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Ok....we were talking about whether or not Pete's wife (MJ), if her job mattered or not.

Does the fact that she was/is a "model" help contribute to the fact that some may not feel she is right for Pete? MAybe because that is too big time, and some may feel that doesn't fit with the "Everyman".

So, what are your thoughts?

Does MJ's "job" really matter??
 
Tbh, I don't think it really matters in he sense that Peter is the "Everyman".
 
Aloha,
Okay, I'll bite:yay:
There was always a debate on how Peter could be with a model.That he could be with an attractive woman, no problem, but, MJ's party girl life style and later status as model /actress, was considered to be way off the Everyman persona of Peter Parker.This is why Gwen was considered a much better match than MJ.I always thought that more than does his wife's job matter was,does she have to be a super hero? MJ was one of the few non super powered females to have a long term relationship with a super powered hero. After all these decades, Peter Parker IS Spider-Man. His secret identity is Peter Parker the Everyman, but he is ALL Spider-Man as far as his life path.He's had opportunities to finish his degree as well as work in labs.He is poor by choice!
Whoever he dates/marries, she would have to deal with a life style that goes beyond any soldier,police officer or fireman regarding danger
Spidey rules
 
Thanks DT..!

There were some good points in the other thread, so i figured might as well give it its own thread, so to better staty on topic...plus we can see percentages of people's thoughts on it too.

My overall opinion, i guess, is like in real life, i think if you love someone, their job doesn't matter. So...MJ as a supermodel, has never bothered me, nor is it one of the first couple things I'd even think of, when i think of her.

Flip side of the coin...does Pete keeping a job matter? I mean, sure he is busy and saves the world, but he's been a hobo at times (saying this tongue in cheek!!) and his wife being a successful model, or breadwinner, anything is what is really paying the bills, so it is a good thing for MJ.
 
I'll just say(hopefully in a shorter form) what I said in the other thread:

To me, it doesn't matter what job MJ has, if any. But it should serve a purpose. Ostensibly, it should define her as a character. I mean, that is why we read these things, right? Because we like the characters. Secondarily, since she's a supporting (despite what a lot of people think) character of an ongoing action character, it would be nice if her job was a conduit to stories that would introduce conflict, into either Pete's or Spidey's life.
 
Although this poll is not really the point of the other discussion, I will repeat what I said before: it's not the JOB that matters, its what the job says about the CHARACTER. ASM and all the characters in it are works of fiction (except Pres. Obama!). As fictional characters, they are archetypes for certain sorts of people. Even in real life, our "dream jobs" tell us a lot about the sort of people we are dealing with. When one person says "my dream is to be a rock star because I want money, fame, and chicks" we think differently about that person from one who says "I want to go into medical research so I can devote my life to saving people." The job reveals something about that person's nature. We make judgements (rightly or wrongly) about the individual.

In creative fiction, what one chooses as a "dream job" is even more important because its a device writers use to reveal something about that character. It's shorthand for what that person is like "inside." MJ started off life as a foil for Gwen-MJ was a party girl, a devil-may-care irresponsible sort who dug Harry for his money and who wanted to be a model/actress. Writers characterized her in this way, in part (I suspect), because that set her off in juxtaposition from Gwen, who started out life as a feisty sort of girl, but who was later transformed into an "angel" of sorts--the perfect girl for Pete. A girl who was a fellow science student, who wanted to help people, become a teacher, etc. MJ's desire to become a model revealed something about her as a character because it plays on the stereotypes we have about "model/actresses" the same way Gwen's work in science was designed to reveal something about her character. So it's not the "job" per se, it's what that job means in the larger context of the character and what that character represents.

It was weird to think that Pete, the nerdy dude, would marry a supermodel. Just the lifestyle they had for a good while (swanky apartment, plenty o' cash) deviated considerably from what the initial conception of Pete was. Pete was never an "everyman," really. He was a nerdy loser (so not your average bloke) who happened to be a scientific genius (again, not an average guy). That's no "everyman." Ditko, in fact, has said that Pete was never meant to be an "everyman," he was meant to be extraordinary, a hero. Someone we ought to aspire to be like. He was, however, supposed to be beset with the same sorts of problems that we all deal with--they every day problems of being a teen-magnified, in fact, because he struggled to fit in with others. Yet, even WITH all those normal problems that all people face, Pete STILL managed to be a hero more often than not.

Thats actually why I never loved USM. Pete was a cool web designer with hot women hanging off each arm. I was like "huh?" He was unrecognizable from the Pete that existed in ASM & AF 15.

As for Pete's job, thats tough. It goes back to this whole "how do we age and ageless character?" In truth, someone who developed web fluid would be a billionaire. Ok, so, Marvel didn't want to go that direction, we already have Reed & Tony. JMS's run "aged" Pete because he chose to make Pete a high school teacher. Well, if your goal is to help teenage guys identify with the character, the LAST thing you want is for Pete to be a teacher. Sure, it's "growth", but not the sort of growth Marvel marketing wanted. Post JMS, about the only reference you get to Pete as a teacher was the Chameleon finding his NY teaching certificate. I'd lay pretty good odds that we'll NEVER see "Peter Parker, High School Teacher," again. Once again, we bump into that "do we age Pete or not" problem Marvel struggles with.

I always wondered why they just didn't send him back to grad school at ESU. I've had friends who made grad school--getting a PhD--a life time "career" of sorts. But I always liked it when they focused on his scientific acumen.
 
To be honest I don't think it does matter in the grand scheme of things, but I kind of prefer MJ as an actress specifically working on Broadway (either struggling or successful).
 
I don't think it matters from a character stand point, but from a story-telling perspective I think it matters a great deal. Part of MJ's problem has always been "how to include her in the world of Spider-Man." As a model or as an actress, what she could contribute has/was always more limited than someone like Lois Lane, who's job (A) puts her in harm's way (B) creates another facet through which story details can be discovered (C) allows her to be everywhere Superman might end up.
 
Aloha,
Okay, I'll bite:yay:
There was always a debate on how Peter could be with a model.That he could be with an attractive woman, no problem, but, MJ's party girl life style and later status as model /actress, was considered to be way off the Everyman persona of Peter Parker.This is why Gwen was considered a much better match than MJ.I always thought that more than does his wife's job matter was,does she have to be a super hero? MJ was one of the few non super powered females to have a long term relationship with a super powered hero. After all these decades, Peter Parker IS Spider-Man. His secret identity is Peter Parker the Everyman, but he is ALL Spider-Man as far as his life path.He's had opportunities to finish his degree as well as work in labs.He is poor by choice!
Whoever he dates/marries, she would have to deal with a life style that goes beyond any soldier,police officer or fireman regarding danger
Spidey rules
Well said, Donald Thomas. You always make such great points whether people agree or disagree with what your opinion is. :up:
 
Tbh, I don't think it really matters in he sense that Peter is the "Everyman".

I totally think it matters. How many people do you know who grew up as science nerds, and are currently dating or married to super models?
 
How many people do you know that got bit by a spider and became a superhero?
 
But pete is supposed to be a science nerd. Spidey is the alter ego. So the fit is with pete. And mj just doesn't fit. But now that Disney runs the show-the marriage won't come back. A married flagship character doesn't fit the group Disney is targeting
 
But pete is supposed to be a science nerd. Spidey is the alter ego. So the fit is with pete. And mj just doesn't fit. But now that Disney runs the show-the marriage won't come back. A married flagship character doesn't fit the group Disney is targeting

Actually...i think we have a better chance now, of getting OMD/BND getting negated, quicker, rather than later. (come on, we all know this reboot won't last forver, it is only a matter of time)

I don't think Disney will want to own a flagship character that makes deals with satan, to create whole new world's around this. What message does THAT give? Plus, with all the drop in numbers, if i owned spidey, i'd want to fix him. Plus, they could market it, globally, have a spidey day at their park, with a marriage again, have people show up, media, fans, it'd be a big money, good business decision, and it would make many customers come back that have left.

I don't think disney will do anything though, right away.
 
I dont think the marriage will ever be back. The marriage was a mistake (especially to MJ) from the beginning. It never fit Pete's character and within 6 months after it occurred, Marvel was already looking for ways to end it. Finally, inartfully, and stupidly, they did. Disney (I suspect) and Marvel (I know) both want a younger, hipper Spidey. Although its certainly possible, I would be very, very surprised if we ever see the marriage come back. If you're waiting for OMD/BND to be "fixed" before you start reading ASM again, you might want to consider moving on to a new character. I, for one, hope it NEVER comes back. But I sure wish they'd found a more artful way of ending it-and certainly not with an incredibly lame "deal" with Mephisto.
 
If Disney owned Marvel during OMD, maybe things would've been different.

Perhaps instead of Mephisto appearing and saving Aunt May in return for Pete and MJ's marriage Ursula would've appeared and saved Aunt May in return for Pete's voice. :p
 
But pete is supposed to be a science nerd. Spidey is the alter ego. So the fit is with pete. And mj just doesn't fit. But now that Disney runs the show-the marriage won't come back. A married flagship character doesn't fit the group Disney is targeting

Every single Disney princess is married. Come to think of it, has there been a Disney animated movie (not Pixar) that hasn't ended with either a wedding or an implied wedding?
 
Well in "The Hunchback of Notre Dame" Esmerelda got married, but not to the hero, Quazimodo. He didn't get the girl.
 
Well in "The Hunchback of Notre Dame" Esmerelda got married, but not to the hero, Quazimodo. He didn't get the girl.

Didn't she get married to one of the other protagonists though?

It also could be Disney would want to cash in on the iconic status of the Peter-MJ relationship.

I don't honestly think they'll do anything for a while though
 
The prncesses are being marketed to girls, so the stereo type that is played on has the girl (the princess) marrying the prince. Little girls, according to the stereo type dream of the big fancy wedding to the prince. Little boys, or so goes the stereo type, don't care about weddings at all. Marketing-wise, keep pete single and banging hot chicks. Such is the state of play in modern marketing. Regardless, it's all just sheer speculation, but I doubt we'll ever see the marriage back. Disney, btw, is quite candid about the fact they see little value in the publishing arm of marvel-Disney cares about movies, animation, video games, and "stuff" (back packs, tooth brushes, night lights, etc). Disney thinks comics themselves are passé.
 
The prncesses are being marketed to girls, so the stereo type that is played on has the girl (the princess) marrying the prince. Little girls, according to the stereo type dream of the big fancy wedding to the prince. Little boys, or so goes the stereo type, don't care about weddings at all. Marketing-wise, keep pete single and banging hot chicks. Such is the state of play in modern marketing. Regardless, it's all just sheer speculation, but I doubt we'll ever see the marriage back. Disney, btw, is quite candid about the fact they see little value in the publishing arm of marvel-Disney cares about movies, animation, video games, and "stuff" (back packs, tooth brushes, night lights, etc). Disney thinks comics themselves are passé.

:nono:
Shame on Disney.

I honestly think that the marriage will eventually come back, though it may take time. That's just my opinion though.
 
okay

so you mean that 10-99 boys/men(disney's new market they just got with marvel) dont wish/dream about getting super powers and getting a smoking hot wife that always looks hot, even when you're drawn slightly more dorky than usual?

a super hot wife that pays all ur bills cause u cant...nay WONT hold down a simple job....a super hot wife that lies to the government for you

a super hot wife that is super hot

i think the 10-99 hell try 2-infinity would want that
 
Aloha,
Okay, I'll bite:yay:
There was always a debate on how Peter could be with a model.That he could be with an attractive woman, no problem, but, MJ's party girl life style and later status as model /actress, was considered to be way off the Everyman persona of Peter Parker.This is why Gwen was considered a much better match than MJ.I always thought that more than does his wife's job matter was,does she have to be a super hero? MJ was one of the few non super powered females to have a long term relationship with a super powered hero. After all these decades, Peter Parker IS Spider-Man. His secret identity is Peter Parker the Everyman, but he is ALL Spider-Man as far as his life path.He's had opportunities to finish his degree as well as work in labs.He is poor by choice!
Whoever he dates/marries, she would have to deal with a life style that goes beyond any soldier,police officer or fireman regarding danger
Spidey rules

Well said. :yay:
It's been a while since I posted here.
I must admit, I DID think that Mj being a super model/celebrity was a little out there but it didn't hurt the story telling. Later I found respect for it because it matched her party girl personality. Mj being an actress trying to make it as written by JMS was interesting, (although ripped ala SM2)

Unlike the movies however I have to admit, I very much liked his approach.
The way that people have been handing her stuff down since she was a teen because of her looks, and now she wants to fight for true respect.

Really when you think about it though.
Betty Brant
Gwen Stacy
Jill Stacy
and any other of the women introduced in ASM, could have been models as well.

Peter is surrounded by beautiful women.:wow:
(Like me, who recently one of my lady friends told me has a problem of realizing that and acting on it until its too late, or fumbling the ball some other way)

I agree that he should be an everyman but he shouldn't be doing things just for the hell of it. Would Gwen have made a better wife? Of course not, she worried about Peter constantly and she didn't even know he was Spider-man.

If she were still alive and found out, she would have the extra burden of being reminded about her father's death.

If any one were to come in a close 2nd to being Peter's wife it would be Betty Brant.
 
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WHo knows who the "best" wife would be/have been. They re-made Gwen when she became Pete's girlfriend (and part of what made that relationship interesting, unlike the relationship with MJ, is that Gwen held Spidey responsible for her father's death, so Pete felt he couldn't reveal his secret to her), MJ was transformed into a Gwen clone (that is, latter-day Gwen) after she married Pete, Betty has had as many personalities as hair-dos over the years, so NONE of the female supporting characters has had much of a consistent "character". Gwen was at least interested in Pete at first because he was a fellow science student-so there was at least some commonality of interests. Betty sort of took pity on Pete because his high school crowd rejected him. It was never clear why MJ was drawn to Pete (other than Stan was trying to jump-start the series and pattern it after the Lois & Clark situation). MJ and Pete's relationship has been sort of "ret-conned" over the years. None of this stuff has ever been set in stone. I can sort of see why, to clean things up a bit, Marvel toyed with making Ben the "one true" Spider-Man. The character had gotten so mucked up, he was practically unrecognizable from his origins. But different people prefer different eras of the character. Marvel allegedly did a poll about the marriage at one point, and fewer than 15% of the general public even knew Pete was married--they got most of their info about Spidey not from the comics, but from the first two films. It's no easy thing to keep a character going for nearly 50 years and to make that character relevant for each generation. Just think, in 1965, college students ranked Spidey alongside Che Guevera and Bob Dylan as being a favorite revolutionary icon. Would anyone remotely think that today? The best we can do is argue about whether Pete's better off married or not. Hardly the edginess of what he used to be. But, he became so valuable to Marvel that he became bland, and largely irrelevant. I think the first film captured some of the early magic because it presented a slice of what was so appealing about the character to begin with. Mephisto didn't "ruin" Spidey, any more than the marriage did (and I opposed the marriage from the get-go), no, commercial success ruined Spidey.
 

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