Does Female Empowerment exist?

[Danalys]

And I'm no expert on this but it seems to me that some, if not most, of the women talking about "female empowerment" or empowering women are the ones who are dressing in a way that makes them look like nothing more than sex objects; I know you shouldn't judge a book by it's cover but that doesn't look very empowering if you ask me.

the fault in objectifying is in the one objectifying not the objectified. being a sexual being does not make you an object. people are never "nothing more than" some particular thing.

why are they talking more? because extroverts talk more generally.

 

[Danalys]

Female "empowerment" and "Womens liberation" are some great marketing ploys that the world has bought hook line and sinker.

How "empowered" do you feel ladies? Still making less than a man? Staying single until your older and having a failed marriage? Being sold a line of clothes that is supposed to make you "feel" empowered? Female empowerment is just the next marketing ploy to pigeon hole women into some sort of stereotype to be exploted by the fashion industry and keep women working, working, working, and "contributing" to society...for less cash than a man no less. Such a ruse.

Just like womens lib...........Ok dear, stop being a worthless stay at home wife, your more than that. Go to work, pay taxes, get paid less salary, hold off on having kids, don't get married, work full time and take care of a home, work full time and be a wife, work full time and be a mom, oh and it's a double win for "them" because they wont pay you as much as a man or your husband for doing the same work,...the extra rub is they wont pay your husband enough to provide for the family any more either, now you both have to work harder for less.

Feel liberated ladies??? Do more for less.....and now if you choose to stay home society will view you negatively and say your a gold digger or you have no ambition...yea womens lib. What a joke that was/is.

don't blame liberation for the attempt to capitalize off it. that it's own problem.

 

[The Question]

Using sexual attraction to tease and make men look like mindless horn dogs = a form a female empowerment

How is that a good thing? That's cruel and manipulative.

Using sexual attraction to lay the entire basketball team = just gross and pathetic

How is that a bad thing? As long as she's using proper protection then what's the harm in having a thing for group sex?

 

[redmarvel]

Yes, being an attractive woman gives you power.
Wearing less cloths gives you power (if you are attractive). Men like sex, it's whats they aspire to have. You have the power to give that.

Women like sex too, and we enjoy looking at men who are physically fit wearing less clothing than the "norm" too.

 

[JAK®]

Using sexual attraction to tease and make men look like mindless horn dogs = a form a female empowerment

Using sexual attraction to lay the entire basketball team = just gross and pathetic

Using sexual attraction to dominate and make women work for you = manly

Using sexual attraction to lay the entire cheerleading team = manly

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Yes there's a double standard but it's not simply because of sexism.

Anyone who gets penetrated is going to be seen as a victim, men included.


THat's why the 16 year old boy who loses his virginity gets high fives and the 16 year old girl who does the same is called a ****.

That's nature. I didn't invent this phenomenom.

 

[Danalys]

it's cultural not nature. stems from virgins being worth more in trading for their hand in marriage.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

In nature, especially mammals, the dominant male mates with any female while each female is happy with sharing a single, dominat male.

Our society celebrates males who have sexual conquest with mutiple partners and tears down any female who does the same.

If a woman gets pregnant she is responsible for a baby for the next two decades. Guys can split whenever they feel like it. Another reasons fathers are more protective of daughter than sons.

 

[UltimateJustin]

In nature, especially mammals, the dominant male mates with any female while each female is happy with sharing a single, dominat male.

Our society celebrates males who have sexual conquest with mutiple partners and tears down any female who does the same.

If a woman gets pregnant she is responsible for a baby for the next two decades. Guys can split whenever they feel like it. Another reasons fathers are more protective of daughter than sons.

I don't get it.

 

[Danalys]

In nature, especially mammals, the dominant male mates with any female while each female is happy with sharing a single, dominat male.

Our society celebrates males who have sexual conquest with mutiple partners and tears down any female who does the same.

If a woman gets pregnant she is responsible for a baby for the next two decades. Guys can split whenever they feel like it. Another reasons fathers are more protective of daughter than sons.

and bonobos have orgies all the time. what can you say of humans that definitely isn't conditioned.

it also been established that the types of men women prefer is far more varied than the types of women for men. so i don't see human's in patriarchal prides being our nature. i don't think aboriginal societies have worked that way either.

 

[chamber-music]

Women in the entertainment industry are using their attractiveness to get more power. If that's what they choose to do and it makes them happy then it's great. As long as it is THEIR choice and not forced on them by some man.

You make a good point but some women feel they have to use their looks or sex appeal to get ahead because if they didn't they would not get the same oppertunities there male counterparts would.

Plus we live in a commercialised society that makes some women feel they have to look a certain way or they are worthless or lacking in some way.

I think its funny you get these young pop singers performing in their underwear but their audience (the people who buy their music) is tween aged girls.

 

[Gunga Diner]

I consider myself a feminist and have pretty strong feelings on this subject. I think that the term "****ty" is really obnoxious, even when it applies. I think women should be proud of their bodies and should be able to show it. That said, I think that we have a culture that is so hyper-focused on a specific, Pamela Anderson-esque idea of what the female body should be, that it's hard for women to get into positions of power and influence without being seen for their bodies.

Sexiness and empowerment are both good things. Great things, even. They just shouldn't be married to eachother.

I've been reading a book lately called Female Chauvinist Pigs by Ariel Levy. It's a great and provocative read, if you ever get a chance. I'd like to share with you this bite from the introduction of the book:

What was almost more surprising than the change itself were the responses I got when I started interviewing the men and -- often -- women who edit magazines like Maxim and make programs like The Man Show and Girls Gone Wild. This new raunch culture didn't mark the death of feminism, they told me; it was evidence that the feminist project had already been achieved. We'd earned the right to look at Playboy; we were empowered enough to get Brazilian bikini waxes. Women had come so far, I learned, we no longer needed to worry about objectification or misogyny. Instead, it was time for us to join the frat party of pop culture, where men had been enjoying themselves all along. If Male Chauvinist Pigs were men who regarded women as pieces of meat, we would outdo them and be Female Chauvinist Pigs: women who make sex objects of other women and of ourselves.

When I asked female viewers and readers what they got out of raunch culture, I heard similar things about empowering miniskirts and feminist strippers, and so on, but I also heard something else. They wanted to be "one of the guys"; they hoped to be experienced "like a man." Going to strip clubs or talking about porn stars was a way of showing themselves and the men around them that they weren't "prissy little women" or "girly-girls." Besides, they told me, it was all in fun, all tongue-in-cheek, and for me to regard this bacchanal as problematic would be old-school and uncool.
I tried to get with the program, but I could never make the argument add up in my head. How is resurrecting every stereotype of female sexuality that feminism endeavored to banish good for women? Why is laboring to look like Pamela Anderson empowering? And how is imitating a stripper or a porn star -- a woman whose job is to imitate arousal in the first place -- going to render us sexually liberated?

I think there are two extremes here. I think women should be in control of their own sexuality and even proud of it, unashamed. But even that's something that can be carried a step too far, to the point that women are objectifying themselves. I think women should be able to have careers and work outside the home, but I also don't think being a stay-at-home mom should be put down or belittled. Being a mom is a tough job and requires dedication and strength that is rarely recognized.

I do think female empowerment exists. The problem is that for Zack Snyder, female empowerment means "Herp derp, pretty lady has boobies and squishy hole but also punch boys which means I'm not exploiting them"

(NOTE: "Exploiting" has more than three syllables, which might mean that Zack Snyder has never correctly used it in a sentence)

 

[Lord Valumart]

I think its funny you get these young pop singers performing in their underwear but their audience (the people who buy their music) is tween aged girls.

Actually thats possibly the worst possible thing out there. Someone who these girls look up to is basically saying "strip off to get famous!" to them. Thats not really a message you want anyone to be getting, regardless of age.

 

[terry78]

The whole thing seems to be a catch-22 in that sense.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Why? Cause stripping is wrong? Who cares if it pays the bills? Just because some pedophile preacher told you taking off your clothes is wrong doesn't make it so.


If the lady is avoiding drugs and staying away from the seedier side of the business then I see nothing wrong with it.


Of course when a guy wants to get ripped so he can take off his shirt and be in a rap video, I'm sure that's just a guy trying to get out of the slums. But Heaven forbid a woman takes an honest job that pays good for very little.


Patriarchal double standard.

 

[Danalys]

sexual revolution is part of feminism it's not all of it tho. and can be as little as expecting an orgasm.