Do you consider Ang Lee's Hulk MCU canon?

[XtremelyBaneful]

I basically already conceded that TIH is canon. My only point was, the question is still less stupid than the one here. That isn't nonsensical. It might be a little trivial and silly, but it isn't nonsensical.

Not at all. It is nonsensical to fathom that tih isn't mcu canon, because it just doesn't make sense. i'm not saying ang lee hulk being quasi canon totally makes sense, but it is something that can actually be talked about however much or little.

The fact that it simply could happen makes it more plausible than the title of this thread.

it didn't, and it isn't. for reasons I already stated.

 

[lordofthenerds]

Not at all. It is nonsensical to fathom that tih isn't mcu canon, because it just doesn't make sense.

It isn't that unfathomable. Thor occurred before The Avengers. Ignore that one "I broke Harlem" line, and it's no longer referenced. A deleted scene isn't canon.

i'm not saying ang lee hulk being quasi canon totally makes sense, but it is something that can actually be talked about however much or little.

Except it clearly isn't canon. Not even partially. The origin was different, different actors, it was even distributed by a different studio… so how is this worthy of being discussed at all?

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

It isn't that unfathomable. Thor occurred before The Avengers. Ignore that one "I broke Harlem" line, and it's no longer referenced. A deleted scene isn't canon.

thor occurring before avengers means there was even less time to give the argument you're giving, merit. and... ignoring the harlem line doesn't work. that's just ignoring evidence. i dunno what deleted scene you're talking about but tony stark showing up in tih wasn't deleted, so therefore, yes, it is completely unfathomable and nonsensical.

Except it clearly isn't canon. Not even partially. The origin was different, different actors, it was even distributed by a different studio… so how is this worthy of being discussed at all?

i'm not saying it is but is definitely something that can be brought up more than trying to dismiss tih as non mcu canon.

 

[lordofthenerds]

thor occurring before avengers means there was even less time to give the argument you're giving, merit.

The hypothetical retcon would have occurred with the release of The Avengers.

i dunno what deleted scene you're talking about but tony stark showing up in tih wasn't deleted,

The Avengers referenced a deleted scene from TIH involving a suicide attempt.

i'm not saying it is but is definitely something that can be brought up more than trying to dismiss tih as non mcu canon.

I disagree. This thread contains 4 and half pages of essentially the same response. Look at the poll.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

The hypothetical retcon would have occurred with the release of The Avengers.

if they wanted to retcon it at all they wouldn't have referenced it in thor, which came out a year before that.

The Avengers referenced a deleted scene from TIH involving a suicide attempt.

well deleted scene aside there was still a harlem line included.

I disagree. This thread contains 4 and half pages of essentially the same response. Look at the poll.

and how many votes do you think a poll would get for the option "no" in the question "is tih not mcu canon?"

 

[lordofthenerds]

and how many votes do you think a poll would get for the option "no" in the question "is tih not mcu canon?"

It would be the losing side no doubt, but it might manage to scrounge up more than 6 votes.

Could we quit arguing over this? I concede that The Incredible Hulk is canon.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

It would be the losing side no doubt, but it might manage to scrounge up more than 6 votes.

Could we quit arguing over this? I concede that The Incredible Hulk is canon.

hey man you pretty much started this argument, not me. so you decide when to stop.

and... I definitely think it would get less than 6 votes.

 

[Shanio1]

Nope.Then the daredevil film and any other character that had a film before their MCU introduction could be considered canon

 

[Pecola1]

Nope.Then the daredevil film and any other character that had a film before their MCU introduction could be considered cannon

Using that logic however means that the first Iron Man isn't cannon. TIH was released almost a month after the first Iron Man, meaning that would be a marvel film made after the MCU was started.
It was going to be cannon, was released as cannon, but when it was shown to not be accepted by the people, was scrapped as cannon, wiped up, thrown out, and was to be forgotten. Marvel wanted it to be canon, but after it's release, and the Hulk reboot of the Avengers, it is to be considered a movie which failed to be accepted well enough to be cannon. Whether it really was that bad or not, I don't know, I haven't seen it, but obviously marvel saw it wasn't accepted well and removed it from cannon. Simple as that. From what I have seen it doesn't look great, the actor doesn't seem great either.

 

[Pecola1]

Course one could say I was being illogical by assuming that "Films before canon are not canon" means "Films after or during canon are canon" However, if the former is your definition, then the converse should be true. But that isn't quite what I meant.
If you want to say things before canon aren't canon, you must first define where canon starts. If just the Iron man movie was released, there would be no canon. Thus there must be at least one other film which is linked. Either that or the first time the main characters from said movies come into a single movie. (the avengers) If the former, Hulk is what caused the canon to start, therefore it must be canon. If the latter none of the Phase 1 films are canon except Avengers. Using the release date doesn't help, as whether something is canon or not is decided once it is figured out that it fits with the cannon. Incredible Hulk is not canon, and we can know for sure now because it doesn't fit, and Marvel has swept it under the rug, trying to keep it out of canon.
A canon definition that films before are not assumes that iron man is canon. It is, but would not have been if it wasn't accepted well by fans. TIH would have been cannon if it were accepted by fans, and was decided to be kept canon by Marvel, but it wasn't.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Using that logic however means that the first Iron Man isn't cannon. TIH was released almost a month after the first Iron Man, meaning that would be a marvel film made after the MCU was started.
It was going to be cannon, was released as cannon, but when it was shown to not be accepted by the people, was scrapped as cannon, wiped up, thrown out, and was to be forgotten. Marvel wanted it to be canon, but after it's release, and the Hulk reboot of the Avengers, it is to be considered a movie which failed to be accepted well enough to be cannon. Whether it really was that bad or not, I don't know, I haven't seen it, but obviously marvel saw it wasn't accepted well and removed it from cannon. Simple as that. From what I have seen it doesn't look great, the actor doesn't seem great either.

Wait what? How the hell isn't TIH cannon in the MCU? It was referenced in the Avengers, three times (Cap/Coulson scene, Stark looks at the campus news footage and "I broke Harlem" line). Tony Stark made a cameo at the end of TIH. There's a Marvel One Shot about Ross and the Abomination. Banner was mentioned in Thor by Selvig.

No TIH isn't removed from cannon the only thing debatable is if AngHulk is cannon to the MCU since TIH was supposed to be a vague sequel to that when Marvel and Universal were making it.

 

[CoherentChaos]

Wait what? How the hell isn't TIH cannon in the MCU? It was referenced in the Avengers, three times (Cap/Coulson scene, Stark looks at the campus news footage and "I broke Harlem" line). Tony Stark made a cameo at the end of TIH. There's a Marvel One Shot about Ross and the Abomination. Banner was mentioned in Thor by Selvig.

No TIH isn't removed from cannon the only thing debatable is if AngHulk is cannon to the MCU since TIH was supposed to be a vague sequel to that when Marvel and Universal were making it.

This

TIH is canon to the MCU. And so is Iron Man 1 for that matter, in case, in the defiance of all logic, someone out there actually believes it isn't.

End of story. Please let's refocus on Ang's Hulk.

 

[Iron_Stark]

This

TIH is canon to the MCU. And so is Iron Man 1 for that matter, in case, in the defiance of all logic, someone out there actually believes it isn't.

End of story. Please let's refocus on Ang's Hulk.

People are questioning Iron Man 1 being canon now?

That's it, I'm done with this thread.

As far as AngHulk being canon or not, I know officially it's not, but in my personal Hulk viewing marathons it is, since the origins were similar (Hulk created in a lab and not an explosion) and it ends with Hulk in South America and TIH picks up with Hulk in South America aaaaand both have the Universal logo before the movie starts.

So for me, I do have the Blu Ray with the other MCU movies on my movie shelf.

 

[Mike Murdock]

BTW, please don't confuse canon with cannon, as explained here.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

No TIH isn't removed from cannon the only thing debatable is if AngHulk is cannon to the MCU since TIH was supposed to be a vague sequel to that when Marvel and Universal were making it.

thank you. if only you said this sooner.

 

[Pecola1]

People are questioning Iron Man 1 being canon now?

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That would be my fault. :P
I submitted a theoretical translation of logic, which contained the possibility of Iron Man 1 being non-canon. (But it is of course cannon and canon.)

 

[Human Torch]

Someone should fire a cannon at this whole thread.

 

[Pecola1]

Someone should fire a cannon at this whole thread.

Agreed.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Na...

 

[CoherentChaos]

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That would be my fault. :P
I submitted a theoretical translation of logic, which contained the possibility of Iron Man 1 being non-canon. (But it is of course cannon and canon.)

I think I got the gist of it being a translation of logic. I hold no ridicule towards you.

But it got me thinking that there's always the possibility that someone out there is probably loco enough to see IM1 as non-canon due to the MCU not really getting its sense of direction (as in, for a unified continuity that builds up to an ensemble film) until around Thor or IM2.

It's a stretch of logic, but that's sort of the point. And it's just as ridiculous imo as considering TIH non-canon.

 

[Adhesive Boy]

No, for the simple reason that it's not.

 

[Victarion]

It fits well enough for me, so yeah.

That's a whole lot of debate for the question of whether or not you liked the movie.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

It fits well enough for me, so yeah.

That's a whole lot of debate for the question of whether or not you liked the movie.

kinda mixed reviews, so.

 

[Human Torch]

Given the fact that TIH was now referenced in [BLACKOUT]Daredevil [/BLACKOUT] of all things,does that FINALLY put to rest any thought that TIH is somehow "not-canon"?

I mean, I think TIH has been referenced in more Marvel media than any other Marvel movie, and yet people still seem to think Marvel is distancing themselves from that film. I think people are waiting for RDJ to look into the camera and say "TIH happened people." before excepting it.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

it should never have been up for debate. daredevil wasn't the first marvel property to reference it.