Logan Does the events of "Logan" ruin "Days of Future Past" for you?

[batfreakforever]

Wow. Just wow. The timeline is pretty simple and it amazes me how many need things explaining.

 

[Mutant 77]

it was said a month ago you had trouble leviting a book across the room now when you have a dream whole room shakes.

Indeed. He was just pointing at her power progress. Fluctuations.

 

[Mutant 77]

What if "Logan" is set in the Original Timeline, Timeline One (1 out of 3):​

1983: X-Men Origins
2004: X-Men 1
2004: X2
2005: The Last Stand
2029: Logan​

This would also explain why the mysterious mutant went back in the past (1903 or so) and thus created the second timeline/First Class Soft-Reboot...​

1962: First Class
Origins + Trilogy revised/altered
2011: The Wolverine
2023: DOFP Bleak Future​

And then, Wolvie time travels as well...

1962: First Class
1973: DOFP
1983: Apocalypse
2016: Deadpool
2023: DOFP Happy Future

I think this theory works beautifully!!!!!!​

 

[Gieferg]

Do we need that in every thread on every message board though?


Back on topic:
It is Alien 3 all over again. I loved it then, I love it now

 

[Golgo-13]

What if "Logan" is set in the Original Timeline, Timeline One (1 out of 3):​

1983: X-Men Origins
2004: X-Men 1
2004: X2
2005: The Last Stand
2029: Logan​

This would also explain why the mysterious mutant went back in the past (1903 or so) and thus created the second timeline/First Class Soft-Reboot...​

1962: First Class
Origins + Trilogy revised/altered
2011: The Wolverine
2023: DOFP Bleak Future​

And then, Wolvie time travels as well...

1962: First Class
1973: DOFP
1983: Apocalypse
2016: Deadpool
2023: DOFP Happy Future

I think this theory works beautifully!!!!!!​

Mysterious mutant travelling back..?

 

[Weather Witch]

Mysterious mutant travelling back..?

A theory that Supperhero made to up to ensure that there are no more continuity errors in the movies. By saying that there we are now on our third timeline instead of the second.

 

[Golgo-13]

^Ah.

 

[Mutant 77]

Mysterious mutant travelling back..?

Yeah.
First Class is a soft reboot.
Many characters' birthdays have been altered, despite they were born before 1973, the DOFP "point of divergence".
Basically, the events of DOFP altered an already-modified timeline.

 

[Hmarrs]

Sorry for me it does...
After Xmen-3 I was disappointed DOFP seem to fix everything and if the Original team were going to go out it should have been on that note.Perfect ending to a perfect run.I was actually hoping they would make new Movies with the Original team at least 2 or 3 more after DOFP.
However if not then that should have been it.
Now I'm left the horrible taste of Death and Depression.

 

[AlluAllu]

Haven't seen Logan yet, but this is how I assume the timelines go now based on what I've read

Timeline One (the First Class soft reboot timeline):
• 1962 = X-Men: First Class
• 2000 = (avo)X-Men
• 2003 = (avo)X2: X-Men United
• 2006 = (avo)X-Men: The Last Stand
• 2013 = The Wolverine
• 2015 = The Wolverine After Credits Scene
• 2023 = X-Men: Days of Future Past (Future scenes)

Timeline Two (divergence from Timeline One):
• 1962 = X-Men: First Class
• 1973 = X-Men: Days of Future Past (Past Scenes)
• 1983 = X-Men: Apocalypse
• 2014 - 2015 = Deadpool
• 2023 = X-Men: Days of Future Past (New Future)

______________________________________________
Timeline X (timeline where the continuity errors created by First Class don't exist):
• Charles and Erik meet when they were 17
• Erik helps build cerebro
• Charles gets in wheelchair and Erik goes rogue post-1980s
• 2000 = X-Men
• 2003 = X2: X-Men United
• No more Mutant births 25 years before the events of Logan
• 2006 = X-Men: The Last Stand
• 2013 = The Wolverine (Ending with the classic suit)
• Years of adventures until the Westchester Incident
• 2029 = Logan

Oh, and X-Men Origins: Wolverine goes somewhere, idk

("avo" = A variation of)

This is my favorite theory.

 

[Hmarrs]

What if "Logan" is set in the Original Timeline, Timeline One (1 out of 3):​

1983: X-Men Origins
2004: X-Men 1
2004: X2
2005: The Last Stand
2029: Logan​

This would also explain why the mysterious mutant went back in the past (1903 or so) and thus created the second timeline/First Class Soft-Reboot...​

1962: First Class
Origins + Trilogy revised/altered
2011: The Wolverine
2023: DOFP Bleak Future​

And then, Wolvie time travels as well...

1962: First Class
1973: DOFP
1983: Apocalypse
2016: Deadpool
2023: DOFP Happy Future

I think this theory works beautifully!!!!!!​

God bless you for that...I love that...And your right Ill pick my own Timeling...
Logan is before the Altered DOFP....Makes sense why their wouldnt be any mutants left the Sentinals killed them all...
Done it ends on the DOFR note.THANK YOU!!!!

 

[Gieferg]

Except the sentinels wasn't the reason of mutant extinction in "Logan".

I was actually hoping they would make new Movies with the Original team at least 2 or 3 more.

APocalypse would probably have been better being an original cast movie. It's almost impossible it could have been worse...

 

[Donner]

od bless you for that...I love that...And your right Ill pick my own Timeling...
Logan is before the Altered DOFP....Makes sense why their wouldnt be any mutants left the Sentinals killed them all...
Done it ends on the DOFR note.THANK YOU!!!!

Can't be. Logan takes places in 2029. The future scenes of DOFP take place in 2023.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

this is why I kinda don't like that they gave the movie an actual year, movies like this are better left open to interpretation in term when its set...

even with that said, people are focusing on the fact that the X-men only got another 6 years after the DOFP ending, but people are forgetting that by fixing the timeline they gained an extra 10 years (20 for Jean and Scott, who no longer died in early 200?) of life before that ending (were they weren't hunted down by sentinels, anyway) if the sentinel take over started around 2013 (as suggested in TW)

I mean, still sucks an all, but, 16-26 years of extra life is better then nothing... its not like I look back at DOFP and think why bother

Yeah if I heard correctly only 7 people died in the Westchester incident and not all of them were X-Men members

any speculation/theory's on who the 7 were?

You are forgetting Deadpool, the X-Men TV shows, X-Force and who knows if a Laura movie is next in line.

if all these our set in the present they still have 10 years before they catch up to that timeline

QUOTE=pr0xyt0xin;34885107]I'd say... not really. Because now I know both timelines end in failure and now I want to see Cable come along and start a new timeline.

I'll be honest, I don't really buy the 2029 thing. I would have said mid 2030s. Logan and Charles are *substantially* older than in the ending to DoFP. 10 years minimum. And how many mutants died off in the course of only 6 years? Nah. No way. That would be hundreds of millions of deaths a year. The economy would collapse. Things would be in chaos for the humans too. I say it happened way slower. 2035-ish. The radio talk show was a recording. Logan is ~200 years old. Charles is ~100.

Which means DoFP bought the planet about 20 years of peace. And mutant-kind saved humanity from themselves. Pretty poetic.[/QUOTE]

Haven't seen Logan yet, but this is how I assume the timelines go now based on what I've read

Timeline One (the First Class soft reboot timeline):
• 1962 = X-Men: First Class
• 2000 = (avo)X-Men
• 2003 = (avo)X2: X-Men United
• 2006 = (avo)X-Men: The Last Stand
• 2013 = The Wolverine
• 2015 = The Wolverine After Credits Scene
• 2023 = X-Men: Days of Future Past (Future scenes)

Timeline Two (divergence from Timeline One):
• 1962 = X-Men: First Class
• 1973 = X-Men: Days of Future Past (Past Scenes)
• 1983 = X-Men: Apocalypse
• 2014 - 2015 = Deadpool
• 2023 = X-Men: Days of Future Past (New Future)

______________________________________________
Timeline X (timeline where the continuity errors created by First Class don't exist):
• Charles and Erik meet when they were 17
• Erik helps build cerebro
• Charles gets in wheelchair and Erik goes rogue post-1980s
• 2000 = X-Men
• 2003 = X2: X-Men United
• No more Mutant births 25 years before the events of Logan
• 2006 = X-Men: The Last Stand
• 2013 = The Wolverine (Ending with the classic suit)
• Years of adventures until the Westchester Incident
• 2029 = Logan

Oh, and X-Men Origins: Wolverine goes somewhere, idk

("avo" = A variation of)

the only thing I'd probably change about this is the time between event of X-men - TLS... theory's on how much time past after each movie varies but, I doubt there was more then a year between each event, let alone 3... I'd say all 3 movie took place over the course of a year or 2 at best

 

[Warhammer]

Why are people assuming Logan is in a timeline of its own because Liberty Island is referenced? DOFP erased the original timeline. However, the proper assumption would be that between X:A and the future ending of DOFP, Liberty Island still happened. It is ripples in time. Some things ended up still happening albeit a bit differently.

Granted, it's stupid as hell since Mystique is a full blown member of the X-Men by the end of X:A and Xavier clearly knew that Magneto had a helmet that blocks out telepathy but...

...whatever. FOX didn't give a damn about their timelines. We shouldn't either.

 

[JP]

Answer is "No"

Watched DoFP last night and was actually touched by the ending even more

 

[Weather Witch]

Answer is "No"

Watched DoFP last night and was actually touched by the ending even more

That's very interesting to me. May I ask why? Because of the fact that this time they at least get some happiness for a little while?

 

[marvelrobbins]

Answer is "No"

Watched DoFP last night and was actually touched by the ending even more

logan really plays off what beast said in DOFP and what both singer and kinberg said.you can throw peeble but eventully it corrects itself.while they prevented the future with sentles they faced another dark future.

I really hope they resist the tempation to just say cable in deadpool erased logan

Spoiler

seven mutants were killed in westchester incdent but we don't know who.it was said some were X-men.it doesn't mean all 7 were X-Men.plus with rice now dead that means mutants likely will resume being born naturly

X-force on film could very easily be replacement for X_Men in future set films post logan with X-23 replacing wolverine.meanwhile the adventres of X-men can continue in films set between end of apocalypse and future ending of DOFP

 

[Weather Witch]

logan really plays off what beast said in DOFP and what both singer and kinberg said.you can throw peeble but eventully it corrects itself.while they prevented the future with sentles they faced another dark future.

I really hope they resist the tempation to just say cable in deadpool erased logan

Spoiler

seven mutants were killed in westchester incdent but we don't know who.it was said some were X-men.it doesn't mean all 7 were X-Men.plus with rice now dead that means mutants likely will resume being born naturly

X-force on film could very easily be replacement for X_Men in future set films post logan with X-23 replacing wolverine.meanwhile the adventres of X-men can continue in films set between end of apocalypse and future ending of DOFP

I agree with all of the above.

 

[marvelrobbins]

That's very interesting to me. May I ask why? Because of the fact that this time they at least get some happiness for a little while?

it's very true to comics X_men never get happyness for too long.

 

[Weather Witch]

it's very true to comics X_men never get happyness for too long.

Oh it is and I personally really like that, but I was wondering why in particular JP thought that the ending was even stronger now.

 

[Donner]

http://xmenmovies.wikia.com/wiki/Logan_(film)

Hugh Jackman suggested in an interview following the release of the second trailer that Logan will take place in a different universe than the revised timeline, similar to how the original comic, Old Man Logan took place in a separate timeline from Earth 616. However, James Mangold confirmed that Logan will take place in the revised timeline. Patrick Stewart furthered this in an interview with Comicbook.com, stating "It's not another timeline, it's not another universe. The world has just...moved on, and we've been left behind".

So it sounds like Logan is supposed to take place after the happy future ending of DOFP.

 

[Weather Witch]

So it sounds like Logan is supposed to take place after the happy future ending of DOFP.

Yeah that's been the official word all along. Except when the 'feels like a different universe' stuff was ripped completely out of context that is.

 

[Mutant 77]

TIMELINE "L" - The Alternate Universe of "Logan".

1939: Charles Xavier is born.
1832: James Howlett is born.
1845: James kills his father, John. He joins Victor Creed.
1945: Japan. 9th August. James Logan saves Ichiro Yashida at Nagasaki.
1983: An alternate version of the events of "X-MEN ORIGINS: WOLVERINE" play out. Zander Rice's father is slaughtered by Logan.
1989: Transigen starts its program to stop mutations.
2004: Mutant births in the world stop.
An alternate version of the events of "X-MEN" play out. The X-Men are regarded as popular superheroes.
An alternate version of "X2" play out.
2005: An alternate version of the events of "X-MEN: THE LAST STAND" play out. Xavier is not destroyed by Phoenix. Magneto loses his powers forever.
2011: An alternate version of the events of "THE WOLVERINE" play out. In this version, Wolverine don't lose his adamantium claws.
2018: Laura Kinney/X-23 is created.
2020s: The Westchester Incident.
2029: "LOGAN".

 

[Donner]

TIMELINE "L" - The Alternate Universe of "Logan".

1832: James Howlett is born.
1845: James kills his father, John. He joins Victor Creed.
1945: Japan. 9th August. James Logan saves Ichiro Yashida at Nagasaki.
1983: An alternate version of the events of "X-MEN ORIGINS: WOLVERINE" play out. Zander Rice's father is slaughtered by Logan.
2004: Mutant births in the world stop.
An alternate version of the events of "X-MEN" play out. The X-Men are regarded as popular superheroes.
An alternate version of "X2" play out.
2005: An alternate version of the events of "X-MEN: THE LAST STAND" play out. Xavier is not destroyed by Phoenix. Magneto loses his powers forever.
2011: An alternate version of the events of "THE WOLVERINE" play out. In this version, Wolverine don't lose his adamantium claws.
2018: Laura Kinney/X-23 is created.
2020s: The Westchester Incident.
2029: "LOGAN".

There's no need. It's not a different universe. Fox just doesn't care about continuity.