Do You Believe In Evolution?

[Carcharodon]

In the world of science, not everything needs an "intelligent designer." And we're not talking about a car unless you're saying that the parts, or the paint, are naturally inclined to come together by themselves when given the opportunity. Nothing about being random is being said here. Biochemistry is not about chance or random occurrences. What you are doing here is creating your own version(or a version gleaned from some Creationist propaganda mill) of what science is saying and inserting that into your diatribe. So no, it doesn't rely on random chance whether you wish to see it that way or not. Read science books to learn about science and not some idiot on a Creation site that will mislead or outright lie to you in order to get you to believe what they want you to believe.

Nail on the ****ing head, dude. What these people repeatedly fail to realize is that the formation of these molecules follow physical and chemical patterns and tendencies that actually have some level of predictability.

That's the problem, though, once again: these people don't know anything about chemistry or biology, so they'll believe whatever tripe they're fed until they have pseudo-science oozing from their ears. The other problem is that it would take a LONG time for them to learn the actual science if they haven't already bothered.

 

[Captain_BluTac]

We all start out as female in the womb. The nipples and associated tissues begin to form before we sexually differentiate.

Thank you, now I think everyone will agree that the above explanation is a lot more convincing than men having nipples for "Marital purposes".





See y'all think I'm crazy but I believe with my nipple questions I illustrated a point fairly well.

 

[Danalys]

We all start out as female in the womb. The nipples and associated tissues begin to form before we sexually differentiate.

i wouldn't say we start female. we start sexless or something neither male or female.

 

[Carcharodon]

i wouldn't say we start female. we start sexless or something neither male or female.

I was trying to keep it simple; based on the external appearance of the genitals at this stage of development, we look female.

Happy?

 

[Danalys]

I was trying to keep it simple; based on the external appearance of the genitals at this stage of development, we look female.

Happy?

yeah. i was just thinking of the whole of walking abortion thing.

 

[Carcharodon]

yeah. i was just thinking of the whole of walking abortion thing.

Wha?

 

[Danalys]

"Retaining the male has not even the dubious purpose of reproduction. The male is a biological accident: the y(male) gene is an incomplete x(female) gene, that is, has an incomplete set of chromosomes. In other words, the male is an incomplete female, a walking abortion, aborted at the gene stage. To be male is to be deficient, emotionally limited; maleness is a deficiency disease and males are emotional cripples."

as you can see it treats men as a adaption of the feminine rather than us both as the adaptation of the asexual.

 

[Carcharodon]

OH gotcha. Think I've seen that before.

 

[Bill]

Luck has nothing to do with it. God created humanity, and that includes chromosomes. As such, He'd definitely know how to properly design them in the first place.

Then why do we have an appendix, a problematic spine, a coccyx and wisdom teeth? Definite design issues. In fact, why would vestigial organs and structures exist at all in "properly designed" organisms?

 

[squeekness]

Maybe becuaue we're not "finished" yet? We still have some more evolving to do.

 

[Carcharodon]

Maybe becuaue we're not "finished" yet? We still have some more evolving to do.

...you're not serious, are you?

 

[The Battousai]

Maybe becuaue we're not "finished" yet? We still have some more evolving to do.

Evolution is not a ladder - there isn't some evolutionary "goal" to achieve.

 

[squeekness]

...you're not serious, are you?

Sure I am.

Evolution is not a ladder - there isn't some evolutionary "goal" to achieve.

There is a goal each time - to make the newer version more viable for survival. Perhaps the better versions of us down the road won't even have appendixes anymore to go bad or bad spines or what not. You never know. We might be more resistant to disease, ect. You never know.

 

[The Battousai]

There is a goal each time - to make the newer version more viable for survival. Perhaps the better versions of us down the road won't even have appendixes anymore to go bad or bad spines or what not. You never know. We might be more resistant to disease, ect. You never know.

This isn't how it works.

 

[psychocheeseman]

Either the Bible is full of one impossibly accurate wild guess after another made by a bunch of ancient Hebrews, which relies upon random chance to the point of absurdity, or else it was inspired by someone with vastly more knowledge than any man.
Most non believers either aren't aware of these things, or when having them brought to their attention, simply discard them because they conflict with what the person wants to believe.

I'm a non believer and as such i am completely unaware of these impossibly accurate prophecies of the bible - please list a few and we'll help enlighten you as to your mistake.

including the objective facts that the Bible predicted the theory that you put so much stock in, and that people would find "evidence" of what they were choosing to believe thousands of years before those scientists existed.

I'm really hoping that's not the best impossibly accurate prophecy you're got... Because that isn't a prediction of anything specific it's merely a preemptive "if we're proved wrong it's the devil" clause. It is highly irrational to believe something to that degree of certainty - as regardless of the true nature of the world you will remain stuck in that belief - it is incredibly arrogant to believe you have such knowledge.

To discard God and put full faith in humanity alone is to discard the need for that humility, we all came from animals, there is no absolute right or wrong and we can just make up whatever happens to work for us, there is no being out there that is higher than us that we are to be judged by since we just got here without one and hence can make up whatever rules we happen to like and totally discard God...this is human arrogance, whether people that believe in it would like to admitt it or not. Just the fact that so many non-believers find the very idea of being bound by God's judgment offensive only serves to confirm that.

So an atheist can't be humble? WTF! What is more humbling, the idea that we are merely animals, or the idea that this entire planet was designed specifically for us and each of us is the centre of attention for the creator of the entire universe, who'll stop everything and listen to you winge about your day.... hmm i wonder?
Believing in evolution does not mean you don't have to believe in god. And even if you don't believe in god - that doesn't mean you're not judged by anyone. Even before considering morality a rational peson can see that we're all people - we're all equal - we have responsibilities to adhere to the rules of society in order to obtain its benefits. A rational person can see that we are subject to certain rules.

God has no place in the modern world - there is simply no need for him. Everything a deity once explaned has been better explaned by other more likely ideas. That's not to say that religion is a bad thing - only that it no longer offers satisfactory answers to the questions asked about reality.

 

[Carcharodon]

Double Post.

 

[Carcharodon]

Evolution is not a ladder - there isn't some evolutionary "goal" to achieve.

Right.

There is a goal each time.

Wrong.

This isn't how it works.

Right again.

 

[Oddzball]

Just to play the Devil's Advocate, the same can be said of anything abstract written in a scientific journal. It all comes down to who you feel you can trust.

Mind you, I dont believe you should follow the Bible literally, nor do I care much for most of abstract science.

Ahhhhhhhhhh, hate to break the news to you, but material published in scientific journals is peer reviewed. You have one writer giving the account of the Flood, and he's long gone, no way to verify his source of information.

Major difference.

 

[Moviefan2k4]

Then why do we have an appendix...

Many theories surround the appendix and its function. One suggests that it helps fight off infections, while another states it serves as a haven for bacteria needed to aid the digestive system. Some believe it was used in digesting flora at one point.

...a problematic spine...

Spinal problems can arise from many causes: injury and stress among them. But the most general reason is likely that health problems are the result of sin. Adam & Eve are never described as being ill in the Garden, and various theories suggest they could've been there for over a century prior to the Fall.

...a coccyx...

It's an aid for supporting the body weight of an individual who's sitting down, among other uses.

...and wisdom teeth?

Like others, the wisdom teeth have a primary purpose: chewing food. They're only removed surgically when their presence adversely affects other teeth, or when they've become damaged.

 

[Carcharodon]

Many theories surround the appendix and its function. One suggests that it helps fight off infections, while another states it serves as a haven for bacteria needed to aid the digestive system. Some believe it was used in digesting flora at one point.

These have been tossed around, but aren't well-supported. This one is still a toss-up, IMO.

Spinal problems can arise from many causes: injury and stress among them. But the most general reason is likely that health problems are the result of sin. Adam & Eve are never described as being ill in the Garden, and various theories suggest they could've been there for over a century prior to the Fall.

Credibility? What credibility?

It's an aid for supporting the body weight of an individual who's sitting down, among other uses.

1) Source?

2) What are those other uses?

Like others, the wisdom teeth have a primary purpose: chewing food.

Brilliant.

They're only removed surgically when their presence adversely affects other teeth, or when they've become damaged.

It doesn't strike you as strange that this happens all the time, with huge frequency??

Interesting.

 

[JLBats]

Spinal problems can arise from many causes: injury and stress among them. But the most general reason is likely that health problems are the result of sin. Adam & Eve are never described as being ill in the Garden, and various theories suggest they could've been there for over a century prior to the Fall.

...What an assholish comment

That is seriously one of the most heinously evil things I have ever heard.
I can list off for you the friends and relatives I have who would never harm a fly, who love their neighbour, who follow your stupid dogma, who have never even been given the CHANCE to sin, who have spent weeks and months in agony with illness or DIED because of it.

In your opinion, is that because somehow, in their thoughts, they sinned so profoundly that they DESERVEDTHATPAIN?
You ass?

And still, dictators and serial killers and mass murderers live long and healthy lives.

I want an apology for what you just said

 

[Moviefan2k4]

Source?

"The coccyx serves as somewhat of a weight-bearing structure when a person is seated, thus completing the tripod of weight bearing composed of the coccyx and the bilateral ischium." ~Patrick M. Foye, MD, EMedicine.Com, June 3, 2008~

Link

What are those other uses?

See the above article for more of Dr. Foye's comments.

It doesn't strike you as strange that this happens all the time, with huge frequency??

Not really. Our present bodies are a far cry from how God originally made Adam & Eve. But since we live in a fallen world, our bodies have suffered just as our spirits have.

 

[Moviefan2k4]

In your opinion, is that because somehow, in their thoughts, they sinned so profoundly that they DESERVED THAT PAIN?

Not at all; I was referring to the fact that sin has pervaded the entire globe since the Fall, and its impact has caused the deterioration of many things from the get-go, our overall health included.

 

[Carcharodon]

Not really. Our present bodies are a far cry from how God originally made Adam & Eve. But since we live in a fallen world, our bodies have suffered just as our spirits have.

Again you use a religious argument in a scientific debate, yet you seem to wonder why you lack credibility.

Thanks for that link though, I'll check it out.

EDIT: I find it funny that the link you posted also mentions its vestigial origins:

The human coccyx is often considered a vestigial remnant or corollary of a tail; thus, the coccyx is colloquially referred to as the tailbone.

Good link though, interesting read.

 

[JLBats]

Not at all; I was referring to the fact that sin has pervaded the entire globe since the Fall, and its impact has caused the deterioration of many things from the get-go, our overall health included.

Ugh. What's the point of this? I could tell you how much this makes your God sound like a dick but you'll have some other non-sensical answer which you'll say while smiling non-sensically and round and round we'd go.