Do you still consider the TV shows canon?

There's no reason that all of these haven't been considered "canon" from the get-go.

I am currently on Punisher Season 1 rewatch (having gone through Daredevil S1 & S2, and then The Defenders). The way The Hand was handled/presented was the only area of "messiness" from the Netflix batch of shows but, from my rewatch, there is no dialogue/plot point that negates anything from the MCU-proper. Now, you may not enjoy the stories that've been told thus far with Danny Rand, but it's all salvageable.

Daredevil S3 ends with Kingpin recaptured, so we'll need to see what transpired between then & Hawkeye that facilitated his release. My assumption is that it'll be lumped into something involving The Blip.
 
There's no reason that all of these haven't been considered "canon" from the get-go.

I am currently on Punisher Season 1 rewatch (having gone through Daredevil S1 & S2, and then The Defenders). The way The Hand was handled/presented was the only area of "messiness" from the Netflix batch of shows but, from my rewatch, there is no dialogue/plot point that negates anything from the MCU-proper. Now, you may not enjoy the stories that've been told thus far with Danny Rand, but it's all salvageable.

Daredevil S3 ends with Kingpin recaptured, so we'll need to see what transpired between then & Hawkeye that facilitated his release. My assumption is that it'll be lumped into something involving The Blip.
As bad as Iron Fist was, it's leagues better than Secret Invasion.
 
Slightly off topic but also kind of related. I was just watching a youtube video made by A bit of Everything where he was breaking down Daredevil's timeline of events in the original show. In it he pointed out a recent change to season 2 episode 5. Originally at the start it had a title card that said 10 years ago to show a flashback of when Matt first meets Elektra. Apparently the placement of that flashback didn't jive with the other flashbacks with Matt and Foggy in law school. Well now it seems that when Daredevil was uploaded to Disney+ (or sometime recently, it's not exactly clear when this happened) that 10 years ago title card has now been completely removed from the episode, making when this Elektra flashback took place more ambigiuous.

Obviously this is something really minor (especially in comparision to the 8 years later goof in Homecoming), but it's kind of interesting Marvel would take the time go back and edit that out of the episode. I can't see it being done solely to clear things up with the timeline, especially since there are more egregious timeline flubs that haven't been fixed and this one seemingly flew under the radar for most people. I also don't see Marvel doing this if the show wasn't considered canon either (but again, that's been put to rest at this point). The only reason why I could see them doing this is because it might factor in Born Again in some way, even if it's minor.
 
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This is a update on what john campea was talking about in some past recent videos.
Marvel Studios is NOT Making Daredevil & Marvel TV Canon as a Whole
 
This is a update on what john campea was talking about in some past recent videos.
Marvel Studios is NOT Making Daredevil & Marvel TV Canon as a Whole

I am not watching this video. It's canon. They may do some stuff like they did in Ragnarok when Hela called Odin's Gauntlet fake. But it's canon. Man just has to stop and deal with the fact he ended up being wrong
 
I am not watching this video. It's canon. They may do some stuff like they did in Ragnarok when Hela called Odin's Gauntlet fake. But it's canon. Man just has to stop and deal with the fact he ended up being wrong
Reminds me of the whole debacle with Gal Gadot. Dude was so adamant she wasn't going to be Wonder Woman and couldn't live it down.

If something didn't work in the Netflix shows, they will either fix it or ignore it.
 
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Reminds me of the whole debacle with Gal Gadot. Dude was so adamant she wasn't going to be Wonder Woman and couldn't live it down.

If something didn't work in the Netflix shows, they will either fix it or ignore it.
Precisely. Just like they have done with the movies when there was a retcon they needed to make. They will just hand wave it and do whatever they want.
 

The true is they didnt finally make Netflix's Series Canon, but they did it at the beginning, then considered it otherwise, to finally went back as initially

So back to beginning !! At first netflix shows really set in mcu 616 in producers' thoughts, sharing same continuity with movies!
But since phase four and multiverse Feige seemly didnt consider shows as canon and DD Born Again was meant to be reboot to be set in mcu616, instead Netflix which being ignored . (netflix shows' situation being unrevealed)
Now netflix shows are newly considered again as part of same continuity with movies and disney shows!
 
Daredevil: Born Again

Development

Initial work

Daredevil: Born Again
Development
Initial work
Marvel Studios decided to make a new Daredevil-led series in January 2022, following the appearances in No Way Home and Hawkeye. Cox discussed such a series in March, believing it should begin a few years after the end of the previous series and be "re-imagined". Regarding whether it should be rated TV-MA as the Netflix series was, he believed Marvel Studios would be able to create a faithful version of the character without that rating. However, he found the comics "more exciting, readable, relatable when it lives in a darker space" such as Brian Michael Bendis and Alex Maleev's run on the comics, and he felt important attributes of the character such as his age, Christian guilt, and history with women were more mature subjects. Cox was hopeful that a new series could have a more faithful adaptation of the "Born Again" storyline, from the comics by Frank Miller and David Mazzucchelli, than the original series which had taken inspiration from that storyline for its third season. He described the storyline as "kind of a PG comic" and a guide for how the series could work with that rating.

Later in March, a Daredevil reboot series was reported to be in development with Feige and Marvel Studios Production and Development group executive Chris Gary as producers. The series was confirmed to be in development for Disney+ in late May, with Matt Corman and Chris Ord attached as head writers and executive producers. The Hollywood Reporter and Deadline Hollywood both described it as a fourth season of the original series. During the 2022 San Diego Comic-Con in July, the series was officially announced as Daredevil: Born Again and was revealed to have 18 episodes for its first season. Cox said an 18-episode series was a "huge undertaking" and was chosen in part due to the many story possibilities that come with Murdock being a lawyer. Christian Holub at Entertainment Weekly believed the title was a reference to the character "literally being 'born again' into the official MCU" rather than the series being an adaptation of the "Born Again" storyline. Cox described Born Again as a "whole new thing" and not a fourth season of the Netflix series, which he felt was "the way to go. If you are going to do it again, do it differently."

Michael Cuesta was revealed to be directing the first episode of the series in March 2023. Additional directors were expected to direct blocks of episodes. D'Onofrio said they were working on two seasons and there would be "gigantic payoffs" during the second. He reiterated that they were approaching the new series differently from the Netflix series, with few plans to connect to the original. Jeffrey Nachmanoff and Clark Johnson—who was previously a director on the Marvel Netflix series Luke Cage (2016–2018)—joined the series as additional directors in May, with Johnson hired to direct two episodes.David Boyd was also set to direct.


Dario Scardapane, a writer on Netflix's Daredevil spin-off series The Punisher (2017–2019), was hired to serve as showrunner for Born Again in October 2023. This came after Marvel changed its approach to television production to have more traditional showrunners rather than head writers. Filmmaking duo Justin Benson and Aaron Moorhead, who previously worked on the Marvel Studios series Moon Knight (2022) and the second season of Loki (2023), were hired to direct the remaining episodes of the first season. Soon after Scardapane joined, the creative team decided that Born Again should harken back to the tone of the Netflix series and continue storylines from it, rather than be a complete reset.Cox said there was a "fine balance to strike" with this approach, but thought the new creative direction had a good reason for "remaking it" while still being familiar to what came before. In November 2023, Benson and Moorhead said they were reviewing the existing footage and looking to prior Daredevil content, including the Netflix series, to inform the foundation of their direction. They said they were fans of Miller's "Born Again" run, and Benson said he was a fan of Daredevil as a child despite not being "a huge comic book guy". The duo said this was their first MCU project where they were able to find their footing early on after being "thrown in the deep end" with Moon Knight and Loki. They were also more comfortable working with the more grounded style of Born Again, which is similar to their independent films, compared to the "mind-bending sci-fi affairs" of those previous MCU projects. Moorhead described Born Again's stakes as "primal and graspable". D'Onofrio said the directors were Marvel's "hottest talent", and he was confident the series would work after they joined. His friend and Moon Knight co-star Ethan Hawke told D'Onofrio about his positive experience working with the pair, and D'Onofrio was also a fan of their work on Loki, particularly how they handled violence.


Three new episodes were written, including a new pilot episode, as well as additional scenes for the previously shot episodes. Cox confirmed in May 2024 that nine episodes had been filmed, which Feige said was the first season of Born Again. Cuesta, Nachmanoff, and Boyd were re-confirmed to be credited directors for the series. Cox said the new version of the series was more in line with the Netflix series, while D'Onofrio said he and others who worked on the previous version were pleased with the new iteration.
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For me, I consider the MCU films - as the main chapters. Most importance pieces of the MCU.

The Disney+ live action shows/special presentations as adjacent. Its there and definitely in the same world, but its like a long feature on a DVD menu. They aren't must see compare to a feature film that came out in theaters.

The Netflix/ABC/Hulu/Freeform live action shows are as connected as the FoxVerse/SSU/Pre-MCU Spidey/New Line Blade movies.
 
OK now all Netflix shows set in 616 sacred timeline

But Feige/Disney dont decide yet about others marvel shows: Inhumans, Shield, Cloark/Dagger, Runaways
Without any official confirmation they are simply ignored
 
The ABC shows are at least connected through the actors that appeared in the MCU movies.

Helstrom, Cloak & Dagger, Legixn, The Gifted and Runaways. Well I guess they would continue to be in the corner of things when it comes to live action Marvel adaptations.
 
With the TVA being a thing, and Deadpool showing how at least portions of the Fox-verse ended up in the dump, it's possible that Feige pruned Shield and the others that didn't start on Disney for now.
 
With the TVA being a thing, and Deadpool showing how at least portions of the Fox-verse ended up in the dump, it's possible that Feige pruned Shield and the others that didn't start on Disney for now.
SHIELD got pruned because the Whedon's get paid for the use of every character except Coulson. I guess they can use any Ghost Rider except Robbie Reyes

For those hoping for the Kingpin to show up in the movies.

IGN Vincent D'Onofrio Reveals Wilson Fisk Can Never Be in the Movies

What a Star Trek novelist told a bunch of us 20 years ago about a settlement to a TV writers strike and characters like the NetFlix Defenders or the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. showing up on the big screen shows its face again.

Make no mistake the Kingpin or Quake can show up, if Disney thought it was worth the money like they did with Charlie Cox. In my opinion he was only brought into Spider-Man because the initial thought was Matt Murdock was a multiverse variant but now Disney is bitting the bullet on Daredevil Born Again after the MCU fell into decline and Foggy and Karen was paid for in a last ditch effort to save Marvel on Disney+
 
^I forgot about Whedon's involvement. I'm assuming re-casting would be an option as many of the characters existed before the show. Those specifically made up for the show though I could see them paying for.

Who would the rights even be tied up with? Netflix should be done with them. That leaves Sony as the only one I can think of since he was in the Spider-verse series. Still Fox made a Daredevil movie with Fisk in it.
 
I'm kinda hoping some of the TV characters/cast members would cross over to the MCU through Doomsday and Secret Wars, even if its just a short role, similar to Black Bolt. I felt like my time watching Inhumans in IMAX and in a weekly basis when the episodes came out weekly paid off, when Anson appeared in the Multiverse of Madness. I felt like at least something came out from that show. I can't say that to Helstrom, Cloak & Dagger and Runaways. The last two lasted for more than 1 season!

Cloak & Dagger would be cool to see, especially if they embrace the comic book look. Some from the Runaways would be nice as well.
 

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