Does Spider-man 3 change your opinion of previous movies in the series?

[The Joker]

It all depends on density - the further Sandman keeps his grains of sand away from each other, the more air can pass through them, the lighter he gets.

And from what was clearly shown, the sand was kept together in a dense cloud of sand. How else would it have had the strength to sweep people and cars over, unless it was densely packed together?

Just admit it's a movie flaw. Spidey 3 is full of them.

No, one doesn't necessarily imply the other. Why would you think so?
Yes, everyone has their own opinion on how something should be done. That’s why we call them expectations. And it should stop right there. It's not our job to tell the chef how to cook the meal.

Of course it is. We're the ones paying money for this product. People should get value for their money.

We have a god given right to say how we want something done if we're paying money for it.

 

[Blader5489]

Just admit it's a movie flaw. Spidey 3 is full of them.

All three movies are filled with flaws.

We have a god given right to say how we want something done if we're paying money for it.

LOL!

 

[Spider-Vader]

Yeah....1 & 2 should of had another villian because now we have a bunch of cool villians that might be crammed into 3 movies.

 

[Trevor Goodchild]

We like to call you people minority

You think that’s the minority? What about me and the rest of those who like SM1 the best out of the three?

Just admit it's a movie flaw. Spidey 3 is full of them.

Lol, it's not a flaw, if it is intentional. So even if he does fly, meh, it still works for me in this broad superhero science logic.

Of course it is. We're the ones paying money for this product. People should get value for their money.
We have a god given right to say how we want something done if we're paying money for it.

Haha...I would've agreed with you, if somebody in the movie business actually listened to us. Otherwise that’s just one big illusion.
Continuing my culinary metaphors:
Many people like to eat meat or pizza, just like many people like many different Spider-Man villains. There comes in a vegetarian or just someone who doesn’t like pizza. Those people may order something else from the menu or simply go away to another place but if they start criticising the restaurant because they are serving a particular type of meal and threaten to boycott it, they’re just disturbing the air, nobody would listen to such whiners.

Yeah....1 & 2 should of had another villian because now we have a bunch of cool villians that might be crammed into 3 movies.

Whaaat???

 

[Papa Burgundy]

no my opinon did not change (and didnt when i was first dissapointed in spidey 3) on the first two movies. spidey 1 & 2 are still great great movies

 

[Mr Jide]

Finally!! Someone else dislikes SM2 as well. I'm glad I'm not the only one who didn't like it.

You obviously havn't seen many of my 20 odd thousand posts that I've made here.

 

[Spiderine]

My opinion does not change about the other movies.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

That's so weird, cause I felt the exact same thing. After watching it again and again, I almost feel like Spider-Man 2 was disregarded for 3 (with the exception of Harry's plot and MJ and Peter's love story). It's weird, it felt like 2 wasn't part of the series when watching 3. No mention of Ock, no John Jameson, etc. I reiterate in saying it felt really weird. LOL t:

This is what dissapointed me the most about Spidey 3, plenty of plot strands from Spidey 2 were simply ignored, i still liked Spidey 3 in some ways, but many parts were dissapointing, and i agree 3 felt like more of a sequel to Spiderman rather than Spiderman 2.

 

[November Rain]

it concretes that the diversions they made in 2 were excessive but the majority can't really see that 3 is very much in the same light as 2.

ultimately all the stories told were kinda...irrelevant or not well executed...

 

[Blader5489]

This is what dissapointed me the most about Spidey 3, plenty of plot strands from Spidey 2 were simply ignored,

No, they weren't. That's simply untrue.

 

[The Joker]

No, they weren't. That's simply untrue.

Yeah, I don't get that complaint, either. What was ignored?

Harry finding the Goblin lair? That was there. Peter and MJ together? That was there. Peter was happy being Spider-Man now, after going thru the turmoil of hating and rejecting it. He's still living in that grotty apartment. Aunt May is in an apartment after losing her home in SM-2. Ock was referenced in the opening credits, and there's a headline about him on the wall by Jameson's desk.

The only thing that wasn't mentioned was John Jameson by Jonah. And judging from his reaction of his son being jilted at the altar, "Call Deborah and tell her not to open the caviar", it didn't seem like something that would be bothering him in SM-3.

 

[batman11]

One thing that's always griped me though, was when those people on the train saw his face.

Its like in SM3, Peter's walking down the street, and one of the people walking goes, "Hey look its Spider-man."

LOL

A new Spidey villain: the sketch artist that was described his identity. t:

 

[Vaportrail]

Whether you're aware of it or not, seeing a sequel changes how you perceive the original. You can still like the original just as much while hating the sequel (or loving it, as rare as that seems around here), but your perspectives of the characters and where they're at is different.

Peter seems like a more desperate, sympathetic character in Spidey 2. In the first one, he was just a geek who wasn't so suave with the girl. In 3, well. Emo. Still, this changes how you think of Peter when you watch the first.

Same with MJ, definitely with Harry, and prolly any movie franchise you've delved into.

I still <3 Spidey, so I guess it works for me.

-Vaportrail

 

[DACrowe]

I'm just gonna' point out that if you think one of the major flaws of sM3 is that the physics are improbable or impossible for the sand to glide that far while being packed tightly enough to knock **** over....you shouldn't even be watching superhero movies. This is about a guy who gets BITTEN BY A SPIDER and his DNA changes so he can climb walls and sense danger and all other sorts of impossible fantasy.


I have my problems with SM3. I really do. And I think most people I know disliked the movie. But guess what? I don't care. I enjoyed it and see its flaws and attributes that make it an enjoyable action flick IMO and above the genre standard (albeit far below the first two).

But I can't convince someone who didn't like it to do so, nor can they convince me otherwise. So why are people so defensive on both sides here?

Is your opinion only justified if everyone agrees with you? I just think this sorto f highly charged attacks from both sides is silly and ridiculous.

 

[DACrowe]

Vall you have a point in that the characters developed over all 3 movies. But Peter's journey in 1 is still the same. Harry's descent in 2 is still the same.

I essientially see 3 as a continuation of all plot threads from 2 but with Raimi throwing everything and a kitchen sink in this movie (Venom, Sandman, the symbiote storyline, Gwen and Captain Stacy) which made it more bloated than a sinking ship.

But 1 and 2 don't have to be affected by the sequels whatsoever, if you choose to ignore them. I watch Jaws and am blown away by the movie. I don't think that a shark is going to come back and attack them in a few years or that Brody and his son get eaten by a shark with a vengence complex. It's BS. I just ignore those films and never think of them while watching Jaws Same goes with say Schumaucher's Batman movies when watching the Burotn ones.

Then again those films aren't that interconnected like the Spidey movies. But even so, what difference does it make? If you enjoyed 1 and 2 and hated 3, just don't watch 3. If you choose to not watch the whole trilogy again, oh well. Does it matter to you at all, then?

BTW I still find it funny that the only complaint I seem to hear from people who hate it is that Venom didn't have enough screentime, Peter had an "emo haircut" (albeit he certainly didn't act it) and/or the dancing shouldn't have been there. Really those are kind of trivial to the basis of whether it is a good or bad movie. Well the dancing complaint has merit. But I'm rambling past my original point now, so I'll stop.

 

[mre]

Actually, the ending was changed not because of test audiences, but because Raimi/Maguire/Church thought it was weak. And I have to agree. The "new" ending is, to me, more powerful because Peter forgives Marko on his own, not at the request of a little girl.

I think that the Sandman should have turned himself in at the end. Or Spidey bringing the Sandman in himself.
All three villain's of Spidey 3 had very weak story-lines. Yes, it would have been great to have New Goblin go nuts in this movie and then save Peter at the very last second, like in the comics. I just think that was dynamite story telling and would have been perfect for film, the plot is RIGHT THERE, how can you read that and not put that on film???
I would have liked to see a more thorough story-line for the Sandman's character. We only see his daughter Penny once for like 5 minutes, and for the rest of the movie he just robs banks. Why put a character in a movie with such a weak plot? And then at the end he "apologizes" to Spider-Man about killing Uncle Ben, and then floats away. What happened to the main theme of this trilogy: taking responsibility for your actions?
And Venom and the black suit was rushed, and made no sense at all to me.
Also the Gwen Mj love triangle didn't to it for me either.

There, I have vented finally.
I also just want to say that I saw this film 3 times at the theatre. If I forget about all those things, the movie is actually alright.

 

[Blader5489]

I think that the Sandman should have turned himself in at the end. Or Spidey bringing the Sandman in himself.

Wouldn't be much use since he could, and probably would, escape.

Yes, it would have been great to have New Goblin go nuts in this movie and then save Peter at the very last second, like in the comics.

Which is what happened in the movie.

I would have liked to see a more thorough story-line for the Sandman's character.

Daughter sick, Marko needs money or she'll die. How much thorough do you need?

And Venom and the black suit was rushed, and made no sense at all to me.

LOL! Which part lost you?

Also the Gwen Mj love triangle didn't to it for me either.

It wasn't a love triangle, it was just another plot element to show Peter's degradation. Same for the "triangle" between Peter, Eddie, and Gwen.

The real love triangle of the film was between Peter, MJ, and Harry. All of which was a conclusion to the the triangle's beginnings in SM1.

 

[yodasmeagol]

We have a god given right to say how we want something done if we're paying money for it.

Yeah, just like our tax dollars.

And, no, Spider-Man 3 doesn't change my opinion at all. I still think all of the Spider-Man movies are exceptionally awesome.

 

[Trevor Goodchild]

Then again those films aren't that interconnected like the Spidey movies. But even so, what difference does it make? If you enjoyed 1 and 2 and hated 3, just don't watch 3. If you choose to not watch the whole trilogy again, oh well. Does it matter to you at all, then?

As I asked once already, as stupid as the whole thing may sound - what if I can't stand SM2? I know I'll miss an essential part of the plot, if I just skip from SM1 to SM3. What do you think I should do then?
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[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah, I don't get that complaint, either. What was ignored?

Harry finding the Goblin lair? That was there. Peter and MJ together? That was there. Peter was happy being Spider-Man now, after going thru the turmoil of hating and rejecting it. He's still living in that grotty apartment. Aunt May is in an apartment after losing her home in SM-2. Ock was referenced in the opening credits, and there's a headline about him on the wall by Jameson's desk.

The only thing that wasn't mentioned was John Jameson by Jonah. And judging from his reaction of his son being jilted at the altar, "Call Deborah and tell her not to open the caviar", it didn't seem like something that would be bothering him in SM-3.

Well I was talking about John Jameson, i mean, NO mention of him whatsoever? Surely J.Jonah would know who MJ left John for.

Plus the hints in Spidey 2 that Eddie and Aunt May suspected that Pete was Spiderman.

 

[Venom 1988]

Surely J.Jonah would know who MJ left John for.

Not really, theres nothing to lead that he would know that Peter even knows MJ.

Plus the hints in Spidey 2 that Eddie and Aunt May suspected that Pete was Spiderman.

Huh? And what hints exactly? All she did was give him a speech about heroes.

 

[UltimateJustin]

Plus the hints in Spidey 2 that Eddie and Aunt May suspected that Pete was Spiderman.

What?

 

[Blader5489]

Well I was talking about John Jameson, i mean, NO mention of him whatsoever? Surely J.Jonah would know who MJ left John for.

Plus the hints in Spidey 2 that Eddie and Aunt May suspected that Pete was Spiderman.

1) Eddie wasn't in SM2.

2) Since when are John Jameson and a hint at May knowing Peter's identity considered "plenty of plot strands"?

 

[DACrowe]

Well I think the Aunt May plot strand may be explored more in SM4, with a "death of" story a la ASM #400 (as opposed to the wretched **** JMS is writing now) or something similar to in SM5.

I think RAimi was just planting seeds for that so he or another director can go that direction and add some depth into later sequels where storylines will start straining to find new material. As for Robbie...I think that was a nod to the fans, really.

 

[Porygon]

Spider-Man 3 didn't change my opinion of the previous movies, it reaffirmed my opinion of them.