Rise of the Silver Surfer DR. DOOM/Julian McMahon Discussion

Ahem, my deep personal Doom analysis. Originally written for a different, non-FF website but anyways...

Doom was handled VERY, VERY well in this movie. The first time we see him is a glimpse BUT it's made awesome because first we see a tiny mediaevil village with a castle on a hill behind it and a caption informs us that this is "HASSENSTADT- LATVERIA". This in itself is BRILLIANT! It's Latveria! It looks EXACTLY like the comics for this second! And he has a CASTLE! Already we're fifty times more Doom-like than movie one! And Doom hasn't even done anything! AND THEY GOT THE LATVERIAN CAPITAL'S NAME RIGHT!

Second appearance, he kills a minion. Of course he does. He's Doctor Doom. Again, So Doom-like- kills a minion for being too slow. In fact Darth Freaking Vader riffed this from Doom.

Third is the best so far. We see lots of monitors, TV screens displaying events, the Surfer etc... and in the centre of all this, in a chair at a control pad, rotating is the green hooded and caped figure of Doctor Doom! AWESOME! VERY COMIC-LIKE! Only slightly spoiled by his lack of a mask.

Cut to later. Blah blah, Doom gets owned by the Surfer, blah. After healing, returns in human form. His scenes in this form are many and...er...distracting. Okay so I dislike him being in human., His dialogue is good ("Just so we're clear, I hate you all.") He no longer loves Sue which is a big plus, and little use of electricity. He's too much of a lackey in this section but he has his own scheme. He's also blatantly evil. I'm serious, the guy should be twirling a moustache. He's making his own devices in the corner, standing there practically knitting his fingers together in glee and cackling. It's great!

Then the main event. Whoah, ZAPS the General and his aides. We cut away and when we cut back... YES! DOOM IS IN THE ARMOUR! OH YES! Not perfect comic accurate but EXTREMELY close, with a very personal touch and he's- GAH! It's just DOCTOR DOOM on the screen for the first time! Gets on the Surfboard, disintegrates the general and away he goes. Cue BRILLIANT air battle as Doom throws the great wall of China at them and totally owns the F4 while in awesome outfit. He also speaks little, which is a big plus after "Marco... Polo!" in movie one.

AND THEN IT HAPPENS!

Reed: "Victor! We have to get the surfboard! You have to-"
Doom: "Come and get it, RICHARDS!"

RICHARDS! HE SAID RICHARDS! HE SAID RICHARDS! OH YES! HE SAID IT! At this exact moment I know.... this is Doom. All is well. He flies around more, causes more chaos, has a brilliant part where he totally owns them all again while saying "Time for a spin!" which actually works as a quip. He is then defeated in an EXTREMELY undignified way. There is a cool but way too short battle with super-powered-up Johnny, he loses the board, gets smacked by a wrecking ball and falls into a river. And never mentioned again. Ah well, it was good while it lasted.

So for Doom alone, the movie gets a 9 out of 10. For just the last ten minutes. Sure it was way too short but it was DOOM. Now if he returns again he can return as full Doom from the start! Hassenstadt! Monitors watching things! Behind the scenes plotting! betrayals! Power stealing! RICHARDS! IT'S DOCTOR FREAKING DOOM, BABY! After the crap Norman Osborn rip-off of movie one we are at the real things. The only disappointment here was his lack of much motive beyond "Get power. Kill 4." He's also still a bit 2d and does not yet rule Latveria but he's getting there.

So I want to see him return in 3 now. Preferably return by stepping into the UN in full armour, already Lord of Latveria. But this was MUCH better than I anticipated even after the novel.

:doom: :doom: :doom:

You couldn't have put it more perfectly...I feel EXACTLY the same way about the sequel and what the future holds for Doom....but he said RICHARDS...that means a lot...a heck of a lot!!
 
Ahem, my deep personal Doom analysis. Originally written for a different, non-FF website but anyways...

Doom was handled VERY, VERY well in this movie. The first time we see him is a glimpse BUT it's made awesome because first we see a tiny mediaevil village with a castle on a hill behind it and a caption informs us that this is "HASSENSTADT- LATVERIA". This in itself is BRILLIANT! It's Latveria! It looks EXACTLY like the comics for this second! And he has a CASTLE! Already we're fifty times more Doom-like than movie one! And Doom hasn't even done anything! AND THEY GOT THE LATVERIAN CAPITAL'S NAME RIGHT!

Second appearance, he kills a minion. Of course he does. He's Doctor Doom. Again, So Doom-like- kills a minion for being too slow. In fact Darth Freaking Vader riffed this from Doom.

Third is the best so far. We see lots of monitors, TV screens displaying events, the Surfer etc... and in the centre of all this, in a chair at a control pad, rotating is the green hooded and caped figure of Doctor Doom! AWESOME! VERY COMIC-LIKE! Only slightly spoiled by his lack of a mask.

Cut to later. Blah blah, Doom gets owned by the Surfer, blah. After healing, returns in human form. His scenes in this form are many and...er...distracting. Okay so I dislike him being in human., His dialogue is good ("Just so we're clear, I hate you all.") He no longer loves Sue which is a big plus, and little use of electricity. He's too much of a lackey in this section but he has his own scheme. He's also blatantly evil. I'm serious, the guy should be twirling a moustache. He's making his own devices in the corner, standing there practically knitting his fingers together in glee and cackling. It's great!

Then the main event. Whoah, ZAPS the General and his aides. We cut away and when we cut back... YES! DOOM IS IN THE ARMOUR! OH YES! Not perfect comic accurate but EXTREMELY close, with a very personal touch and he's- GAH! It's just DOCTOR DOOM on the screen for the first time! Gets on the Surfboard, disintegrates the general and away he goes. Cue BRILLIANT air battle as Doom throws the great wall of China at them and totally owns the F4 while in awesome outfit. He also speaks little, which is a big plus after "Marco... Polo!" in movie one.

AND THEN IT HAPPENS!

Reed: "Victor! We have to get the surfboard! You have to-"
Doom: "Come and get it, RICHARDS!"

RICHARDS! HE SAID RICHARDS! HE SAID RICHARDS! OH YES! HE SAID IT! At this exact moment I know.... this is Doom. All is well. He flies around more, causes more chaos, has a brilliant part where he totally owns them all again while saying "Time for a spin!" which actually works as a quip. He is then defeated in an EXTREMELY undignified way. There is a cool but way too short battle with super-powered-up Johnny, he loses the board, gets smacked by a wrecking ball and falls into a river. And never mentioned again. Ah well, it was good while it lasted.

So for Doom alone, the movie gets a 9 out of 10. For just the last ten minutes. Sure it was way too short but it was DOOM. Now if he returns again he can return as full Doom from the start! Hassenstadt! Monitors watching things! Behind the scenes plotting! betrayals! Power stealing! RICHARDS! IT'S DOCTOR FREAKING DOOM, BABY! After the crap Norman Osborn rip-off of movie one we are at the real things. The only disappointment here was his lack of much motive beyond "Get power. Kill 4." He's also still a bit 2d and does not yet rule Latveria but he's getting there.

So I want to see him return in 3 now. Preferably return by stepping into the UN in full armour, already Lord of Latveria. But this was MUCH better than I anticipated even after the novel.

I also completely agree with this. I loved the movie, I loved the Surfer, I liked Galactus...but when Doom fit on his new suit and just all around kicked ass, I was in shock. I actually made quite a bit of noise because of my excitement. So yeah, it was good ol' Dr. Doom!
 
Last night, some guy was laughing hysterically in the theater when Hagar was killed...

-TNC
 
was egor who doom kills near the begining?

doom was badass in this movie dispite his limited screen time, if only the film had been a bit longer near the end, o well the great wall a china was cool as well as doom and johnnys fight
 
I enjoyed FF1.

FF2 should have been about FF and Doom, and then at the end you see the Silver Surfer coming so FF3 will be the Rise of the Silver Surfer. and the have to work together to get rid of Galactus and Silver Surfer or Surfer hepls do it. But the end of FF1, showed Doom would be back and that was the person you were waiting on!!! Not the Silver Surfer. I would have been fine if FF2 was done differently in that Surfer comes and Doom sees it but you show Doom at this time telling people in Latveria that he was going to save them and the world by Defeating the coming threat. Doom takes over latveria put secretly wants the surfer powers they all fight and some way Doom receives some of Silver Surfer powers, and at the end they all fight each other and team up on Galactus to save the planet. Even to the point that Doom is telling Galatus that "This is my planet and no one shall take it away from me. "The Earth belongs to Doom" they defeat Galactus by Silver Surfer Sacrifice. and after it seems like Doom and Fantastic 4 make a truce that he will live in latveria and nother bother them. They don't trust him but they agree. at the end Doom is running Latveria and you see him sitting on his throne with the power cosmic and people bowing to him and he says to himself now it is my time.

End

Then to the next movie and last FF3 Doomsday.

That's I would have had it those two ideas or even an outline.

That's how it should went.
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Smile Re: FANTASTIC FOUR: Rise of the Silver Surfer OFFICIAL R
 
Last night, some guy was laughing hysterically in the theater when Hagar was killed...

-TNC
That, was DOOM.

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Last night, some guy was laughing hysterically in the theater when Hagar was killed...

-TNC

Had to check for a moment to ensure you didn't go to the same cinema, or indeed, country, as me ;)

I may also have shouted "NO!" when Doom was hit by the wrecking ball.

Now... when will we have pictures, stills etc of Doom? We only have the same three or four images we've had forever, surely we'll get a few more plus clips etc ere long with the film actually OUT?
 
Now... when will we have pictures, stills etc of Doom? We only have the same three or four images we've had forever, surely we'll get a few more plus clips etc ere long with the film actually OUT?
Same here, now that the movie is out there should be alot more pictures out on him of either production stills or behind the scenes stuff.
 
I was really hoping that 10 seconds into the credits we'd see Doom wading ashore or something but instead we got the Surfer alive after all. :/
 
I was really hoping that 10 seconds into the credits we'd see Doom wading ashore or something but instead we got the Surfer alive after all. :/

I must admit, I was a little dissapointed there. Still all they have to show is that Doom had an aqua lung built into the armor, and it's a simple explanation.
 
Doom was definitely an improvement this time around. He was conniving, ruthless and even killed a few people with ease and without care. And the mask he put on was sweet.
 
Doom was definitely an improvement this time around. He was conniving, ruthless and even killed a few people with ease and without care. And the mask he put on was sweet.
Yeah that was great and i like how he got his mini revenge on the surfer for blasting him by shocking him.
 
Yeah, the mask was pretty sweet. And when he opened the box and first revealed the mask.. :eek:
 
doom owned in this film:D they should show him in his castle at the end of 3 watching the 4 and plotting revenge. then the 4th can have him taking over latveira ( marching into the un and what not lol)
 
I still say he should have had a scar. It seems he had no real reason to wear the armor other than to look cool and evil. It is not like he needed the armor with the power cosmic or to wear a wristband.

However, he was still awesome! I would love it if in FF3, we get the Latverian Dictator in all his glory!
 
Doom was more on par with "Full Doom" that Tim Story promised us, I was very pleased with him.
 
I still say he should have had a scar. It seems he had no real reason to wear the armor other than to look cool and evil. It is not like he needed the armor with the power cosmic or to wear a wristband.

However, he was still awesome! I would love it if in FF3, we get the Latverian Dictator in all his glory!
But he would look kinda silly riding the board with what clothe had on now.

Look at its the cosmic powered business man! lol.
 
But he would look kinda silly riding the board with what clothe had on now.

Look at its the cosmic powered business man! lol.

He would have, but there was no practical reason for the armor.

I am just saying a scar would have been nice and more fitting. Is that too much to ask for in a budget of 130 mil?
 
He would have, but there was no practical reason for the armor.

I am just saying a scar would have been nice and more fitting. Is that too much to ask for in a budget of 130 mil?
Yeah but if the Ss cured him all together cept one scar everyone would go ape**** with with plothole theorys.

Maybe he justed wanted to wear the armor to protect himself.
 
Yeah but if the Ss cured him all together cept one scar everyone would go ape**** with with plothole theorys.

Maybe he justed wanted to wear the armor to protect himself.

But, from what? He had the power cosmic. You couldn't shoot him or anything if you wanted to.

One scar would have been cool. It would have been more maddening for Doom to still have one.

As for plothole, I see this as a plothole! What would be the difference?

Doom was great except for this one thing, and some of his dialogue ("Nice"?).
 

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