Driving: Privilege or right?

[Speedin Bullet]

95% of the *******s out on the road don't need to be there. Talking on the cell and driving is not the best thing, shouldn't happen but it does. Texting while driving = you should be flogged. Anyone driving a crotch-rocket without a helmet is an automatic organ donor.

 

[Figs]

It's a privilege!

The fact that people try to argue that it's a right shows how F***ed up our society is.

 

[SuBe]

I agree it is a privilege, but your logic is skewed. I have the right to pursue happiness, as stated in the Decleration of Independence, but according to your post, it's not a right because it's not in the Constitution. And if the 10 rights listed in the Bill of Rights are God-given, show me their corrosponding verses in any religion's holy book. And then explain why different countries have different numbers of rights, and different rights in general.

Oh, and depending on the state you live in, yes, you do need a license to own a gun.

As far as I know, if you try to purchase any firearm that uses technology from the 1700's, like a black powder rifle (Muzzleloader) or black powder Pistol. You do not need to have a license. You don't even need a licesne for Shotguns. You do however need background checks for Handguns and possibly a permit. But not a license.

I'm not going to "show" you where in the the bible or whatever it says that these are "god" given rights. It is right there in the Constitution. And I only speak of the US constitition. I speak about rights from other countries as that has nothing to do with me:

From Declaration of Independace:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

This shows that the Founding Fathers thought was that the Rights were given by a Creator. That the Government and the Constitution do not Grant Rights, but they are from a Higher Power (and what ever that higher power is, is up to you) and that the Constitution only limited the Governments ability to take away rights.

 

[Hotwire]

It is a privilege. If it is not in the Constitution, it is not a Right. I know they didn't have cars back then, but all Rights are Basic and "god-given". It is a privilege, or you wouldn't have to get a license. You don't have to get a license to practice religon, or to speak, or to assemble or to own a weapon. You don't have to get a license, but if you want to drive, you have to. It's only fair.

Just wanted to point out what you said...

And how you backed it up...

From Declaration of Independace:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

I'm sure you realize these are not the same document.

Also, you made the statement that rights are "God-given" all I did was ask you to back that up, not simply dodge it by telling me what other people thought. And if rights are "God given" then those listed in our Constitution should apply to everyone, shouldn't they? Or did God just give them to Americans?

 

[SuBe]

Just wanted to point out what you said...

And how you backed it up...

I'm sure you realize these are not the same document.

Also, you made the statement that rights are "God-given" all I did was ask you to back that up, not simply dodge it by telling me what other people thought. And if rights are "God given" then those listed in our Constitution should apply to everyone, shouldn't they? Or did God just give them to Americans?

If those countries wish to have the same foundations set by their Constitutions then they can. The Constitution is not a Religous Document, it doesn't say that only Citizens of the United States have a right to be free. If they want, ****, go ahead and talk to them about it.

 

[Hotwire]

If those countries wish to have the same foundations set by their Constitutions then they can. The Constitution is not a Religous Document, it doesn't say that only Citizens of the United States have a right to be free. If they want, ****, go ahead and talk to them about it.

You still have not backed up your statement with proof that the rights in our Constitution are given to us by God. You simply quoted the Decleration of Independence, and it only deals with life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Also, you made it very clear, if it's not the Constitution, it's not a right, yet Miranda rights are not in the Constitution. My point is this, rights are not "God-given", they are "people-given". They were created my people of power to maintain order in their societies, a way of keeping the lawmakers in check.

 

[Morg]

Driving is a privilege. Personally, I think they should increase the driving age to 20. 16 year olds behind the wheel try to go as fast as they can. Stupid teenagers.

Not to mention they got cars full of their friends and chatting on the cell phone, no wonder they don't pay attention. Here in Ohio we had to pass a law to stop teens having car full of friends because too many getting all killed when the idiot driver speeds or do something else and crash

 

[PemLam]

Not to mention they got cars full of their friends and chatting on the cell phone, no wonder they don't pay attention. Here in Ohio we had to pass a law to stop teens having car full of friends because too many getting all killed when the idiot driver speeds or do something else and crash

Arguably one of the few smart decisions Taft made in his tenure. Definitely had an impact in my neck of the woods.

 

[The Spawn]

All I hear are old cranky people arguing over kids behind the wheel.

Mind you, I have not chosen my stance on the matter.

"Right." in my initial post meant "that's the topic, play ball."

I never answer my own polls in the initial post, duh?

I'm playing the fence...going against the majority...throwing things at them.

I have yet to see any good reason for driving to be a privilege instead of a right.

Using a gun is not inborn.

 

[Figs]

All I hear are old cranky people arguing over kids behind the wheel.

Mind you, I have not chosen my stance on the matter.

"Right." in my initial post meant "that's the topic, play ball."

I never answer my own polls in the initial post, duh?

I'm playing the fence...going against the majority...throwing things at them.

I have yet to see any good reason for driving to be a privilege instead of a right.

Using a gun is not inborn.

People who think it's a right are the spoiled and definetly immature morons who are the ones who tend to get into wrecks or at least fool around and not pay attention.
They're the ones who don't think it's a privilege thus...don't take it as serious as others.

I just think it's a load of bull s*** that people out there think getting a license is "owed" to them. By that logic we might as well just stop giving people the drivers course and the test as well. Just once they hit 17/18 hand them that license.

 

[The Spawn]

Do they think it's owed to them because they passed all the requirements set by the government and worked to get it....OR, they were born to get it?

When was the last time you guys felt you were owed something?

 

[Figs]

Do they think it's owed to them because they passed all the requirements set by the government and worked to get it....OR, they were born to get it?

When was the last time you guys felt you were owed something?

I truly believe that a lot of the fools that think it's their right think it's their right because they were born to get it. Like it's just another freedom(which it is technically but one that requires a lot of responsibility).

 

[PemLam]

All I hear are old cranky people arguing over kids behind the wheel.

Mind you, I have not chosen my stance on the matter.

"Right." in my initial post meant "that's the topic, play ball."

I never answer my own polls in the initial post, duh?

I'm playing the fence...going against the majority...throwing things at them.

I have yet to see any good reason for driving to be a privilege instead of a right.

Using a gun is not inborn.

Operating a motorized vehicle on other than private property is a privilege granted by the state and federal government.

No ones right to travel is being denied, thusthe right to travel from one place as described in the 14th Ammendment is not being impeded. It is the method of transit that is being governed. You have the right to travel from one place to another, however it is the government's (federal or state) right to restrict the method you use...in part because they have an obligation to ensure the safety of everyone on public roads and also as the owners of said public roads.

*Public roads is an important designation, because ANYONE can operate a motorized vehicle on their own private property, regardless of whether or not they possess a license.

 

[The Spawn]

So you don't think that when you attain the knowledge to operate an automobile it becomes your right?

Assuming that said knowledge is legit and is later on utilized correctly.

How is driving in Cali around the younger audience? I'm from Jersey.

'Nuff said.

 

[The Spawn]

"*Public roads is an important designation, because ANYONE can operate a motorized vehicle on their own private property, regardless of whether or not they possess a license."


Seriously?

 

[PemLam]

"*Public roads is an important designation, because ANYONE can operate a motorized vehicle on their own private property, regardless of whether or not they possess a license."


Seriously?

Seriously.

 

[Venom 1988]

Arizona will issue you a licence that's good for 30 (no, not a typo thirty) years. Chances are, some people with one will expire before the licence does.

That's simply ridiculous.

Its horrible, you got a lot of dumbass drivers out here in Arizona. It seems like it should be required that you need at least one middle finger to get a license.

 

[wiegeabo]

Driving is a privilege. Personally, I think they should increase the driving age to 20. 16 year olds behind the wheel try to go as fast as they can. Stupid teenagers.

I agree with that idea. Although I was thinking 18 since that's when they 'become' adults. But, either way, I've always wondered how much our insurance rates would drop of teenagers were only allowed permits until 18 (or 20) and had more adult supervision for more years. And how much money taxpayers and insurance companies would save with fewer court cases to deal with.

 

[Figs]

So you don't think that when you attain the knowledge to operate an automobile it becomes your right?

Assuming that said knowledge is legit and is later on utilized correctly.

How is driving in Cali around the younger audience? I'm from Jersey.

'Nuff said.

That's the catch to it all. I guess it can become someones right if they've shown to accept the knowledge and skills to drive safely.

It's just when I think of people who think it should be a right I usually think of immature youngsters since they're the ones who usually don't have a license yet and want one badly.

Even for people to pass all the tests and have all the knowledge and rules of the road I still think although it may have become their right they should treat it like a privilege at all times.

Young drivers around here aren't too bad, I'm from the Bay Area. It's more of another 'type' of person that has me worried about being behind the wheel since too many accidents I've seen and/or heard about have involved them...and no it's not female drivers or Asians.

 

[Hotwire]

Call it a right, call it a privilege, as long as it can be taken away from those who abuse it, I'm fine.

 

[X-Chick]

Using a gun is not inborn.

And is only a "right" according to this country. It's not an innate human right.

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

Driving is a privilege. People do not die so you can drive.

 

[The Spawn]

You didn't say there was a difference among rights before...

 

[X-Chick]

You didn't say there was a difference among rights before...

No and I still haven't.

Most of the reasoning here is ridiculous though. Seriously, it's not a right just because people don't know how? That's weak and illogical. Babies don't know how to walk but it doesn't mean that it shouldn't be their right to do so.

 

[X-Chick]

95% of the *******s out on the road don't need to be there. Talking on the cell and driving is not the best thing, shouldn't happen but it does. Texting while driving = you should be flogged. Anyone driving a crotch-rocket without a helmet is an automatic organ donor.

I frequently text while driving. It doesn't mean I'm a bad driver, just that I have the ability to multi-task and can send a text message without taking my eyes off the road.

And why does your statement apply only to sport bikes and not choppers?