Could Nolan's batman movies be seen as unofficially canon to the DCCU?

[DigificWriter]

Just for the record, officially licensed does not actually mean or equal Canon.

As for the question being asked, there is absolutely no possible way to link the Nolan-verse Bat-films to the DCEU as it has been conceived, and it is pointless and silly to try.

It's so, so different. It's like Batman/Batman Returns and then Batman Forever/Batman & Robin being their own beasts. Lol.

Bad example, because those four films were explicitly connected to each other.

 

[BH/HHH]

Tbh the continuity is so s**t between the Burton/Schumacher movies I really don't see why not

 

[DigificWriter]

Tbh the continuity is so s**t between the Burton/Schumacher movies I really don't see why not

What, exactly, is so problematic about the continuity of the Burton/Schumacher movies?

 

[Victarion]

Harvey Dent.

 

[I Am The Knight]

If you put aesthetics aside, there's no contradiction

 

[Decepticonus]

Harvey Dent.

Black face?

But yeah, that always bothered me as a kid. The city looks completely different, the overall tone. You can't look at Clooney or Kilmer and be like oh yeah before he was blowing Axis Chemicals with people in it.

 

[DigificWriter]

I wouldn't count aesthetic differences as impacting continuity, but even if you do, the fact of the matter is that the movies are connected to each other and do exist in a single filmic universe.

At any rate, the Burton/Schumacher films really aren't relevant to the question of the Nolan-verse Bat-films being able to exist in the DCEU.

 

[Victarion]

I could buy Joel's Gotham as a Gotham of the far future in the original 4 films' timeline. The very distant future, after the city picked itself up from the slump it was in during BR.

 

[The Joker]

If you put aesthetics aside, there's no contradiction

Even the two Burton ones don't completely follow aesthetic continuity. For example Wayne Manor and the Batcave look completely different between Batman '89 and Returns.

I always took it that the Burton and Schumacher movies were connected. Keaton was signed on to do the third one until he saw the campy approach they were taking and he walked. They just replaced him with Kilmer. They keep the Gordon and Alfred from the Burton movies. They make some subtle verbal references to the Burton movies such as the line about Batman liking strong women in skin tight vinyl with a whip (Catwoman), and Bruce telling Dick his parents were killed by a maniac (Joker) just like his were (Two Face).

I've never seen or heard any word from the producers or anyone affiliated with the movies that Batman Forever was supposed to be a reboot or in a separate timeline from the Burton movies.

 

[DigificWriter]

I've never seen or heard any word from the producers or anyone affiliated with the movies that Batman Forever was supposed to be a reboot or in a separate timeline from the Burton movies.

Because it wasn't. It's about as obvious that those first four Bat-films share a continuity with each other as it is that Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, and The Dark Knight Rises share a continuity with each other and ONLY with each other.

 

[BH/HHH]

I wouldn't count aesthetic differences as impacting continuity, but even if you do, the fact of the matter is that the movies are connected to each other and do exist in a single filmic universe.

At any rate, the Burton/Schumacher films really aren't relevant to the question of the Nolan-verse Bat-films being able to exist in the DCEU.

Just because something exists in the same filmic universe (Friday the 13th is a hell of an example) that doesn't mean there aren't continuity errors does it? I was clearly making a joke anyway but as usual you have to turn up with your no fun allowed badge.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

And guys, let's ignore this thread. The OP is clearly trolling.

you clearly don't know what you're talking about. I'm not trolling. Why don't you make that accusation directly instead of acting like I wouldn't read this

 

[Decepticonus]

I wouldn't count aesthetic differences as impacting continuity, but even if you do, the fact of the matter is that the movies are connected to each other and do exist in a single filmic universe.

You are correct, it's just growing up as a kid and even now as an adult it is very distracting. Watching it originally I was like "is this a NEW Batman" Hmm maybe someone else took up the mantle, no, wait, his name is Bruce Wayne. Hmm, maybe it's not a sequel in the same universe, no wait, that's the same Gordon & Alfred.
Let's keep in mind back then we didn't have this "universe" that exists now a days, where it was basically just sequels back then. In addition, even though we get new directors everything feels consistent...for the most part. For example, Faverau didn't do IM3 but I look at all 3 films and can go "yeah, this all connects." It still felt the same.
Nonetheless, you are right, they even admitted back then that it was all connected. However, there was one theory going around...

http://www.craveonline.com/art/805933-make-joel-schumacher-batman-movies-work

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I wanna see Darkseid defeated by canon fire of endless Nolan trilogy boxsets.

 

[Airwings]

What OP means is that Batfleck could have sort of a similar history of crime fighting as seen in the Nolan trilogy. Give or take a few details regarding characters, story lines and visuals.
Batfleck encountered Joker in the past. Who's to say that he hasn't had "his" Two-Face, "his" Scarecrow, "his" Catwoman etc too?
Maybe he even used his metallic suit before, against Bane?

It could be seen as a stretch, yes. But try to be polite here.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

What OP means is that Batfleck could have sort of a similar history of crime fighting as seen in the Nolan trilogy. Give or take a few details regarding characters, story lines and visuals.
Batfleck encountered Joker in the past. Who's to say that he hasn't had "his" Two-Face, "his" Scarecrow, "his" Catwoman etc too?
Maybe he even used his metallic suit before, against Bane?

It could be seen as a stretch, yes. But try to be polite here.

thank you. yes, there's really no need to be rude and say someone is less intelligible for suggesting this especially when I have stated that I am fully aware of the fact that nolan's movies are not canon and that they want his films kept away from the dccu as much as possible. i just do not like that they're doing that.

 

[hellblazer103]

the real issue is that whether it's canon or not, the general public will think it is. the last nolan movie only came out 3 years ago, after all. not that far apart from BvS and the rest.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

the real issue is that whether it's canon or not, the general public will think it is. the last nolan movie only came out 3 years ago, after all. not that far apart from BvS and the rest.

that's an issue WB created for themselves.

 

[GothamSerenade]

I don't want it to be.
I like to think of Nolan's trilogy in its own contained universe, which I feel confident in saying that it is.

Snyder's 'Batman' story is going to be an entirely different beast on its own.

 

[dude stannis]

I guess Nolans could be within the same multiverse.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I guess Nolans could be within the same multiverse.

multiverse makes things so convoluted. like, does a multiverse exist within each of the properties? is it the same multiverse? is there a multiverse at all?

i'd rather it all just be one, you know. I made a thread about that too.

 

[metaphysician]

You might want it to be all in one, but that doesn't mean its so. The Nolan Batman movies don't occur in the same world as anything else, simple as that.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

You might want it to be all in one, but that doesn't mean its so. The Nolan Batman movies don't occur in the same world as anything else, simple as that.

you're not saying anything that nobody already doesn't know.

people should read the OP before posting

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Just dropping by to say that Snyder confirmed that WB considered DKR to be the kickoff of the DCEU, instead of MoS. In fact, it was apparently Nolan's idea himself, before WB ultimately decided on a rebooted Batman:

Zack Snyder’s recent comments have sent DC fans to a whole new level of frenzy. According to him, Nolan’s Dark Knight Trilogy stood a strong chance of being connected to “Man of Steel” from DCEU. As one of the producers of Henry Cavill starrer standalone Superman film, Christopher Nolan was the one to propose this idea. It prompted the studios to consider making “The Dark Knight Rises” the foundation of the DCEU.

Zack Snyder Says Christian Bale’s Dark Knight Could Have Been In The DCEU - FandomWire

 

[Axl Van Sixx]

The Nolan movies can act as a vague backstory for Affleck's Batman. I don't see a glaring contradiction between the two.