Superman Returns Don't act like an idiot, Lois, you already know who Superman is!

[raybia]

was there ever an explanation how the doctors in the hospital just ripped off supes suit so easily yet it can with stand hundreds of bullets? or is it just something else where suppose to just ignore.

His Kryptonian aura protects the suit.

 

[chicagodave]

so how many suits does he have or does that suit repair itself? cuz when he leaves the hospital to see the kid the suit is all fine.

 

[Im Ron Burgundy]

so how many suits does he have or does that suit repair itself? cuz when he leaves the hospital to see the kid the suit is all fine.

I'm betting the suit repairs itself by regenerating. I think like most things kryptonian the suit is made out of crystals. That's why there is so much texture on it.

 

[casketmouth]

I'm betting the suit repairs itself by regenerating. I think like most things kryptonian the suit is made out of crystals. That's why there is so much texture on it.

would be cool if they explained that IN the movie by the way. So so long as it wasn't IN the movie, then it didn't happen hence forth adding onto the abismal amount of holes and flaws in that frickin movie

 

[Thot]

Holes, holes and more plot holes. SR needs to find the nearest drain hole and go down it! Wait, checking the box-office it's already happening! The whole Lois thing is dumb and disturbing in SR. Supes leaves and she jumps right into the sack with Richard. Supes returns and she treats him like crap (no benefit of the doubt there). She hides the fact that Jason is his (shudder), and apparently leads Richard to think he's his! THEN she reveals the truth to him as he lay comatose in the hospital (******ed). Sure, we could debate what Lois did and didn't "remember" vis a vis Superman II, but it just goes to show what a mess Singer made of the whole freakin' thing.

 

[nogster]

Again, I just feel that you guys are missing the point that the kryptonite+the effort KILLED HIM. He succumbed to the kryptonite. He WAS NOT ABLE TO OVERCOME THE EFFECTS. THE KRYPTONITE KILLED HIM. You guys are acting like Supes threw the island into space, dustedhis hands off, then went and had a cheeseburger. He didnt do that. HE DIED.
It was the last, desperate act of a man trying to save those he loved. His love for Lois and possibly the kid lead him to do things he would not have been able to do before. Remember, Singer said this is a LOVE story above all else. I am not defending Singer's vision, I am simply telling you how Supes was able to do what he did.
Again, HE DIDNT "IGNORE" THE EFFECTS OF THE KRYPTONITE. It killed him.

no.its u that is missing the point. he shouldnt of been able to do what he did under the effects of kryptonite. esspecially that he had a shard inside him still. superman has no power around it. AS PROVEN by the lex beating. u are ignoring this glaring contradiction.
i could accept it if they didnt include the shard still in him as it was his ultimate sacrifce yadda yadda and for the most part he was protected by the earth but once u realize that he had kryptonite in him THE WHOLE TIME. even before he solar powered up. well.. its just ridiculous. the film established the rules of supermans weakness to kryptonite with the very good lex bashing scene then ignores that and expects us to as well.
well sorry. i am not a blindly devoted fanboy.
this film missed its chance to capture a new generation of superman fans with a stupid story filled with gaping holes.

 

[not_a_victim]

Nogster,
Ok, lets try this one more time, then I give up on you.
1. Lex was able to make Supes his B**** because there was a LARGE piece of K'nite in him.
2. This was some form of modified K'nite. Remember at the core of the piece that Lex put in the ocean was that crystal from the FOS. Obviously this changed the nature of the K'nite, as he was able to land on the island, and walk around a while before the effects really hit him.
3. You are completely ingoring the Messianic overtones of the character, and this movie. He sacrificed himself. HE KNEW HE WAS GOING TO DIE.
4. Like I siad before, there is a huge difference between physiological death, and psychological death. When I was in the academy, we watched real footage of cops who died both ways. One video showed a cop who took a very non-leathal shot to the upper right shoulder. All he could think about was the FACT that he was shot, not WHERE he was shot. His mind simply told him he as shot, so he should lay down and die, and he did. From a non-lethal wound. Then there is a video of a cop who was shot three times in the abdomen on a traffic stop (no vest). He got pissed off that he had been shot, and he got back into his cruiser and chased the car as it fled. The bad guy eventually stopped, the cop ran up, subdued him, arrested him, and only then called for an ambulance for himself.
See the difference between physiological death and physical death?
Now, in a way we agree. You just think that the K'nite should have had more of an immediate affect, as established in the first movie. I am saying that for some reason, THIS version of k'nite had a delayed effect, which allowed him to do what he did, as established by the fact that he could walk around on the island for a while before feeling the effects of the K'nite.

 

[not_a_victim]

was there ever an explanation how the doctors in the hospital just ripped off supes suit so easily yet it can with stand hundreds of bullets? or is it just something else where suppose to just ignore.

I beleive the doctor unzipped it. That is what his hand motion looked like. Comic book physics aside, Supes has to have a way of getting into it.

 

[nogster]

Nogster,
Ok, lets try this one more time, then I give up on you.
1. Lex was able to make Supes his B**** because there was a LARGE piece of K'nite in him.
2. This was some form of modified K'nite. Remember at the core of the piece that Lex put in the ocean was that crystal from the FOS. Obviously this changed the nature of the K'nite, as he was able to land on the island, and walk around a while before the effects really hit him.
3. You are completely ingoring the Messianic overtones of the character, and this movie. He sacrificed himself. HE KNEW HE WAS GOING TO DIE.
4. Like I siad before, there is a huge difference between physiological death, and psychological death. When I was in the academy, we watched real footage of cops who died both ways. One video showed a cop who took a very non-leathal shot to the upper right shoulder. All he could think about was the FACT that he was shot, not WHERE he was shot. His mind simply told him he as shot, so he should lay down and die, and he did. From a non-lethal wound. Then there is a video of a cop who was shot three times in the abdomen on a traffic stop (no vest). He got pissed off that he had been shot, and he got back into his cruiser and chased the car as it fled. The bad guy eventually stopped, the cop ran up, subdued him, arrested him, and only then called for an ambulance for himself.
See the difference between physiological death and physical death?
Now, in a way we agree. You just think that the K'nite should have had more of an immediate affect, as established in the first movie. I am saying that for some reason, THIS version of k'nite had a delayed effect, which allowed him to do what he did, as established by the fact that he could walk around on the island for a while before feeling the effects of the K'nite.

not a victim, your arguement is made up of hypothetical reasonings. u are making stuff up to defend this contradiction in the film.

u say that lex kicked his ass because supes had a LARGE piece of kryptonite in him.??
u are incorrect. pay more attention to the film. supes was lex's ***** before lex even stabbed him. lex only stabbed him after he and his cronies pounded on him for a while. and to give him the death blow so that throws out your argument, as the film clearly explains to us that supes is weak and powerless around kryptonite.

the film explains to us that its modified kryptonite. but this does not mean it has any less effect on supes. as evidenced by again lex and co's beating and the fact that his hands were burning, like acid form the kryptonite ground. he then lifts this island into space with a shard of kryptonite in him. cmon??
everyone i have spoken too has agreed that its a stupid flaw. 1 among many. it seems to me that some people are willing to ignore this due to undying fanboy love. fair enough.

 

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

**** fan love..maybe its because they enjoyed the movie..

at the end of the day..its a movie where you suspend your belief.. some of you are over analising the movie.. and that ruined your experiance..some of you spent to much time watch ing the movie to point out the flaws instead of just watching the movie.. thats one of the reasons people who don't follow the man of steel enjoyed the movie..they didn't nit pick everything.

it wasn't singer that ruined this movie..it was yourselfs.

 

[joke]

at the end of the day..its a movie where you suspend your belief.. some of you are over analising the movie.. and that ruined your experiance..some of you spent to much time watch ing the movie to point out the flaws instead of just watching the movie..

Don't pull that ****, Robocop. Don't say "Ignore all the glaring errors because it's a Superman movie after all this time", it's just stupid. The movie had flaws, people noticed them.

thats one of the reasons people who don't follow the man of steel enjoyed the movie..they didn't nit pick everything.

Can't be sure, but I'd say the people, who don't follow Superman, read the comics etc. were the majority of the viewers. And since they surely didn't see any flaws/think there was anything wrong with the movie, why the lackluster boxoffice take?

 

[nogster]

man i wanted to love this film. i was pumped to see it and promoted it every chance i got. i was sure this film would pull what POTC at the box office. i mean its superman returning to the big screen!!!
i was expecting an awesome movie that would be right up there with my fav movies of all time.
the cast was good [bar lois],
singer had a good rep and i enjoyed and own both xmen films. the anticipation was huge for me.
but the film dissapointed me greatly.
because the story IMO was terrible. i left the cinema somewhat satisfied. i did enjoy the film, but after thought, its gaping plot holes and the direction it took started to grate on me.
it just wasnt good enough for a "superman" motion picture. the character and his universe deserved a better film.

 

[Im Ron Burgundy]

You know what, nogster? You're right. That was completely illogical. I mean, have you ever seen ANY OTHER movie where the hero does something he shouldn't be able to do through sheer determination?

Poppycock, I say!

 

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Don't pull that ****, Robocop. Don't say "Ignore all the glaring errors because it's a Superman movie after all this time", it's just stupid. The movie had flaws, people noticed them.

I never said ignore them..i said people spent to much time looking for them..read what i ****ing typed.

Can't be sure, but I'd say the people, who don't follow Superman, read the comics etc. were the majority of the viewers. And since they surely didn't see any flaws/think there was anything wrong with the movie, why the lackluster boxoffice take?

A question we can't answer..i just offerd an suggestion

 

[Showtime]

You know what, nogster? You're right. That was completely illogical. I mean, have you ever seen ANY OTHER movie where the hero does something he shouldn't be able to do through sheer determination?

Poppycock, I say!

I hope you are being sarcastic you mustached freak.

 

[casketmouth]

Nogster,
Ok, lets try this one more time, then I give up on you.
1. Lex was able to make Supes his B**** because there was a LARGE piece of K'nite in him.
2. This was some form of modified K'nite. Remember at the core of the piece that Lex put in the ocean was that crystal from the FOS. Obviously this changed the nature of the K'nite, as he was able to land on the island, and walk around a while before the effects really hit him.
3. You are completely ingoring the Messianic overtones of the character, and this movie. He sacrificed himself. HE KNEW HE WAS GOING TO DIE.
4. Like I siad before, there is a huge difference between physiological death, and psychological death. When I was in the academy, we watched real footage of cops who died both ways. One video showed a cop who took a very non-leathal shot to the upper right shoulder. All he could think about was the FACT that he was shot, not WHERE he was shot. His mind simply told him he as shot, so he should lay down and die, and he did. From a non-lethal wound. Then there is a video of a cop who was shot three times in the abdomen on a traffic stop (no vest). He got pissed off that he had been shot, and he got back into his cruiser and chased the car as it fled. The bad guy eventually stopped, the cop ran up, subdued him, arrested him, and only then called for an ambulance for himself.
See the difference between physiological death and physical death?
Now, in a way we agree. You just think that the K'nite should have had more of an immediate affect, as established in the first movie. I am saying that for some reason, THIS version of k'nite had a delayed effect, which allowed him to do what he did, as established by the fact that he could walk around on the island for a while before feeling the effects of the K'nite.

yeah but he didn't die... oh and why did he risk his life?? The planet didn nothing but cause an earthquake that had been handled. The Island was one of the dumbest ideas ever conceived by a villain in any movie.

 

[C. Lee]

so how many suits does he have or does that suit repair itself? cuz when he leaves the hospital to see the kid the suit is all fine.

Kryptonian nano technology.

 

[chicagodave]

man i wanted to love this film. i was pumped to see it and promoted it every chance i got. i was sure this film would pull what POTC at the box office. i mean its superman returning to the big screen!!!
i was expecting an awesome movie that would be right up there with my fav movies of all time.
the cast was good [bar lois],
singer had a good rep and i enjoyed and own both xmen films. the anticipation was huge for me.
but the film dissapointed me greatly.
because the story IMO was terrible. i left the cinema somewhat satisfied. i did enjoy the film, but after thought, its gaping plot holes and the direction it took started to grate on me.
it just wasnt good enough for a "superman" motion picture. the character and his universe deserved a better film.

this is the best post in this whole forum. this sums up everything exactly as it is. this movie should have been already at 250 mill and not barely scratching 200. at my local cinema they only have 1 theater showing it and only a few times during the day. "little man" has more showings than superman does. that is absurd. the people on these boards and on the bt boards seemed to be blinded that they finally got their superman movie after 20 years of waiting. yes its a good movie but it could have been 100 times better and it wasnt. nogster's post says it all.

 

[Bibs11]

at the end of superman 2. clark gives lois a kiss which wipes her memory of them being together and her knowing he is superman.

and..this opens up a whole new can of worms.
if she didnt know she slept with superman, how come she doesnt FREAK OUT THAT HER SON IS SUPERMANS!?!?!
stupid film. it has flaws everywhere.

Who said that the only time they got romantic was during Superman 2? There could have been dozens of other times between the end of that movie and Supes left for Krypton...

 

[Immortalfire]

Originally Posted by chicagodave
so how many suits does he have or does that suit repair itself? cuz when he leaves the hospital to see the kid the suit is all fine.

TEH FORCE!!!!

 

[chicagodave]

Who said that the only time they got romantic was during Superman 2? There could have been dozens of other times between the end of that movie and Supes left for Krypton...

yes but we cant start speculating about what did or did not happen. we could only go by what we saw or heard in the movie.

 

[Im Ron Burgundy]

The Island was one of the dumbest ideas ever conceived by a villain in any movie.

Do you really mean that?

 

[nogster]

You know what, nogster? You're right. That was completely illogical. I mean, have you ever seen ANY OTHER movie where the hero does something he shouldn't be able to do through sheer determination?

Poppycock, I say!

i feel like a broken record.
i understand the sheer determination. the force of will yadda yadda. i get that. the film lays that on thick. but pay attention to the sequence of events and the film clearly contradicts its own rules it established about the powermuting effects of kryptonite. its right there on screen.
he gets beaten to a pulp on the island. completley helpless and powerlesshe then gets stabbed and lodged with kryptonite and left to drown and die. [a very good scene, shocking even].
then lois saves him. she pulls out the shard, the viewers are decieved into thinking its all of it as supes gets up immediatley ala superman the movie, shakes off effects then flies away to sacrifice himself.
its all there on the screen. for supes to be able to fly off with kryptonite still in him is totally against the rules established by this movie and everything that superman is established on. its his only achilles heel. the filmmakers ignored this just so they could have supes go jesus on us. it was badly written.
as i said. i love superheros, i can overlook all the other scientific flaws that all superhero films have. batmans microwave emmiter. superman reversing time, hulks pants staying the same, the krypton island not causing a MASSIVE tsunami when supes lifts it out of the ocean. etc etc but every other superman medium that i have read or watched, including superman returns, tells us that superman is useless around kryptonite. it is at the core essense of the character. he is invulnerable to anything but this substance. this film clearly shows evidence on this, then contradicts itself completley with him showing more power than he showed the entire movie while not only being surrounded by it, but by having a shard inside him that we were led to believe was taken out.
thats my point. and i wont say it again. if some of u people can overlook this films glaring faults just because its a superman movie, well kudos to u.

 

[DareDemon]

This movie really isn't hard to understand. Nothing is too far out there. My friend's 7th grade brother grasped the movie better than the fanboys out there. I'm disgusted.

 

[Im Ron Burgundy]

This movie really isn't hard to understand. Nothing is too far out there. My friend's 7th grade brother grasped the movie better than the fanboys out there. I'm disgusted.

It's a good thing they barely leave the house!