Do you agree with Marvel firing James Gunn?

[a user]

Yes or no?

 

[Detective Conan]

Correction: Disney fired James Gunn, not Marvel. This was a decision made by the higher-ups at Disney. I'd imagine Feige isn't too thrilled by this abrupt decision but hopefully he can understand and find a replacement. Feige likely had no say in the decision to terminate Gunn from his contract with the company.

To answer the thread question: I believe it was the right decision in the long-run because Gunn just would've become a liability especially in the Met Too era where these type of tweets are subject to much greater scrutiny than they were when Gunn first wrote them. Do I believe that Disney may have overreacted in firing Gunn instead of just having him issue an apology?(again): Not really, since Disney is a brand and sometimes you have to make dramatic examples in order to send home the message that such inappropriate comments(even if they were jokes) are going to be taken with the utmost seriousness and repercussions will indeed happen. You have to protect your brand at all costs.

 

[Teelie]

Agreeing with it and understanding it are two different things. I don't agree with it but I do understand it.

 

[Detective Conan]

It's rather germane to point out that this isn't the first time this has come to light about Gunn since these tweets were unearthed years ago, and Gunn did apologize back then. Of course, that still doesn't excuse what Gunn wrote; just saying that this is something that once again resurfaced in the Post-Weintsein era is all.

 

[Smurphftw]

Agreeing with it and understanding it are two different things. I don't agree with it but I do understand it.

This is how I feel as well.

 

[Raiden]

If Iger and Horn didn't fire Gunn, with just days away from the shareholders' meeting to vote for the purchase of Fox, this news would have dominated the headline news. It's too big a deal to ignore and it will hurt Disney during this very turbulent time. At least the movie isn't filming yet and it might salvage GOTG Vol. 3.

 

[Yowza]

It's odd that some reports are saying this same stuff was unearthed back in 2012 but then link to an article containing the actual apology and can see it was on a separate comment he made on his website that isn't part of the tweets unearthed this past week. The more recent tweets do cross the line further and are harder to dismiss.

Of course if Disney tries to make this distinction people will be all over them saying the thing from 2012 was ok (many due to fact that aren't ok with his firing but I digress).

 

[m2k]

I'm old school. Unless a person has done something that's in direct violation of the law or the laws of his workplace, he shouldn't have to lose his job. However a person chooses to represent or express himself outside of the workplace is his/her business. So no. He shouldn't have been fired for whatever he posted on Twitter, at midnight, in his pajamas eating a salami sandwich.

What if nobody was logged on and ever saw his tweets and he did actually erase all his old ones? Does that mean he gets to keep his job and is free of any such crimes?
The answer is no... No crime was ever involved in what he did.

 

[Dark Raven]

Although Marvel weren't involved, I wonder if Disney did talk to Fiege about it just to give him the heads up. And perhaps Fiege agreed that this was the only choice in this situation, even though he didn't like it.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Although Marvel weren't involved, I wonder if Disney did talk to Fiege about it just to give him the heads up. And perhaps Fiege agreed that this was the only choice in this situation, even though he didn't like it.

Ahhh.... yeah. My assumption is Disney execs made the decision without a real conversation with Feige. They probably gave him a heads up though.

 

[Dark Raven]

Ahhh.... yeah. My assumption is Disney execs made the decision without a real conversation with Feige. They probably gave him a heads up though.

Well I can't imagine they wouldn't have.

Imagine Feige showing up for work at the office and saying "alright, let's make some progress on GOTG3 today", and being told that James Gunn had been fired.

I think they would've probably either phoned up Feige, or called him in to see Alan Horn and gave him the news personally.

 

[Detective Conan]

Although Marvel weren't involved, I wonder if Disney did talk to Fiege about it just to give him the heads up. And perhaps Fiege agreed that this was the only choice in this situation, even though he didn't like it.

I'd imagine it was a split-second decision to fire him. Heck it all happened so fast that I wouldn't even be surprised if Feige first found out about it on the news like we all did.

Unless, they decide to go with Gunn's script and find a director who's willing to play ball(i.e. Peyton Reed after Wright left Ant-Man) then it's almost a certainty that the movie will be delayed. Personally, I see an opportunity to replace Guardians Vol. 3 with a possible MCU FF film but part of me is skeptical that Marvel will rush out the film in that short of a time span and Guardians has already proved to be a successful juggernaut while the FF(even with the MCU) is still a tough sell after the previous failures. My fear is that should Marvel replace Vol. 3 with Fantastic Four then Marvel might make the mistake of making a wannabe Guardians film with FF clothing on it. I really don't want a Guardians style Fantastic Four film. I want a real Fantastic Four film that stays true to the spirit of the comics.

 

[batman1]

He had to be fired. Those jokes went wayyyyy too far.

 

[Dark Raven]

I'd imagine it was a split-second decision to fire him. Heck it all happened so fast that I wouldn't even be surprised if Feige first found out about it on the news like we all did.

Unless, they decide to go with Gunn's script and find a director who's willing to play ball(i.e. Peyton Reed after Wright left Ant-Man) then it's almost a certainty that the movie will be delayed. Personally, I see an opportunity to replace Guardians Vol. 3 with a possible MCU FF film but part of me is skeptical that Marvel will rush out the film in that short of a time span and Guardians has already proved to a successful juggernaut while the FF(even with the MCU) is still a tough sell after the previous failures. My fear is that should Marvel replace Vol. 3 with Fantastic Four then Marvel would might make the mistake of making a wannabe Guardians film with FF clothing on it. I really don't want a Guardians style Fantastic Four film. I want a real Fantastic Four film that stays true to the spirit of the comics.

They can always put Dr Strange in there now. There wasn't really a slot for him before, and it's time he's due a new film. Or Black Panther 2 maybe?

I don't think a delay of GOTG3 is a bad thing necessarily.

With FF, I think they should start introducing them in another film. But since GOTG3 frees up a potential slot, that means that if they put something else in there, then it will allow for FF sooner than later rather than being pushed back to accommodate all these other sequels.

 

[Lilbaz]

They had to. They are a company based on family friendly films. Gunns comments even though made long ago could damage the brand. If he wasn't fired there would be massive debates, complaints and possibly protests. Disney doesn't want that attention.

Gunn shouldn't have made those comments in the first place, but he did. He should then have deleted them but he didn't. Silly boy.

 

[Krystal]

What about "morals" clauses in contracts? Are they a thing? What if you agree by contract to represent the company in certain way or the contract is void?


He was probably due millions to direct the movie. If he was unlawfully fired his lawyer could say he is still due the money. I'm betting he did have a clause that he could be fired if his conduct hurt the company. I'm guessing the jury sitting their listening and reading all those "jokes" would side with Disney and he sure as shoot won't contest it.


"Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury -- exhibit 341 plaintiff types &^%$^(*&#@!! ^%*(^&%#^*"


Who needs that kind of pillory?

 

[DalekbusterFitz]

Definitely not. Those tweets were made nine years ago, and people can change in that period of time. Nobody should be fired from any job for tweets they made after a long period of time.

Employers need to realise that tweeters' social media personalities are different to their real life personalities. Things you say on Twitter you wouldn't necessarily say in real life.

 

[DalekbusterFitz]

If Iger and Horn didn't fire Gunn, with just days away from the shareholders' meeting to vote for the purchase of Fox, this news would have dominated the headline news. It's too big a deal to ignore and it will hurt Disney during this very turbulent time. At least the movie isn't filming yet and it might salvage GOTG Vol. 3.

It didn't need to be 'salvaged' from anything. People would have still gone to see Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3 with James Gunn still directing, because A: It's a part of the MCU, B: The Guardians films are hugely popular and C: Chris Pratt is massive at the moment.

You can always bank on that kind of popularity.

 

[DalekbusterFitz]

I'd imagine it was a split-second decision to fire him. Heck it all happened so fast that I wouldn't even be surprised if Feige first found out about it on the news like we all did.

Unless, they decide to go with Gunn's script and find a director who's willing to play ball(i.e. Peyton Reed after Wright left Ant-Man) then it's almost a certainty that the movie will be delayed. Personally, I see an opportunity to replace Guardians Vol. 3 with a possible MCU FF film but part of me is skeptical that Marvel will rush out the film in that short of a time span and Guardians has already proved to a successful juggernaut while the FF(even with the MCU) is still a tough sell after the previous failures. My fear is that should Marvel replace Vol. 3 with Fantastic Four then Marvel would might make the mistake of making a wannabe Guardians film with FF clothing on it. I really don't want a Guardians style Fantastic Four film. I want a real Fantastic Four film that stays true to the spirit of the comics.

I disagree. The Guardians films are the perfect tone for Fantastic Four. Guardians of the Galaxy is a domestic comedy where the domestic is in space. Fantastic Four is a domestic comedy where often times they go into space/the negative zone.

 

[DalekbusterFitz]

Gunn shouldn't have made those comments in the first place, but he did. He should then have deleted them but he didn't. Silly boy.

He did delete them, but a ******** idiot had screenshotted them and brought them back up.

 

[Dark Raven]

He did delete them, but a ******** idiot had screenshotted them and brought them back up.

When did he delete them though? Just recently along with the 1000+ tweets he got rid of? Or years ago before he started working on GOTG (or after its success at least)?

The moment he was in the public eye in any capacity, he should've deleted them.

 

[Krystal]

Sorry to point out the fact that Twitter is real life. Stuff you do behind closed doors with friends or family is your private life. Stuff you share with the world on social media is your public face. The fact that people don't get this is amazing.

He was so obsessed with that stuff he felt the need to share it with the world. Just like racists who think it's a good idea to share stupid stuff -- because they don't get how offensive it actually is. You can't do something in public on purpose and then say that's not me -- that's private stuff between me and my friends who get what I'm all about.

He admitted he was TRYING to be provocative. Guess what? Success!

 

[Krystal]

He did delete them, but a ******** idiot had screenshotted them and brought them back up.

It wasn't a "******** idiot" it was somebody out to destroy him. Don't give your enemies ammunition and if you already have said stuff that can hurt you don't attack people for BEING A-HOLES ON SOCIAL MEDIA.


That's just too ironic to be true.

 

[Detective Conan]

I disagree. The Guardians films are the perfect tone for Fantastic Four. Guardians of the Galaxy is a domestic comedy where the domestic is in space. Fantastic Four is a domestic comedy where often times they go into space/the negative zone.

Fantastic Four should be more closer to Star Trek in terms of tone. It’s not really the wacky over-the-top comedy that some clamor for. Yes, there’s humor but the FF is generally a serious comic(not exactly dark) with with humor thrown in for good measure

The original Lee/Kirby run were not really comedic(for the most part). They were imaginative adventure stories that had the right mix of pathos and fun. The Guardians movies especially Vol. 2 sort of tends to go overboard on the humor( for me at least). That’s not to say a FF film shouldn’t have laughs, of course, but the franchise is not a comedy.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

It is unfortunate, but they had to do it. It would completely overshadow the next GOTG film. Plus they have an important shareholders vote next week.