverting to insanity and pursuing some vested interest but Spidey is just a variable of intrusion in Ock's formula that must be dealt with if it comes up.

 

[Arcturus]

Honestly, I don't think we should have returning villains, at least not yet. SM-4 should have Doctor Connors turn into the Lizard. A second villain is optional, of course.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

How about Chameleon, does anyone want to see this villain?

He's cool, but I don't think he would work in a Spider-Man film. Compare him to Villians like Green Goblin, Doc Ock, sandman, Venom, he just wouldn't fit in. If Spidey punches him once, then he's done for. We need Villians that have alot of depth and can get in big battle's with Spidey.

 

[flamethrower]

lololololololol wow

Hmm what first, well for one Brock is dead. You want to know why no body was found? Cuz he got vaporized. Usually they dont take in piles of dust.
Second Venom a 5 act story? Yea...no more like 3 act, and we already got that story structure in SM3 (whether it was good or not is a different story).

Not Vaporised, He after all has all of Spidey's abilities ok. Could have jumped at the last second. And IF so then We have no Carnage to deal with. And Spidey has never been able to deal with Carnage by himself. Who would help with this problem? That is the Question. And Yes the Venom Story is a 5 act story. the Venom Symbiote has to give birth to the Carnage symbiote. And I will Concede that Brock is Dead. But the Venom Symbiote is not dead. It has to team with the Carnage Symbiote for a while. Then Get angry at him, and switch sides. You name who the Venom symbiote merges with.

 

[Eelectro 2]

there's plenty of characters left for the movies to utilize to their fullest. ock and goblin are only looked upon as the best because they've been around for so long and are pretty original. but theres plenty of other villains to make good villains in the movies to come
the way i see it in part 4 we should see shcoker kraven and the lizard. part 5 and 6 should be shot back to back in a few years with the sinister six being scorpion, mysterio, chameleon, vulture, electro and rhino. all of these characters i just listed have very big potential for a movie. obviously rhino or chameleon couldn't hold a movie all on their own but used the right way and for the right amount of time they could be golden

 

[Giant-Man]

there's plenty of characters left for the movies to utilize to their fullest. ock and goblin are only looked upon as the best because they've been around for so long and are pretty original. but theres plenty of other villains to make good villains in the movies to come
the way i see it in part 4 we should see shcoker kraven and the lizard. part 5 and 6 should be shot back to back in a few years with the sinister six being scorpion, mysterio, chameleon, vulture, electro and rhino. all of these characters i just listed have very big potential for a movie. obviously rhino or chameleon couldn't hold a movie all on their own but used the right way and for the right amount of time they could be golden

I agree, any of those idea's would work out well

 

[Arcturus]

Well there are alot of villains left in the rogue gallerys, still, we've barley scraped the iceberg. Goblin legacy is done, Doc Ock, Sandman, The alien symbiote saga. We've still got the Lizard, personally i'm hoping for Electro to be in SM-4 but thats only hoping. I truly can't wait to see what SM-4 holds.

 

[flamethrower]

there's plenty of characters left for the movies to utilize to their fullest. ock and goblin are only looked upon as the best because they've been around for so long and are pretty original. but theres plenty of other villains to make good villains in the movies to come
the way i see it in part 4 we should see shcoker kraven and the lizard. part 5 and 6 should be shot back to back in a few years with the sinister six being scorpion, mysterio, chameleon, vulture, electro and rhino. all of these characters i just listed have very big potential for a movie. obviously rhino or chameleon couldn't hold a movie all on their own but used the right way and for the right amount of time they could be golden

Interesting idea. But You forgot Carnage ok. That is what I want for the 6th and probably final movie. Finish it then. But I like the Sinister 6 for the 5th movie. Now that would rule.

 

[Vaportrail]

Not Vaporised, He after all has all of Spidey's abilities ok. Could have jumped at the last second.

Heh, not if you watch the explosion frame-by-frame. I'm pretty sure Raimi wanted to establish that he was dead. I noticed this in the theaters, but haven't grabbed a still of it yet.
But trust me, go frame-by-frame through the explosion. You'll see why Brock ain't coming back.
Anyone have a screenshot? Know what I'm talking about?

I really think that Carnage should be in this Venom film. It'd allow for something truly dark without interrupting the flow/style of the current Spidey series.

EDIT: Alright, I just typed this out and lost it. I'll try again. Here's what my overall plot plan for the remaining trilogy would be. I think it works, too.

SM4 - Lizard + 1 villain. Prolly Kraven. Introduce Felicia Hardy, friend to Gwen Stacy. Death of Captain Stacy, during a fight between Spider-Man & the Lizard. This could be why Kraven comes to town, even.
SM5 - Sinister 6. Gwen has met Prof. Miles Warren, who has fallen for her. One of them initiates the death of Gwen Stacy event. Exactly the same as MJ on the bridge, but Spidey fails this time. (I think it still works in reverse.) Felicia takes it to heart, assumes the Black Cat mantle (prolly something similar to Elektra in Daredevil.) She's already a fighter/criminal, takes it to the streets after her friend is killed. Helps Spidey with the S6, not sure what happens to her. A crowded movie to be sure, but I think that's part of the idea. Spidey's gonna be exhausted. Similar to Batman just before Bane "broke" him, y'know?
SM6 - Warren clones Gwen, accidently clones Peter. Perhaps a hair mix-up.Anyway, he finds out about Peter's powers this way, becomes obsessed with perfecting his cloning technique through him, assumes the mantle of the Jackal. Peter has to take him down, fighting hundreds of Spider-Man clones, possibly teaming up with Scarlet Spider & Kaine. (I love that issue.)

It's the perfect conclusion, if you think about it. Not only does the trilogy escalate beyond what we've seen so far, but the ending would be great. After all of Peter's "who am I?" talk, identity crises of him and most of his villains, having an all-out battle between him against and alongside different versions of himself would wrap things up nicely.

Man, I want this to happen.

-Vaportrail

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Well there are alot of villains left in the rogue gallerys, still, we've barley scraped the iceberg. Goblin legacy is done, Doc Ock, Sandman, The alien symbiote saga. We've still got the Lizard, personally i'm hoping for Electro to be in SM-4 but thats only hoping. I truly can't wait to see what SM-4 holds.

I would rather have Electro in Spidey5. I wonder if he would have a costume or dress normally.

 

[Blader5489]

It's the perfect conclusion, if you think about it.

It really isn't, if you think about it.

 

[lordofthenerds]

I would rather have Electro in Spidey5. I wonder if he would have a costume or dress normally.

You would actually expect them to dress a villain in street clothes throughout the entire movie?

 

[Vaportrail]

It really isn't, if you think about it.

Eh, makes sense to me. You wanna provide a reason why that doesn't work?

Don't make me pull out the "I'm two weeks away from having a degree in film, with a minor in writing" card out. That one's painfully large, what with the frame I'll be getting. (Little excited about it, sorry.) =P
I still think it works. The "Who am I?" theme in Spider-Man is just as relevant and prominent in the series as Batman Return's theme of duality, Daredevil's "I'm not the bad guy", and... the other movie themes I'd think of if I'd watched them more recently.
If you can think about it without taking the Neo vs. Smiths fight into the equation, not to mention how ridiculous most of the Clone Saga was, it really would work.

Electro would be part of the whole S6 storyline, by the way. At least, if I were in charge.
On that note:

You would actually expect them to dress a villain in street clothes throughout the entire movie?

I could prolly think of a few examples where this works, but I'm not sure you're going to like them:
Daredevil: Bullseye, Kingpin
Spider-Man 2: Doc Ock
Superman Returns(plus the older films): Lex Luthor
Hulk: Dr. Banner. The dad, until the final fight. He's not really human then though, so I'm not sure it counts. Hulk too, really. Hulk too, really. They're just ripped.

Anyway. Obviously they'd be 'tailored' to suit the character, but as is Electro's too much of an egomaniac to not create some sort of suit. All these villains had elements about them that made their costumes unique. Doc Ock had the arms, obviously. He didn't wear the traditional green and orange spandex, though. Bullseye just walked around like everyone was supposed to know who he was. His job was his life. Luthor and the Kingpin were just rich guys who dressed to match. Everything was true to character within range of the realistic. For Electro, I'm imagining the green and yellow theme, but without the mask. Maybe a leather outfit, maybe something that's a little more conductive. I don't know fabrics. For his face, it'd most likely be just some wild hair, and if the mask is needed it'd prolly be more like something you can buy. His comic-version mask just would not work, lol. Even later in the Spider-Man comics he doesn't wear it after a while.

-Vaportrail

 

[Blader5489]

Eh, makes sense to me. You wanna provide a reason why that doesn't work?

Well to start, there's no actual Spider-Man to your ideas; no journey for Peter Parker to go through and grow from. It's just villains after villains without any kind of cohesive story or theme.

Now, let's put aside the fact that the Clone Saga, Sinister Six, and Black Cat are too absurd for these films. Let's pretend those concepts can work. First of all, you do not elaborate at all on the Sinister Six--who are they? where did they come from? what are they fighting for? how are they at all relevant to the plot?, and etc.

Secondly, Black Cat is largely useless in your ideas; she's relegated to being just a sidekick (and it doesn't help that you're using Elektra to justify your idea).

Third, I've said it before and I'll say it again: the death of Gwen Stacy simply can't work on film. Never mind the fact that you can't faithfully recreate it without seeming creatively bankrupt, the whole shock to Gwen's death would be completely lost on audiences.

And finally...clones? Talk about jumping the shark. And it doesn't help that you want to adapt Maximum Clonage, the WORST story in the Clone Saga, as the final Spider-Man film. Nothing about that story or your idea for the story says "conclusion" to me.

But as I said at the beginning, the worst part of your ideas is that there is no Peter/Spider-Man element to it. No MJ, no Gwen (outside of dying), no Aunt May, no Peter struggling with his life, and no central theme to any of it. To be honest, your ideas sound better suited for a cartoon than a movie.

 

[Vaportrail]

It's not like I have a completed screenplay here, ready and waiting to go.

For that post, I am mostly fixated on solving the villain issue. The Sinister Six can vary, but I was imagining at least having Electro, Vulture, Scorpion and/or a number of the villains I didn't feel would hold up on their own. The Stacy thing is what leads into the Black Cat and "Maximum Clonage", though really it's only elements of that which I wanted to borrow. It could happen very differently, but that's just me trying to keep in touch with what they've already started.
(If they create Spidercide in the movie, I'd cross that fence fairly quickly.) Remember too that Gwen and MJ were good friends in the comics. That could fall into place too, assuming Peter straightens everything out. He'd have to, regardless. (Gwen prolly has to understand on some level that Peter wasn't himself. Mostly from the broken heart standpoint, though.)

The filmmakers have Connors, Gwen and now Captain Stacy. That could've been any police captain in the scene, Gwen's role could've been fulfilled by Betty even. (At times, I really wish it had been. Man, did she deserve more screentime.) It seems to me like they're going to do something with these people. I wouldn't have wasted a keystroke in creating them, otherwise. Cameos are one thing, but it just feels too deliberate. Too well-placed.

As for absurdity, the Black Cat seems rather tame to me. No pun intended. I mean, we've had Spider-Man, but a guy in a plastic green suit flying on a big wing, a sunglasses-wearing physicist with four tubes for arms, a dude made of sand, black goo, and a snowboarder from Hell.
The white-haired acrobat in spandex is starting to look pretty good from where I'm standing. After the Lizard, the Jackal isn't too far a stretch either. Most (I stress this word) of the Spider-Man tech seems to be what we might be able to achieve a few years down the line. It's not entirely far-fetched. Given our recent studies into cloning, that one probably isn't too out there either. I totally can picture this working, and working well. It could easily go wrong, but so could every other concept that I've seen listed here. A lot of them even moreso.
(Sorry lads, I just hate Mysterio.)

Anyway.
That's the basics for the idea that just kind of hit me over Thanksgiving break. It feels like a 3-act bit for me. I can't do it now, since I should be working on a paper, but if anyone here would care enough to read it, I could prolly do a structured outline for what would are involved in each film.
Themes, plot points, w/e. Screenplay? Probably not so much.

It feels like kind of a waste since there's no way this would get sent out to the actual production heads, but it might be kind of fun. If I wrote this story out with the knowledge there's no way (presently) I could see it made... that'd just break my little celluloid heart. Maybe.

This would make a bad*** animated film, too. Not cartoony, but Final Flight of the Osiris or Beowulf style. I'd totally watch that.

-Vaportrail

 

[Blader5489]

It's not like I have a completed screenplay here, ready and waiting to go.

I didn't ask for a screenplay, I was just pointing out that your ideas are all villain-centric. Again, that seems more appropriate for a cartoon than a movie.

For that post, I am mostly fixated on solving the villain issue.

That's the wrong way to start. The thought process for a Spider-Man movie should always begin with Peter and Spider-Man, not the villains. I find that once you figure out where to take Peter in terms of a journey, the rest (including who the villains are) falls into place.

They have Connors, Gwen and now Captain Stacy. That could've been any police captain in the scene, Gwen's role could've been fulfilled by Betty even. (At times, I really wish it had been. Man, did she deserve more screentime.) It seems to me like they're going to do something with these people. I wouldn't have wasted a keystroke in creating them, otherwise. Cameos are one thing, but it just feels too deliberate. Too well-placed.

I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

 

[Vaportrail]

Yeah, I'm trying to get too many ideas out at once.
Anyway. I was trying to say that they're going to use Connors and the Stacys in the future films. At least, that's what it seems like. To set them up like that allows for more of a connection later.
It's why we're all expecting the Lizard soon, and why I'm expecting they'll at least do one of the Stacy stories.

Last blurb, then I really have to do some hw, heh.
Peter's story wouldn't be forgotten, but the way I see it is that for at least SM5, it'd become more villain-centric. It'd have to be for that film. It'd be way too busy. MJ would be concerned, perhaps she could be working fulltime on that soap opera she lands (originally during the GG2 phase).
In SM4, I'm expecting a proper proposal and a "yes". Having the marriage here would be fitting, but delaying it until the S6 crisis would REALLY raise the stakes there.
SM6 would see a happily married Peter and MJ (pregnant?). The finale would be the "Maximum Clonage" bit, in part, but I would imagine something similar to the "Mark of Kaine" for most of it. There's elements in several of the storylines I'd have to work out. There was also an issue, remains one of if not the favorite in my collection, where Scarlet-clad Peter finds a clone Warren and Gwen in hiding. That'd prolly be the REAL Warren in the movie... blah.

Yeah. I'm too busy with my school essay right now. I'm rushing it. I'll try and do an outline of what I'm really talking about and get it on here later. Gotta go do this.

-Vaportrail

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

You would actually expect them to dress a villain in street clothes throughout the entire movie?

No, but some people on here used to say that it would be cool if Electro just dressed in street clothes. Personally, I think he will have a costume.

 

[Blader5489]

Peter's story wouldn't be forgotten, but the way I see it is that for at least SM5, it'd become more villain-centric. It'd have to be for that film. It'd be way too busy. MJ would be concerned, perhaps she could be working fulltime on that soap opera she lands (originally during the GG2 phase).

That's the absolute wrong way to do it. If you shift the movie's titular character to the sidelines, then you need to start from scratch.

And again, there's no cohesive theme to your film ideas--it's just a whole lot of "big things happen and Spider-Man fights bad guys."

 

[Vaportrail]

It makes sense in my head, I'm not conveying it very well.
Meh.

It's like drawing, and that perfect image you come up with, but you just can't figure out how to line it up from that perspective.

-Vaportrail

 

[Giant-Man]

Scorpion would be awesome on screen

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Scorpion would be awesome on screen

Yeah, just imagine the big battles he would have with Spidey on rooftops and on the street.

 

[POWdER-man]

Scorpion, Electro, hobgoblin and Lizard are all good villains left to use. Plus Shocker, Vulture, Carnage, and Chameleon are also good supporting villains....