Do you think "Uber" will be dealt with in one trilogy?

[HarryOsborn]

It's been rumored that Andy Serkis' character in the Force Awakens is code named "Uber" in the drafts and that he will serve as the Palpatine so-to-speak of this trilogy. Now the question is will he be dealt with and defeated come the close of episode IX?

Before you say "the story won't be complete if he's not.", the Emperor originally was not to be defeated until Episode IX in a show down with Luke and his sister (who was no originally Leia). The decision to kill him off at the end of Jedi came relatively late into the production, after Gary Kurtz left the project, and Lucas decided Star Wars had taken too big a toll on his personal life- making him want to be done with it all together. Jedi was supposed to end with Luke and Vader having some sort of a personal resolution (as this was the meat of the story and still is, not the defeat of the Empire), Han was to die, Leia was to be left with a great burden as the Queen of the reformed Alderaan, and Luke was to walk off into the sunset to search for others to rebuild the order.

Given that Disney clearly doesn't have Lucas's "let me be done already" mentality, is it possible we could see an ending like this, and that the greater evil behind Kylo Ren will not be a huge presence until perhaps Episode X?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yes, he will be dealt with in one trilogy. Mainly because of what he means to Luke, Rey and Kylo. The only way he survives is if Rey is the main character of the next trilogy as well.

 

[HarryOsborn]

Yes, he will be dealt with in one trilogy. Mainly because of what he means to Luke, Rey and Kylo. The only way he survives is if Rey is the main character of the next trilogy as well.

Luke wasn't to be the main character the original sequel trilogy, and the Emperor was not going to be dealt with by the end of episode VI. Even though the Emperor was the big bad behind the scenes, the emotional ties were between Luke, Obi-Wan, and Vader. From what it appears Kylo is serving a similar role to Vader, and according to rumors he has the emotional ties to Rey and the Skywalkers. Almost nothing is known about Uber so unless you have information I do not, it's difficult to say he has a vital connection to Luke or Rey at this point.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Care to fill me in on the connection between Uber and Luke, Rey, and Kylo?

Nothing confirmed yet. But if you want to talk some potential spoilers:

Spoiler

- Rey and Kylo are Luke's niece and nephew.

- They are students at Luke's academy.

- Uber attacks Luke's new Jedi academy and steals Kylo.

- Rey is "lost". Ends up growing up alone.

- At the end of the film, Rey becomes Luke's new apprentice.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Luke wasn't to be the main character the original sequel trilogy, and the Emperor was not going to be dealt with by the end of episode VI. Even though the Emperor was the big bad behind the scenes, the emotional ties were between Luke, Obi-Wan, and Vader. From what it appears Kylo is serving a similar role to Vader, and according to rumors he has the emotional ties to Rey and the Skywalkers. Almost nothing is known about Uber so unless you have information I do not, it's difficult to say he has a vital connection to Luke or Rey at this point.

And yet he was. I explained my reasoning. My is a bit more solid then yours I'd say.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Ah. I had heard about all of that except I didn't know [BLACKOUT]who attacks the academy[/BLACKOUT].

Thanks.

Do you know if there any spoilers or theories regarding Uber's identity?

No one knows, but two popular theories is this:

Spoiler

- I resurrected acient Sith Lord.

- A former disciple of Vader's. Not the Emperor, but specifically Vader. He also leads a group known as the 7, who are powerful in the Force, and are responsible for the act on the academy.

 

[ares834]

If "Uber" is Darth Maul someone deserves to be executed.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I am with ares834 on this one.

 

[Marvolo]

My guess is that "Uber" is Darth Bane resurrected. I'm pretty sure he or some other Sith Lord managed to resurrect in the old EU. So they may have brought that into the new canon.

 

[Lord]

What would be the problem with it being an old Maul? He survived the events in the Prequel era and considering the current canon, it would make sence from a story point of view, more so than some secret new dark lord we didn't know before now.

 

[ares834]

Don't see how it would make more sense. Maul was a relatively small and unimportant Sith Lord in the grand scheme of things. Meanwhile, if Uber is an ancient Sith Lord he'd presumably be one of great importance.

But my big problem with Maul is that the character should be dead. Bringing him back was a big mistake and making him the major antagonist of the new trilogy would only compound it.

 

[Lord]

Maul was still a strong Sith and survived the events in that era, with more years of training, hatred fueling him and possibly doing some stuff with, or against the Empire could make him into a powerful villain, Sidious saw something in him when he was a kid, so did Mother Talzin, and it's not as if he hasn't proven himself in more than one ocasion.

And it would make sence int he context of the story because so far, all the other major Dark Lords we know are dead, and according to canon, Sith can't return as ghosts. Yes, it's possible that the antagonist will be a returned Sith Lord from ancient times, but in order to resurrect him, they will need to introduce a brand new element into the franchise. If we only go by all the things we've been given in the canon stories so far, Maul would make the most sence, as he's still a loose thread in the franchise and he would have had 50+ years to harness his power.

 

[ares834]

I don't buy the "only go by all the things we've been given in the canon stories so far" logic as this is a new movie with a new story. Obviously, it's going to introduce many new things. I'd much rather they create a new villain rather than force an old one into the role.

 

[Lord]

But introducing the possibility of resurrection is still something realy big to introduce this late in the game, like it or not, Maul was still a major player in the story.

 

[ares834]

Who said anything about resurrection? Regardless, powers over life and death have been central to SW from the very beginning.

 

[Lord]

Who said anything about resurrection? Regardless, powers over life and death have been central to SW from the very beginning.

I know it has, but in the end it's been shown that trying to control life and death never ends well, what Palpatine promised Anakin ended up not happening, and Plagueis's story was supposed to be ironic and tragic.

I don't think Maul will be the main villain, but as i said, from a story point of view, it would actualy make a lot of sence, it wouldn't be just saying "well, here's another secret Sith who's behind it all like Palpatine, but is even stronger..."

 

[ares834]

Obviously if they handle it the way you are saying it would suck. But I'd assume they would have more to it then that.

And making it Maul frankly doesn't make a lot of sense. As far as you're average movie goer is concerned, he was killed off.

 

[Lord]

Obviously if they handle it the way you are saying it would suck. But I'd assume they would have more to it then that.

And making it Maul frankly doesn't make a lot of sense. As far as you're average movie goer is concerned, he was killed off.

That's why i was talking about it in the context of the canon story so far.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I'd love it if Uber was either Bane or Plagueis.

 

[BatLobster]

Entertaining the Maul idea for a moment...

Was it GL's idea to bring him back in the Clone Wars? Because if so, I'll bet that decision was made with him having full knowledge that there was going to be a sequel trilogy.

If there's a way to do it without it feeling tacky, I could be into that idea. I kind of love the idea of the two "big bads" of the saga both being introduced in Episode I. A Sith apprentice become a Sith master would be something we've yet to witness in the saga.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I believe it was indeed on GL's order that Maul be brought back, and his daughter who was one of the shows writers, even scripted the episodes. I think over time he realized how popular the character had become and tried to have it salvaged in some form.

I'm of the mind that if he's going to be used in the films again then it'll be in one of the anthology titles rather than in an actual episode.

 

[HarryOsborn]

And yet he was. I explained my reasoning. My is a bit more solid then yours I'd say.

...Um yeah he was dealt with because Lucas got divorced and lost most of his money and swore off star wars. He claimed to next films would have been the prequels in the late 80s, followed by the sequels in the late 90s-early 2000s. Gary Kurtz even gave an outline of what they'd planned out in 99 http://www.theforce.net/latestnews/story/gary_kurtz_reveals_original_plans_for_episodes_19_80270.asp . I'm well aware of all the rumors, I'm probably just as well versed if not more so than you are. However my reasoning is based in historical precedence and at the end of the day yours is based in based on rumors and opinions of what needs to happen. Luke's relationship with Uber as an important plot thread is very much up for debate as all rumors indicate Kylo Ren is the one with all serious emotional ties and that Uber- like the Emperor is merely a force of nature.

 

[HarryOsborn]

Maul was still a strong Sith and survived the events in that era, with more years of training, hatred fueling him and possibly doing some stuff with, or against the Empire could make him into a powerful villain, Sidious saw something in him when he was a kid, so did Mother Talzin, and it's not as if he hasn't proven himself in more than one ocasion.

And it would make sence int he context of the story because so far, all the other major Dark Lords we know are dead, and according to canon, Sith can't return as ghosts. Yes, it's possible that the antagonist will be a returned Sith Lord from ancient times, but in order to resurrect him, they will need to introduce a brand new element into the franchise. If we only go by all the things we've been given in the canon stories so far, Maul would make the most sence, as he's still a loose thread in the franchise and he would have had 50+ years to harness his power.

I would love if Uber was Maul. The Clone Wars proved he was a worthy antagonist and a nuanced character- easily on the same level as Darth Vader and the Emperor when it comes to Star Wars villains. Anyway by the time Episode VII rolls around, Episode I would have been 77 years prior and the Clone wars would have been 67-64 years prior. In the context of reality, that's like Stalin or Hitler returning from the shadows. Not necessarily Ancient, but definitely an old threat from era's long passed. I don't think Uber was ever really supposed to be "Ancient" I just think that rumor came from the supposed "ancient fear" title- which could have been referring to the super weapon.

 

[BatLobster]

My feeling is that if Uber is connected to something from the past (doesn't have to be a character we already know just a character who's been around), the movie will lean more towards being the seventh chapter of one big story. If Uber is a totally new big baddie that comes out of nowhere, it'll lean more towards being the first chapter of a brand new story.

Part of me feels like with Sidious being the ultimate antagonist of the first 6 movies, a fresh start is okay here. But another part of me suspects that it would be a missed opportunity not to draw from the rich existing mythology, and I think the story group along with Abrams and Kasdan are aware of that.

Uber is probably the thing I'm most interested about, even moreso than Kylo Ren. I think it's entirely possible that we won't even learn Uber's identity in TFA movie also.

 

[HarryOsborn]

The best thing Lucasfilm/Disney can do in the situation presented is retcon the Rule of Two- which they appear to be doing in Rebels as well as Marvel's Darth Vader. By doing this they can create a new central antagonist that ties into the story, while leaving the door open to make as many films as they wants in the future.

Lucas always said if there was a sequel trilogy is would "be a sequel to this main saga rather than a continuation". Having an old antagonist (Maul), a behind the scenes Voldemort like being who's finally returned from the edge of death (Plagueis), or some ancient evil (Revan, Bane, someone new) could easily allow this new saga to be a "sequel" of sorts, while still tying into the main saga.