Logan Does the events of "Logan" ruin "Days of Future Past" for you?

[Milk Tray Guy]

Answer is "No"

Watched DoFP last night and was actually touched by the ending even more

Ditto on that - Logan really makes the optimistic ending of DoFP a bit of a choker when viewed in that context.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Speaking of the X-Men timeline and its issues...it occurs to me that LOGAN may have accidentally managed to fix two of the ones people complain the most about.

Xavier saying he met Magneto when he was 17 (which FIRST CLASS contradicts) and Xavier saying Magneto helped him build Cerebro are quite possibly now not continuity errors, but just early signs of Xavier's emerging dementia.

 

[VENOM90]

yeah. i gotta be honest, thought-all this talk about how this can be fixed is about as pointless as the fact it's in an alternate timeline-huge and patrick have said they're done. the ONLY way to remedy this is by having them come back and retelling the story-here's my own version of how the story should have been: My version would've started out the same-stayed pg13, however-it would've made sense. Logan had every right to be depressed in the beginning-I would've had his mood begin to improve after the nurse showed him Laura and the kids. I would've also kept the nurse alive, the farmer's family alive, and Logan-I wanna say Charles...but I can't. I would've had Logan built a new school in eden-to teach the next generation of xmen-cause let's be honest-what future do those kids have now? I already have 2 films planned after that.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

That doesn't sound so much a 'fix' (not that I think it needed one) - more a new story.

 

[VENOM90]

So much hope.

it was the foundation the xmen were built upon

 

[VENOM90]

Speaking of the X-Men timeline and its issues...it occurs to me that LOGAN may have accidentally managed to fix two of the ones people complain the most about.

Xavier saying he met Magneto when he was 17 (which FIRST CLASS contradicts) and Xavier saying Magneto helped him build Cerebro are quite possibly now not continuity errors, but just early signs of Xavier's emerging dementia.

to be fair, cerebro was different back then-magneto even said he helped

 

[VENOM90]

That doesn't sound so much a 'fix' (not that I think it needed one) - more a new story.

both, really. it can't be fixed without a new story. the whole film spat on.....everything associated with it-it was the complete opposite of what a superhero or xmen film should be. i'm appalled be the sheer level of immorality behind this film-murder, graphic violence, child abuse, hypocrisy.....this was a big part of my otherwise miserable childhood-both me and mom bonded over the xmen....she'd be just as disgusted as i am.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

both, really. it can't be fixed without a new story. the whole film spat on.....everything associated with it-it was the complete opposite of what o superhero or xmen film should be. i'm appalled be the sheer level of immorality behind this film-murder, graphic violence, child abuse, hypocrisy.....this was a big part of my otherwise miserable childhood-both me and mom bonded over the xmen....she'd be just as disgusted as i am.

Fair enough. I loved it but each to his/her own.

 

[VENOM90]

Fair enough. I loved it but each to his/her own.

another thing that pisses me off is how so many people keep saying this is marvel's dark knight.....yeeeeaaaah-uh....NO! did people forget this scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4GAQtGtd_0&t=6s ?

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Yes, I certainly wouldn't put it on the same level as The Dark Knight.

 

[VENOM90]

Yes, I certainly wouldn't put it on the same level as The Dark Knight.

of that, we agree-however, if the film followed my story-i gladly would. in the past films- i would gladly put wolverine on the same level level as the dark knight-logan inspired peopl-he was being groomed to take charles's place-there were definitive moments in those films-my 5 favorite moments was when he stayed, when he abandoned his past to save others, when he inspired the xmen in xmen 3, when he took charge of the solders and the xmen in the 3rd movie, when he was consumed by regret and pain-yet, even poisoned-he showed his most admirable trait-to never give up-he not only rose to the challenge-he prevailed, then, in days of the future-he again inspired people-most notably, the professor-and to me-that was the most powerful scene i've ever seen-right there with the ferry scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xORmoqBke2w . ''logan'' was devoid of such definitive moments-you could argue about how he ''sacrificed'' himself for those kids-i would disagree. i would say ''he wanted to die-so he didn't fight that hard''-i would also say ''he didn't save them...he condemned them''. speaking of the older films-perhaps charles's most important lesson was forgotten...

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

I get what you're saying. We obviously view the film fundamentally differently. For me he finally got the peace that it was previously hinted he may have wanted. He was obviously old and tired, and had seen terrible prejudice and actions arising out of that prejudice. He'd suffered many wounds (physical and mental) over the years, and he'd outlived just about anybody who mattered to him. Yet [BLACKOUT]as he died doing a final good thing [/BLACKOUT]he was able to see a chance for a better future for mutants through Laura and the others. It was bleak, but I found it a fitting end to his story.

 

[VENOM90]

I get what you're saying. We obviously view the film fundamentally differently. For me he finally got the peace that it was previously hinted he may have wanted. He was obviously old and tired, and had seen terrible prejudice and actions arising out of that prejudice. He'd suffered many wounds (physical and mental) over the years, and he'd outlived just about anybody who mattered to him. Yet as he died doing a final good thing he was able to see a chance for a better future for mutants through Laura and the others. It was bleak, but I found it a fitting yet poignant end to his story.

what future? they were taught to kill-now, they have no guidance. i've experienced those things from as far as i could remember-he was given a chance to right those wrongs....and he passed it up. he always wanted a purpose-he was given one. if there was to be a better future-he had plenty of time to teach laura in-what? 10 days, was it? but no-all he did was try to shake her faith-then leaving her behind. he could've thought her what itmeant to be a hero.....nope! just hypocritical lectures

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Yeah well, as I say, we see it differently.

 

[VENOM90]

Yeah well, as I say, we see it differently.

though, to be more accurate-i'd say i have more in common with laura

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

though, to be more accurate-i'd say i have more in common with laura

In what way?

 

[VENOM90]

In what way?

we were both born in piss poor situation-mine started because of my ''father''-neither laura or myself had much of a choice. we where both sought be those who wanted to exploit us, both of us have strain to non extant with our father-or father(s)-the one who screwed me over, we both were in cages for a time-her's were smaller but cleaner-however, i got stuck in 2, neither had much choice in what we could be-she had a chance (logan denied her the chance like the whole comic book thing) my poor rep is due people who have nothing better to do than talk garbage-both of which has costed me a great deal of happiness. going back to the comics-she needed those comics-those heroes-as i did-that was her chance...logan ruined that-she needed something to believe in-everyone needed the xmen to return-yes-even logan-rather he admits it on not.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Okay, I can see how you'd feel a level of empathy with Laura and her early life experiences.

 

[VENOM90]

Okay, I can see how you'd feel a level of empathy with Laura and her early life experiences.

which is why i know she still doesn't have a chance now that logan's dead-i'm not even too sure why laura even tried to escape from being used as as a weapon-all she did was kill-that's all she knew from start to finish. all laura was given was lectures-hypocritical lectures at that.....how long would you say logan was an xmen in that time line? from before things went bad til after?

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

.....how long would you say logan was an xmen in that time line? from before things went bad til after?

Difficult to say - there's still debate as to which timeline Logan takes place in. Logan did say to Charles that "The Statue of Liberty was a long time ago", but when exactly that was in whichever timeline this is, who knows. If it happened in the year 2000 (the year X1 was released in cinemas) then from then until the 'Westchester incident' I'd guess, which was when several X-Men were killed. IIRC the WI was supposedly a year before the events of Logan, and Logan is said to take place in 2029; so if that's right I think he'd have been an X-Man for around 28 years (bar any leaves of absence).

 

[VENOM90]

Difficult to say - there's still debate as to which timeline Logan takes place in. Logan did say to Charles that "The Statue of Liberty was a long time ago", but when exactly that was in whichever timeline this is, who knows. If it happened in the year 2000 (the year X1 was released in cinemas) then from then until the 'Westchester incident' I'd guess, which was when several X-Men were killed. IIRC the WI was supposedly a year before the events of Logan, and Logan is said to take place in 2029; so if that's right I think he'd have been an X-Man for around 28 years.

than that's long enough for him to know how to deal with kids-hell, i would've sworn he was a father before he lost his memory given how he handled rogue....but he all know better than that-which coincides with another issue i have-this so-called ''inner struggle that he supposedly has....i don't buy it-not if your assumption is right-especially because of the last vid i
showed you.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

But of course we have no way of knowing exactly what Logan's life experiences have been over that time - especially if this is yet another timeline as a lot of people believe.

 

[VENOM90]

But of course we have no way of knowing exactly what Logan's life experiences have been over that time - especially if this is yet another timeline as a lot of people believe.

but given the supposed time-i'm betting it had to be very similar-28 years is a long time-i'm fairly certain he learned the same lessons in that amount of time-the most important lesson-specifically for for logan and laura-the one charles thought to erik-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHksDAB9vOo

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

but given the supposed time-i'm betting it had to be very similar-28 years is a long time-i'm fairly certain he learned the same lessons in that amount of time-the most important lesson-specifically for for logan and laura-the one he change to erik-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHksDAB9vOo

Possibly. Doubt if we'll ever know the exact reasons, but the Logan in this film seems to be a very different person to the one we last saw at the end of Days of Future Past. To some that may seem a glaring inconsistency, for me it says life has been hard on him - at the very least over the six years since DoFP, possibly a lot longer if it's a whole new timeline. To be honest I'd be surprised if it ever gets an explanation. Even if we get a film in the same continuity as Logan following the adventures of X-23 I can't see they'd delve any further into Logan's history. His story seems done.

 

[VENOM90]

Possibly. Doubt if we'll ever know the exact reasons, but the Logan in this film seems to be a very different person to the one we last saw at the end of Days of Future Past. To some that may seem a glaring inconsistency, for me it says life has been hard on him - at the very least over the six years since DoFP, possibly a lot longer if it's a whole new timeline. To be honest I'd be surprised if it ever gets an explanation. Even if we get a film in the same continuity as Logan following the adventures of X-23 I can't see they'd delve any further into Logan's history. His story seems done.

i can't argue that-unfortunately, it makes it worse. personally, i feel this movie was a big mistake-for reasons i've already stated-and given how it is in a different universe. were things were handled my way-these issues would've been avoided and more money would've been made-here's my complete idea: i think Apocalypse should've been the last movie-here's what i would've done thing: remained pg13, I'd keep the beginning the same-they personality of Logan was just right AT THE BEGINNING-would have had the depressing tone slowly lifting after Laura comes gets introduced. Logan was given a golden opportunity to lead the next generation of xmen and bring honor to his family and complete Charles's dream. I would've had Logan act heroically as he did in the past films, had him make better decisions, kept Logan and Charles alive, had a new school built in edan. After that-show wolverine and the new xmen bring down the corrupt systems that created the current mess, and finally ended it with the apocalypse-where after the battle-mutants and humans can finally coexist-ended it with Logan given a speech to warn all threats the xmen will always be ready: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMOVs2VHEtUed" that would've been the perfect ending to series